Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Kash Island]

How is a removal of a statue revision of history?

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

Even history has to walk on eggshells nowadays. It's pathetic.

I agree

they get an inch they will take a mile or even two.

[Republic of the Cristo]

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

Even history has to walk on eggshells nowadays. It's pathetic.

I agree

they get an inch they will take a mile or even two.

Well said

[The Empire of Pretantia]

How is a removal of a statue revision of history?

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

They're removing them because they were traitors to their country.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

George Washington didn't start a civil war to preserve the institution.

[Lord of The Rings]

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

Ah yes. The classic "Americans are idiots for upholding their constitutional rights."

Might as well make fun of Americans for being "uncultured" and "disgusting"

And then cry when something happens to you and you need our help. Yup. describes the last 200 years, with the last part being relevant for about 100 years or so.

Well, you always have the redneck culture...

And helping? I'd rather avoid ending up like Iraq.

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

Given that there are many atheists who support the first amendment your comment makes no sense.

What exactly does religion have to do with free speech?

[Neutraligon]

Ah yes. The classic "Americans are idiots for upholding their constitutional rights."

Might as well make fun of Americans for being "uncultured" and "disgusting"

And then cry when something happens to you and you need our help. Yup. describes the last 200 years, with the last part being relevant for about 100 years or so.

Well, you always have the redneck culture...

And helping? I'd rather avoid ending up like Iraq.

Given that there are many atheists who support the first amendment your comment makes no sense.

What exactly does religion have to do with free speech?

I did not say anything about religion I said something about atheism, in which people do not believe in a god and so cannot think they have god given rights.

[Bombadil]

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

Even history has to walk on eggshells nowadays. It's pathetic.

I agree

they get an inch they will take a mile or even two.

Sure, all those history students and professors who are marching against this.. oh wait, it's not an issue of history revisionism but about not commemorating someone who fought a war to keep a people subjugated in slavery.. as shown by the type of people protesting its takedown.

[Republic of the Cristo]

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

They're removing them because they were traitors to their country.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

George Washington didn't start a civil war to preserve the institution.

George Washington was a traitor to his country too...

And Robert E lee didn't fight to protect slavery either.

Also, that's not the reason why they want the statues removed.

[Kash Island]

I agree

they get an inch they will take a mile or even two.

Sure, all those history students and professors who are marching against this.. oh wait, it's not an issue of history revisionism but about not commemorating someone who fought a war to keep a people subjugated in slavery.. as shown by the type of people protesting its takedown.

the problem is that it is RADICAL

you honestly believe it's going to stop at confederate monuments?

[Qashistan]

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

They're removing them because they were traitors to their country.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

George Washington didn't start a civil war to preserve the institution.

Of course they were traitors. I have no sympathy for the Confederacy or the Lost Cause and my direct ancestors fought for the Union. But I don't burst into tears and cry for my mommy when I see a Confederate statue.

[Buffoonland]

In their defense, it's not like they sell medieval-style torches everywhere.

Anyone else notice the guy wearing a Murdoch Murdoch shirt in the background? Does anyone else watch that by any chance? I'm not a neo-Nazi but I do find it very clever and funny.

Is it about Hipster Hitlerians?

[The Black Forrest]

How is a removal of a statue revision of history?

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

Even history has to walk on eggshells nowadays. It's pathetic.

Well the people should think this out more. A statue of Lee really doesn't have a place in the city now. Especially with the issues of today. Now you could argue there is a place for them on the battlefields today.

You don't have to worry about Washington until they remove him from the Dollar and Mount Rushmore.

[Baalkistann]

So all Trump Supporters are White Supremacists?

Good to know.

[Lord of The Rings]

Well, you always have the redneck culture...

And helping? I'd rather avoid ending up like Iraq.



What exactly does religion have to do with free speech?

I did not say anything about religion I said something about atheism, in which people do not believe in a god and so cannot think they have god given rights.

Oh god... That was just a figure of speech...

[Neutraligon]

They're removing them because they were traitors to their country.

George Washington didn't start a civil war to preserve the institution.

George Washington was a traitor to his country too...

Yes he was, which is why I would have no issue with GB removing any and all statues of him on public lands.

And Robert E lee didn't fight to protect slavery either.

Even if that where the case he supported the side which was trying to maintain that institution.

[The Black Forrest]

I agree

they get an inch they will take a mile or even two.

Well said

Eh? Not really.

[Buffoonland]

So all Trump Supporters are White Supremacists?

Good to know.

Good for nothings, the lot. Whoever they support.

[Neutraligon]

I did not say anything about religion I said something about atheism, in which people do not believe in a god and so cannot think they have god given rights.

Oh god... That was just a figure of speech...

One that still makes no sense. We hold free speech as important, yes. I am sure there are institutions of your own government you hold as important.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Anyone else notice the guy wearing a Murdoch Murdoch shirt in the background? Does anyone else watch that by any chance? I'm not a neo-Nazi but I do find it very clever and funny.

