Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Kash Island]

Speaking more on the protests rather than the terrorist attack - and then only for the non-racialist group, we on the right should not show up to protests with shields or pepper spray or any other kind of weaponry. If we are to maintain a morally superior position, one which maintains collective wellbeing and order over nihilistic individualism and anarchy, we must set the example of proper behavior and civil disagreement.

I mean, we have been vastly peaceful most of the time. I can't remember the last time I have heard of right-wingers in America showing up with weapons with the intent to hurt others. Even the militia members with AR-15's were not really violent(in fact quite the opposite in most cases)

You don't really see a right-wing version of antifa in any real capacity.

[Sriker]

I don't know about pinning but they are in his support base. David Duke was there stirring crap and talking about Trump.



Did you miss his campaign. He spoke of violence against protesters and offered to pay legal bills.

He has greatly contributed to the feeling it's ok to do what they are doing.



Ok. One versus how many in Chancellorsville? Has the media tried to pin that jackass from Ohio on Trump?



It is a big deal. Why does the KKK and the Neo nazi's get a pass? Why is wrong to declare the white racists are wrong?

His comments were avoidance of that as they are part of his base.

the KKK and Neo-Nazi's don't get passes....this isn't the civil rights era...

Haha good one wait your not joking boi look at police on May Day they beat people down

[Kash Island]

the KKK and Neo-Nazi's don't get passes....this isn't the civil rights era...

Trump is effectively giving them a pass here.

does that mean Obama gave islamic terrorists a pass?

[Litorea]

And how do you intend on converting neo-Nazis while steadfastly refusing to give any ground at all? You can't. You convince people by making concessions and giving ground in a tactical way that allows you to maintain the key parts of your policy. I would wager my life savings that with the exception of the die-hard core members, a good deal of neo-Nazis would start moving out of the movement if concessions on, say, free trade were made.

After all, 90% of politics is fundamentally economics, and it's hard to hate immigrants for stealing your job if you actually, well, have a job.

Being racist is not a logical matter, beyond the fact that the overall alt-right movement has been co-opted by powerful interests to push an agenda - there is a very broad coalition of the racist, alt-right, libertarians and the message has very powerful backers, even if those backers aren't specifically one of the other - broadly its an anti-government movement funded by the very rich.

Immigration is a wedge issue that allies support for a broader program.

Sure, racism isn't a logical train of thought, and I won't deny that a significant portion of the alt-right does hold racist sentiments. However, people don't simply join movements on the basis of a single issue, unless they form part of the absolute die-hard core of that movement and wouldn't defect anyway. People join any radical movement - whether that's Antifa or the alt-right - because of an immense amount of grievances regarding the current national, or international, policy and a feeling that conventional parties or methods would do nothing to assuage those grievances.

Let's take "globalism", for instance - a lot of complaints about it from the alt-right relate to its economic facets, like outsourcing or free trade or the cheapening of labor. One concern cited by a good amount of alt-righters in 2016 was that illegal Mexican labor was cheapening native US labor and forcing Americans to accept lower-pay and lower-quality work, if any at all. Now, of course, this isn't all due to immigration, but it's fundamentally a valid and real concern and it should be taken seriously. If that was assuaged, and if some of those other concerns were assuaged, then there would certainly be much less fervor in the alt-right and in white supremacist circles and, if people wouldn't start to lose interest, their activities would at least be less violent and less confrontational. The same approach should be used towards Antifa.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Speaking more on the protests rather than the terrorist attack - and then only for the non-racialist group, we on the right should not show up to protests with shields or pepper spray or any other kind of weaponry. If we are to maintain a morally superior position, one which maintains collective wellbeing and order over nihilistic individualism and anarchy, we must set the example of proper behavior and civil disagreement.

A night march with torches does't help their cause either.

Wait they did wut?!

[Neutraligon]

My possible god your dumb it was a joke

Casually insulting people is not a good start here.

Especially given I said "more seriously"...which kinda suggests I was going with the joke.

[Qashistan]

While I believe that the statue of Robert E. Lee should be kept in place, and that the marchers have a good point in protesting what they call the "revision of history", the man driving the car is a terrorist and he committed a terrorist attack that should be viewed with as much revulsion as if it had been a Muslim behind the wheel.

[Genivaria]

Trump is effectively giving them a pass here.

does that mean Obama gave islamic terrorists a pass?

Considering all those air-strikes I'm sure the planes took multiple passes.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Speaking more on the protests rather than the terrorist attack - and then only for the non-racialist group, we on the right should not show up to protests with shields or pepper spray or any other kind of weaponry. If we are to maintain a morally superior position, one which maintains collective wellbeing and order over nihilistic individualism and anarchy, we must set the example of proper behavior and civil disagreement.

I mean, we have been vastly peaceful most of the time. I can't remember the last time I have heard of right-wingers in America showing up with weapons with the intent to hurt others. Even the militia members with AR-15's were not really violent(in fact quite the opposite in most cases)

You don't really see a right-wing version of antifa in any real capacity.

I know, but when big events like this get reported by the media ( Berkley for example ), a couple of idiots on our side usually get a lot of publicity - and the media will often equate them to ANTIFA, which isn't a proportionate representation at all. We just need to weed those idiots out.

