Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Valrifell]

I see no way out of it, action creates reaction and it will all intensify on both sides in one way or another. The vast increase in information sources means it cannot be shut down, or no unifying message can be held against it.

Bringing facts to a culture war is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

to the bolded, yes definatley.

Antifa and groups like them(to an extent the democrat campaign as well) have created an enviroment where white people are subject to intense scrutiny and called "racist" or "xenophobe" for silly shit. Not to mention antifa thinks anyone not like them is basically hitler.

Naturally it will drive people to the other extreme, white supremacy.

So when someone calls you a racist the logical and rational thing to do is prove them right? When people haggle you you're justified to ram a car through them?

[Sriker]

Yes (throws an communist manifesto book at him)

Allow me to retaliate. *throws The Wealth of Nations at you*

Ah that was annoying but thanks for this I'll go burn it

[Olerand]

Your Founding Fathers gave the right to vote solely to landed white men. That's just history. Talking about what "America stands for"... Is... Not something that will end well.

*shrugs* that was then. Times change and people change. Is the US perfect? hardly. I am sure we can find bullshit your countries history.

Let's stay focused on current events.

The whole point of this discussion is me arguing that this event is fueled by the south not having been dealt with correctly after the war.

Someone else said that too much cruelty to the south would have been anti-American, and I simply corrected them. The main point stands, the south should have been more harshly punished.

And you certainly can dig into France's history and find plenty of terrible shit. Who would deny it? Being French has nothing to do with kindness or gentleness or whatever.

[Balkenreich II]

Tem save me

Lil tem tem can't save you now (throws another communist manifesto at him)

Tem is the CLONE OF OTTO SKORZENY.

[Litorea]

I see no way out of it, action creates reaction and it will all intensify on both sides in one way or another. The vast increase in information sources means it cannot be shut down, or no unifying message can be held against it.

Bringing facts to a culture war is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

to the bolded, yes definatley.

Antifa and groups like them(to an extent the democrat campaign as well) have created an enviroment where white people are subject to intense scrutiny and called "racist" or "xenophobe" for silly shit. Not to mention antifa thinks anyone not like them is basically hitler.

Naturally it will drive people to the other extreme, white supremacy.

That's a valid point, but it dismisses the fears of Antifa members and BLM members and the like, which are real and very valid and just as valid as the concerns driving white nationalists, and it ignores the fact that American national socialists and the like have existed for far longer and for a long time had far more members than either movement.

It's best not to discuss who threw the first punch, because tracing the roots of who provoked whom back can take you all the way back to Trayvon Martin or Ferguson, Missouri or the beginnings of modern social justice or even back centuries. What matters fundamentally is assuaging the concerns of both sides and attempting to reestablish national unity.

[Bombadil]

to the bolded, yes definatley.

Antifa and groups like them(to an extent the democrat campaign as well) have created an enviroment where white people are subject to intense scrutiny and called "racist" or "xenophobe" for silly shit. Not to mention antifa thinks anyone not like them is basically hitler.

Naturally it will drive people to the other extreme, white supremacy.

Well.. girls in short skirts.. the fact is that to believe in supremacy based on skin colour is categorically wrong and harmful, the blame sits squarely on those who support it. Antifa and groups like them didn't 'create an environment', they're a reaction.

[Genivaria]

You shall be brought around to the CORRECT way of thinking Comrade.

pls no

You are obviously a filthy spy!
A true Comrade would LOVE the whip.
I have no idea where I'm going with this.

[Kash Island]

to the bolded, yes definatley.

Antifa and groups like them(to an extent the democrat campaign as well) have created an enviroment where white people are subject to intense scrutiny and called "racist" or "xenophobe" for silly shit. Not to mention antifa thinks anyone not like them is basically hitler.

Naturally it will drive people to the other extreme, white supremacy.

So when someone calls you a racist the logical and rational thing to do is prove them right? When people haggle you you're justified to ram a car through them?

I didn't justify anything, left or right wing this violence is disgusting because it's a phyiscal action.

I could care less if someone is a communist or fascist as long as they are peaceful. But when tensions rise people on both sides are bound to do violent things.

we still have some unknowns as well.

[Proctopeo]

Allow me to retaliate. *throws The Wealth of Nations at you*

Adam Smith was not as you seem to think. He said that regulation in favor of the worker was "always justified" if I remember correctly.

Still a proper capitalist retaliation.
I could've thrown Atlas Shrugged, but I'm not crazy.

Allow me to retaliate. *throws The Wealth of Nations at you*

Ah that was annoying but thanks for this I'll go burn it

Why burn a book you disagree with? The Communist Manifesto is useful for propping up my coffee table, for instance.

[Balkenreich II]

pls no

You are obviously a filthy spy!
A true Comrade would LOVE the whip.
I have no idea where I'm going with this.

>Whipping.

Im too kinky to torture.

[Sriker]

Lil tem tem can't save you now (throws another communist manifesto at him)

Tem is the CLONE OF OTTO SKORZENY.

Shut up and taste it (throws conquest of bread at him and communist manifesto)

[Kash Island]

to the bolded, yes definatley.

Antifa and groups like them(to an extent the democrat campaign as well) have created an enviroment where white people are subject to intense scrutiny and called "racist" or "xenophobe" for silly shit. Not to mention antifa thinks anyone not like them is basically hitler.

Naturally it will drive people to the other extreme, white supremacy.

That's a valid point, but it dismisses the fears of Antifa members and BLM members and the like, which are real and very valid and just as valid as the concerns driving white nationalists, and it ignores the fact that American national socialists and the like have existed for far longer and for a long time had far more members than either movement.

It's best not to discuss who threw the first punch, because tracing the roots of who provoked whom back can take you all the way back to Trayvon Martin or Ferguson, Missouri or the beginnings of modern social justice or even back centuries. What matters fundamentally is assuaging the concerns of both sides and attempting to reestablish national unity.

