Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Bombadil]

Well the people should think this out more. A statue of Lee really doesn't have a place in the city now. Especially with the issues of today. Now you could argue there is a place for them on the battlefields today.

You don't have to worry about Washington until they remove him from the Dollar and Mount Rushmore.

Why not? He was a great general, politician, and he knew when the game was up. He was never a white supremacist. He served the US well in the Mexican war but his loyalty to his home state was stronger than his loyalty to the federal government.

Yes, he owned slaves. So did Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc. Why do they have a place anymore? Why is the Washington Monument still standing? It is, after all, 2017. Washington died in 1799. Indeed, in our current society, should we really be glorifying a straight white male who served in the army, married and had children, and served selflessly in high political office?

This kind of logic is silly. Lee will always have a place simply because his place in Southern history is monumental.

It's not about who owned or who did not own slaves, it is about who fought a war to maintain slavery. Even if he didn't believe in slavery he still fought on the side that aimed to maintain it. That should not be commemorated.

[Republic of the Cristo]

George Washington was a traitor to his country too...

Yes he was, which is why I would have no issue with GB removing any and all statues of him on public lands.

And Robert E lee didn't fight to protect slavery either.

Even if that where the case he supported the side which was trying to maintain that institution.

Good news for you, there probably are none. You see, statues of men tend to be built in their native lands - like Virginia for example. Though defeated, Dixie culture was not destroyed, and in turn they chose to commemorate those who fought on their behalf. By suggesting that we suppress the free expression of this culture's hero admiration, you in turn support the suppression of an entire segment of America because of their past.

So? The Union maintained slavery throughout the entire war. You could just as readily condemn any Union general for also supporting a side which maintained slavery - Heck, Ulysses S. Grant actually did own slaves. Should we tear down all of his statues?

[Greed and Death]

Reports are filtering in that the driver of the car is an anti Trumper.

If this is from Alex Jones harping on about it being a false flag, stop right there.

It appears so as the suspect name has changed.

[The Black Forrest]

Well the people should think this out more. A statue of Lee really doesn't have a place in the city now. Especially with the issues of today. Now you could argue there is a place for them on the battlefields today.

You don't have to worry about Washington until they remove him from the Dollar and Mount Rushmore.

Slavery and Racism has existed under the stars and stripes FAR longer than the confederacy had even existed.

Irrelevant. The North was phasing it out. Especially with the industrial revolution.

There is more slave blood under the Union than the south alone could dream of.

Misleading. The South added to those numbers during the time.

When you have people burning american flags, saying things like fuck the founding fathers cause they owned slaves etc etc it is degrading the fabric of the nation.

People have a right to say that. Personally, I view it as simplistic as I don't judge the past with modern morals. They were of their time and if we were living it, there is a chance we would have thought slavery was a necessity and a part of life.

was it okay they had slaves? no it wasn't, but that dosn't destroy their core ideas for our nation.

Removal of statues from public areas? I am ok with that. Now you want to remove them from the history books or rewrite them to be great guys? We will have an argument....

[Kash Island]

Slavery and Racism has existed under the stars and stripes FAR longer than the confederacy had even existed.

There is more slave blood under the Union than the south alone could dream of.

When you have people burning american flags, saying things like fuck the founding fathers cause they owned slaves etc etc it is degrading the fabric of the nation.

was it okay they had slaves? no it wasn't, but that dosn't destroy their core ideas for our nation.

Yea, slavery did exist in the Union on all sides. Doesn't change the fact that the South threw a fit when they (incorrectly) assumed Lincoln was a no-good slave-grabber, and that the people who fought on their side don't deserve public commendation in the form of statues. That's reserved for real heroes, not people who defended their state's right to defend slavery and not pay the Feds. They at most deserve a nice commemorative plaque with no punches pulled on what they did.

Most of the racism and slave blood comes from the South... a plantation-based economy tends to do that. Slavery was much less common around the rest of the Union, to the point of it mostly being outlawed everywhere else.

Okay, and? They're peacefully protesting, as is written in the fabric of the nation...

It just points out some hypocrisy of the founding fathers that they themselves were acutely aware of. It was just easier for the young nation to keep the peculiar institution rather than risk a silly civil war.

It will never be enough, they will never be satisfied.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Imagine a Neo-Nazi produced cartoon were the main characters are all normie memes, and they have regular guest stars who are either prominent youtubers or real life political actors. It's freaking hilarious. I would check it out.

Youtube got rid of it already. Things like that aren't really that funny when you think about it long and hard enough. No sir. Nothing funny about Nazi shit.

They still get videos out ( people copying and reposting for them ). I happen to think it is hilarious. Comedy is something universal, regardless of the topic or in this case the ideology.

[Olerand]

Wait they did wut?!

TIKI Torches no less.