Is it about Hipster Hitlerians?

Imagine a Neo-Nazi produced cartoon were the main characters are all normie memes, and they have regular guest stars who are either prominent youtubers or real life political actors. It's freaking hilarious. I would check it out.

[Kash Island]

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

Even history has to walk on eggshells nowadays. It's pathetic.

Well the people should think this out more. A statue of Lee really doesn't have a place in the city now. Especially with the issues of today. Now you could argue there is a place for them on the battlefields today.

You don't have to worry about Washington until they remove him from the Dollar and Mount Rushmore.

Slavery and Racism has existed under the stars and stripes FAR longer than the confederacy had even existed.

There is more slave blood under the Union than the south alone could dream of.

When you have people burning american flags, saying things like fuck the founding fathers cause they owned slaves etc etc it is degrading the fabric of the nation.

was it okay they had slaves? no it wasn't, but that dosn't destroy their core ideas for our nation.

[The Black Forrest]

So all Trump Supporters are White Supremacists?

Good to know.

*buzzer sound*

Ok. Who has sweeping generalizations?

[Qashistan]

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

Even history has to walk on eggshells nowadays. It's pathetic.

Well the people should think this out more. A statue of Lee really doesn't have a place in the city now. Especially with the issues of today. Now you could argue there is a place for them on the battlefields today.

You don't have to worry about Washington until they remove him from the Dollar and Mount Rushmore.

Why not? He was a great general, politician, and he knew when the game was up. He was never a white supremacist. He served the US well in the Mexican war but his loyalty to his home state was stronger than his loyalty to the federal government.

Yes, he owned slaves. So did Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc. Why do they have a place anymore? Why is the Washington Monument still standing? It is, after all, 2017. Washington died in 1799. Indeed, in our current society, should we really be glorifying a straight white male who served in the army, married and had children, and served selflessly in high political office?

This kind of logic is silly. Lee will always have a place simply because his place in Southern history is monumental.

[Unified Heartless States]

Well the people should think this out more. A statue of Lee really doesn't have a place in the city now. Especially with the issues of today. Now you could argue there is a place for them on the battlefields today.

You don't have to worry about Washington until they remove him from the Dollar and Mount Rushmore.

Why not? He was a great general, politician, and he knew when the game was up. He was never a white supremacist. He served the US well in the Mexican war but his loyalty to his home state was stronger than his loyalty to the federal government.

Yes, he owned slaves. So did Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc. Why do they have a place anymore? Why is the Washington Monument still standing? It is, after all, 2017. Washington died in 1799. Indeed, in our current society, should we really be glorifying a straight white male who served in the army, married and had children, and served selflessly in high political office?

This kind of logic is silly. Lee will always have a place simply because his place in Southern history is monumental.

Might be better to just move the statue somewhere else. Plenty of parks in America, I'm sure someone will accept it.

[Lord of The Rings]

Oh god... That was just a figure of speech...

One that still makes no sense. We hold free speech as important, yes. I am sure there are institutions of your own government you hold as important.

Not that important.

[Buffoonland]

Is it about Hipster Hitlerians?

Imagine a Neo-Nazi produced cartoon were the main characters are all normie memes, and they have regular guest stars who are either prominent youtubers or real life political actors. It's freaking hilarious. I would check it out.

Youtube got rid of it already. Things like that aren't really that funny when you think about it long and hard enough. No sir. Nothing funny about Nazi shit.

[Valrifell]

Well the people should think this out more. A statue of Lee really doesn't have a place in the city now. Especially with the issues of today. Now you could argue there is a place for them on the battlefields today.

You don't have to worry about Washington until they remove him from the Dollar and Mount Rushmore.

Slavery and Racism has existed under the stars and stripes FAR longer than the confederacy had even existed.

There is more slave blood under the Union than the south alone could dream of.

When you have people burning american flags, saying things like fuck the founding fathers cause they owned slaves etc etc it is degrading the fabric of the nation.

was it okay they had slaves? no it wasn't, but that dosn't destroy their core ideas for our nation.

Yea, slavery did exist in the Union on all sides. Doesn't change the fact that the South threw a fit when they (incorrectly) assumed Lincoln was a no-good slave-grabber, and that the people who fought on their side don't deserve public commendation in the form of statues. That's reserved for real heroes, not people who defended their state's right to defend slavery and not pay the Feds. They at most deserve a nice commemorative plaque with no punches pulled on what they did.

Most of the racism and slave blood comes from the South... a plantation-based economy tends to do that. Slavery was much less common around the rest of the Union, to the point of it mostly being outlawed everywhere else.

Okay, and? They're peacefully protesting, as is written in the fabric of the nation...

It just points out some hypocrisy of the founding fathers that they themselves were acutely aware of. It was just easier for the young nation to keep the peculiar institution rather than risk a silly civil war.