[The Black Forrest]

Trump is effectively giving them a pass here.

does that mean Obama gave islamic terrorists a pass?

Relevance?

I should point out he was criticized for not using the phrase Radical Islamic terrorism and I wonder if those people are defending Trump for his lack of accusations.

It would be refreshing to have an argument that didn't center on but Obama or but Hillary.

[Balkenreich II]

does that mean Obama gave islamic terrorists a pass?

Considering all those air-strikes I'm sure the planes took multiple passes.

that depends, what did they drop?

[The Black Forrest]

While I believe that the statue of Robert E. Lee should be kept in place, and that the marchers have a good point in protesting what they call the "revision of history", the man driving the car is a terrorist and he committed a terrorist attack that should be viewed with as much revulsion as if it had been a Muslim behind the wheel.

How is a removal of a statue revision of history?

[Qashistan]

Considering all those air-strikes I'm sure the planes took multiple passes.

that depends, what did they drop?

Guided missiles and precision bombs.

[Unified Heartless States]

That said, what are you thoughts on this issue, NSG? Should this be considered a terrorist attack? What does this say about our history of racism and our growing diversity? And how do we deal with the threat of violence from both sides of the issue?

I just got back from the UTR riots a few hours ago and I don't at all care.
They literally deserved it, both sides came in for the specific purpose of doing harm to the other.
Saw a man try to stake another man like a vampire, people openly tossed makeshift teargas grenades and sharpened strikes.

USA now has communist and nazi openly fighting in the streets, fantastic.
Both groups are pathetic losers fighting each other for the right to oppress everyone else.

The more that die, the better.

[Genivaria]

A night march with torches does't help their cause either.

Wait they did wut?!

TIKI Torches no less.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump is effectively giving them a pass here.

does that mean Obama gave islamic terrorists a pass?

No.

Speaking more on the protests rather than the terrorist attack - and then only for the non-racialist group, we on the right should not show up to protests with shields or pepper spray or any other kind of weaponry. If we are to maintain a morally superior position, one which maintains collective wellbeing and order over nihilistic individualism and anarchy, we must set the example of proper behavior and civil disagreement.

I mean, we have been vastly peaceful most of the time. I can't remember the last time I have heard of right-wingers in America showing up with weapons with the intent to hurt others. Even the militia members with AR-15's were not really violent(in fact quite the opposite in most cases)

You don't really see a right-wing version of antifa in any real capacity.

What about the guy who hit two people with a machete?

[Kash Island]

I mean, we have been vastly peaceful most of the time. I can't remember the last time I have heard of right-wingers in America showing up with weapons with the intent to hurt others. Even the militia members with AR-15's were not really violent(in fact quite the opposite in most cases)

You don't really see a right-wing version of antifa in any real capacity.

I know, but when big events like this get reported by the media ( Berkley for example ), a couple of idiots on our side usually get a lot of publicity - and the media will often equate them to ANTIFA, which isn't a proportionate representation at all. We just need to weed those idiots out.

it has a lot to do with the two partys

everyone is more or less pushed into two tents, democrat vs republican

so, everyone shuffles into those groups

(Communists, Socialists, Left of centre) vs (neo-nazi, fascist, right of centre)

so that's why you got libertarians going " WTF?!?!?!" when they see a KKK member in the GOP.

this applies to the democrat party as well.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Wait they did wut?!

TIKI Torches no less.

... Gosh dang it.

Edit: They're not even proper torches!

[Kash Island]

does that mean Obama gave islamic terrorists a pass?

No.

I mean, we have been vastly peaceful most of the time. I can't remember the last time I have heard of right-wingers in America showing up with weapons with the intent to hurt others. Even the militia members with AR-15's were not really violent(in fact quite the opposite in most cases)

You don't really see a right-wing version of antifa in any real capacity.

What about the guy who hit two people with a machete?

what about the machete attack?

[Balkenreich II]

that depends, what did they drop?

Guided missiles and precision bombs.

how much on hardpoints?

[The Black Forrest]

A night march with torches does't help their cause either.

Wait they did wut?!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/torch-carry ... -of-rally/

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Wait they did wut?!

TIKI Torches no less.

In their defense, it's not like they sell medieval-style torches everywhere.

[Balkenreich II]

TIKI Torches no less.

In their defense, it's not like they sell medieval-style torches everywhere.

ah...

i'd like to see a march like that, like a river of fire going down the street.

[Qashistan]

While I believe that the statue of Robert E. Lee should be kept in place, and that the marchers have a good point in protesting what they call the "revision of history", the man driving the car is a terrorist and he committed a terrorist attack that should be viewed with as much revulsion as if it had been a Muslim behind the wheel.

How is a removal of a statue revision of history?

The recent spate of removals of Confederate statues so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of black people with the images of 19th-century Southern statesmen and soldiers.

George Washington owned slaves, too. Next they will be crying to remove his portrait from schools.

Even history has to walk on eggshells nowadays. It's pathetic.

[Republic of the Cristo]

TIKI Torches no less.

In their defense, it's not like they sell medieval-style torches everywhere.

Anyone else notice the guy wearing a Murdoch Murdoch shirt in the background? Does anyone else watch that by any chance? I'm not a neo-Nazi but I do find it very clever and funny.