I agree we can't trace the roots, I would say white racists were definatley a big problem during the civil rights movement, but these days the left-wing "coalitions" of radical socialists, black seperatists etc etc are todays.

Honestly, how many left-wing rallys in the past year have been crashed and assaulted by right-wing ones? Not many at all.

[The East Marches II]

Its almost like I mentioned two regions instead of countries :^)



Of course and just incase your education fails, the law will be there to deal with me incase I still have the wrong opinion.

110% American

Feels good to be a gangster

[Sriker]

Adam Smith was not as you seem to think. He said that regulation in favor of the worker was "always justified" if I remember correctly.

Still a proper capitalist retaliation.
I could've thrown Atlas Shrugged, but I'm not crazy.

Ah that was annoying but thanks for this I'll go burn it

Why burn a book you disagree with? The Communist Manifesto is useful for propping up my coffee table, for instance.

Had one all ready I really have one I just found it in the garage

[The East Marches II]

Lil tem tem can't save you now (throws another communist manifesto at him)

Tem is the CLONE OF OTTO SKORZENY.

This is a lie spread by the Germans. Do not believe his lies.

[Proctopeo]

Still a proper capitalist retaliation.
I could've thrown Atlas Shrugged, but I'm not crazy.


Why burn a book you disagree with? The Communist Manifesto is useful for propping up my coffee table, for instance.

Had one all ready I really have one I just found it in the garage

Then sell-
oh

[Valrifell]

to the bolded, yes definatley.

Antifa and groups like them(to an extent the democrat campaign as well) have created an enviroment where white people are subject to intense scrutiny and called "racist" or "xenophobe" for silly shit. Not to mention antifa thinks anyone not like them is basically hitler.

Naturally it will drive people to the other extreme, white supremacy.

What matters fundamentally is assuaging the concerns of both sides and attempting to reestablish national unity.

Fuck that. The only way you can assuage the concerns of neo-Nazis is to either convert them away from neo-Naziism or get rid of the non-white folk. They're going to be concerned up until that point.

Also, the white folk definitely threw the first punch. Not like it matters, but let's not even pretend for a moment that neo-Nazis can or should be framed as the victims in anything.

So when someone calls you a racist the logical and rational thing to do is prove them right? When people haggle you you're justified to ram a car through them?

I didn't justify anything, left or right wing this violence is disgusting because it's a phyiscal action.

I could care less if someone is a communist or fascist as long as they are peaceful. But when tensions rise people on both sides are bound to do violent things.

we still have some unknowns as well.

It's a bit disingenuous to frame this as a both sides thing. Yes, both sides are capable of violence, but neo-nazi groups have more numbers and a longer history in the states.

[Olerand]

That's a valid point, but it dismisses the fears of Antifa members and BLM members and the like, which are real and very valid and just as valid as the concerns driving white nationalists, and it ignores the fact that American national socialists and the like have existed for far longer and for a long time had far more members than either movement.

It's best not to discuss who threw the first punch, because tracing the roots of who provoked whom back can take you all the way back to Trayvon Martin or Ferguson, Missouri or the beginnings of modern social justice or even back centuries. What matters fundamentally is assuaging the concerns of both sides and attempting to reestablish national unity.

I agree we can't trace the roots, I would say white racists were definatley a big problem during the civil rights movement, but these days the left-wing "coalitions" of radical socialists, black seperatists etc etc are todays.

Honestly, how many left-wing rallys in the past year have been crashed and assaulted by right-wing ones? Not many at all.

Radical socialists... Oh America...

[Sriker]

110% American

Feels good to be a gangster

My god he is a cheeseburger

[Kanadorika]

Its almost like I mentioned two regions instead of countries :^)



Of course and just incase your education fails, the law will be there to deal with me incase I still have the wrong opinion.

*laughs in victory*

[Balkenreich II]

Tem is the CLONE OF OTTO SKORZENY.

This is a lie spread by the Germans. Do not believe his lies.

I could say Hermann Goering, but you are too skinny and too smart.

[Sriker]

Had one all ready I really have one I just found it in the garage

Then sell-
oh

Haven't touched it

[Proctopeo]

110% American

Feels good to be a gangster

My god he is a cheeseburger

Relevant:

Then sell-
oh

Haven't touched it

Might burn your skin if you do. Communists work like vampires, right? They touch something that discusses capitalism in a positive light and they burn?

[Kash Island]

What matters fundamentally is assuaging the concerns of both sides and attempting to reestablish national unity.

Fuck that. The only way you can assuage the concerns of neo-Nazis is to either convert them away from neo-Naziism or get rid of the non-white folk. They're going to be concerned up until that point.

Also, the white folk definitely threw the first punch. Not like it matters, but let's not even pretend for a moment that neo-Nazis can or should be framed as the victims in anything.

I didn't justify anything, left or right wing this violence is disgusting because it's a phyiscal action.

I could care less if someone is a communist or fascist as long as they are peaceful. But when tensions rise people on both sides are bound to do violent things.

we still have some unknowns as well.

It's a bit disingenuous to frame this as a both sides thing. Yes, both sides are capable of violence, but neo-nazi groups have more numbers and a longer history in the states.

History means nothing, Actions means everything in this instance.

Neo-Nazi groups and the KKK are FAR few in comparison to modern socialist/communist groups

contrary to the media attempting to paint otherwise, Neo-Nazism and the KKK in America are a very small group.

[Sriker]

My god he is a cheeseburger

Relevant:

Haven't touched it

Might burn your skin if you do. Communists work like vampires, right? They touch something that discusses capitalism in a positive light and they burn?

No only with nazi books and fifty shades of gray