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

[Neutraligon]

One that still makes no sense. We hold free speech as important, yes. I am sure there are institutions of your own government you hold as important.

Not that important.

Considering that the freedom to speak your mind is pretty damn important, and one of the first things places like dictatorships try to prevent I would claim it is rather important.

[Republic of the Cristo]

TIKI Torches no less.

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

Did... did you just assume their genders?

[Olerand]

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

Did... did you just assume their genders?

In French, we only have two genders. And I highly doubt any of these particular gentlemen identify as transgender.

[Bombadil]

TIKI Torches no less.

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

What's odd is take a look at the image in this video.. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... test-group

It's the same people at almost the same time from a slightly different angle from your image - were they facing a bunch of media?

[Genivaria]

TIKI Torches no less.

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

A manly gay retreat.

[Olerand]

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

What's odd is take a look at the image in this video.. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... test-group

It's the same people at almost the same time from a slightly different angle from your image - were they facing a bunch of media?

There was probably quite a lot of media coverage yes.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Did... did you just assume their genders?

In French, we only have two genders. And I highly doubt any of these particular gentlemen identify as transgender.

* buffering screen... comes online * I'm sorry... the French * spits into dirt * only recognize two genders? * voice raises with curiosity *

[Olerand]

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

A manly gay retreat.

Well... Not that manly.

[The Conez Imperium]

Honestly, change the building in the background and add a picture of the ocean, and you would have a company outing and team building exercise in Hawaii.

Except this company has a suspicious lack of non-whites and women, but still.

A manly gay retreat.

I honestly don't understand the torches??? Is this some mystical rally. Are they trying to make easy comparisons.

[Arumbia67]

This is what we have a national guard for. Call them out Governor. They're better trained for situations like this than beat cops.

[Qashistan]

A manly gay retreat.

Well... Not that manly.

I'd consider some of those so-called militia members to be pretty damn masculine. Others are fatasses. You really run the whole gamut with this type of thing, just like on the other side you had pink-haired weirdos and skinny numales with goggles.

[Olerand]

In French, we only have two genders. And I highly doubt any of these particular gentlemen identify as transgender.

* buffering screen... comes online * I'm sorry... the French * spits into dirt * only recognize two genders? * voice raises with curiosity *

The French language has il ou elle, feminin ou masculin. It is a Romance language. Everything has one of two genders. The table and chair are feminine, the bed masculine. The president is masculine, the State is masculine, the Nation is feminine, the Army is feminine.

The Fatherland is feminine.

Thus, so are people. Man or woman.

[Valrifell]

A manly gay retreat.

I honestly don't understand the torches??? Is this some mystical rally. Are they trying to make easy comparisons.

Fire is intimidating. Plus, Frank was having a luau next weekend so he decided to kill two birds with one stone.

At least, that's my headcanon and you can't prove that's not what happened!

[Republic of the Cristo]

A manly gay retreat.

I honestly don't understand the torches??? Is this some mystical rally. Are they trying to make easy comparisons.

I don't even know at this point * pinches bridge of nose in annoyance with his own side of the spectrum *

[Olerand]

Well... Not that manly.

I'd consider some of those so-called militia members to be pretty damn masculine. Others are fatasses. You really run the whole gamut with this type of thing, just like on the other side you had pink-haired weirdos and skinny numales with goggles.

I don't see those militia members in that particular photo. No one in that photo is... stereotypically "masculine" to me.

[Bombadil]

A manly gay retreat.

I honestly don't understand the torches??? Is this some mystical rally. Are they trying to make easy comparisons.

You don't understand the significance of bearing torches at a racist rally in the South?

[Republic of the Cristo]

* buffering screen... comes online * I'm sorry... the French * spits into dirt * only recognize two genders? * voice raises with curiosity *

The French language has il ou elle, feminin ou masculin. It is a Romance language. Everything has one of two genders. The table and chair are feminine, the bed masculine. The president is masculine, the State is masculine, the Nation is feminine, the Army is feminine.

The Fatherland is feminine.

Thus, so are people. Man or woman.

* light bulb literally lights up above head * That's... that's beautiful! Why didn't I think of that before?! Spain here I come!

[Qashistan]

I'd consider some of those so-called militia members to be pretty damn masculine. Others are fatasses. You really run the whole gamut with this type of thing, just like on the other side you had pink-haired weirdos and skinny numales with goggles.

I don't see those militia members in that particular photo. No one in that photo is... stereotypically "masculine" to me.

I agree, they appear skinny.

I honestly don't understand the torches??? Is this some mystical rally. Are they trying to make easy comparisons.

You don't understand the significance of bearing torches at a racist rally in the South?

I think they're trying to go with a medieval or Celtic vibe. That's why the ADL cultural Marxists have labeled the Celtic cross a hate symbol.