Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Olerand]

I know this, I just don't get it. And its creator then "killed" it and etc. etc.

But if the alt-right is a frog, and its opponents are high-pitched frogs... Then... What the fuck is with all these frogs? Why frogs?

Like... Inherently, they're a stupid mascot. The eagle is frightening, the lion, etc. The frog is just... Symbolically, it's stupid.

Okay, so, I can explain.

Two big 4Chan memes: Pepe and Gets

Pepe = the green frog
Gets = repeating end numbers on the end of the sequential post numbers

Then you have "kek" which is a Korean term indicating laughter, and "cuck", a shortening of "cuckhold".

And then, about two years ago, some anon taking a uni class on Ancient Egypt was reading about Ancient Egyptian gods, and learned about one named "Kek" (also pronounced "Kuk"). This god supposedly was represented as a man with a frog head, and created things out of primordial chaos using repeating arithmetic.

Literally... This is very stupid then. Very, very stupid.

[Neanderthaland]

Okay, so, I can explain.

Two big 4Chan memes: Pepe and Gets

Pepe = the green frog
Gets = repeating end numbers on the end of the sequential post numbers

Then you have "kek" which is a Korean term indicating laughter, and "cuck", a shortening of "cuckhold".

And then, about two years ago, some anon taking a uni class on Ancient Egypt was reading about Ancient Egyptian gods, and learned about one named "Kek" (also pronounced "Kuk"). This god supposedly was represented as a man with a frog head, and created things out of primordial chaos using repeating arithmetic.

Literally... This is very stupid then. Very, very stupid.

His etymology is a bit off. "Kek" is Orcish for "lol."

[Ostroeuropa]

Okay, so, I can explain.

Two big 4Chan memes: Pepe and Gets

Pepe = the green frog
Gets = repeating end numbers on the end of the sequential post numbers

Then you have "kek" which is a Korean term indicating laughter, and "cuck", a shortening of "cuckhold".

And then, about two years ago, some anon taking a uni class on Ancient Egypt was reading about Ancient Egyptian gods, and learned about one named "Kek" (also pronounced "Kuk"). This god supposedly was represented as a man with a frog head, and created things out of primordial chaos using repeating arithmetic.

Literally... This is very stupid then. Very, very stupid.

Meme magic is real tho.
Basically it's a way of dressing up a discussion on memetics in absurd references and in-jokes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics

Kek is ironically "worshipped" and used as allegory to discuss memetics.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... im-elected

the article takes it too seriously. It's better understood as a joke/allegory than serious religion or occult practice.

Ferréol is detailing what he calls "memetic warfare." The technique involves charging a symbol, which will then act as a proxy for a clandestine plan. In occult tradition, this is known as chaos magic.

[Lord of The Rings]

Yes, it was a terrorist attack. As far as what says about your history of racism and the growing diversity, I have no idea. I'm not from the US and don't have any real idea on what the exact problem could be.

As for solutions, I'd start by making racism and discrimination illegal. Not sure if that's already the case, but if it is I must say they enforce it very poorly. Another solution would be education, something a lot of these folks lack.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, it was a terrorist attack. As far as what says about your history of racism and the growing diversity, I have no idea. I'm not from the US and don't have any real idea on what the exact problem could be.

As for solutions, I'd start by making racism and discrimination illegal. Not sure if that's already the case, but if it is I must say they enforce it very poorly. Another solution would be education, something a lot of these folks lack.

You can't really make racism illegal.

[Lord of The Rings]

Today the US witnessed a horrific event in Charlottesville, Virginia which is home to the University of Virginia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/c ... alist.html

Many far right leaders including David Duke attended along with thousands of far right white nationalists. Much of what was said cannot be written here as it would violate site rules but one has a pretty good idea. Confederate flags were brought along with military helmets and homemade pepper spray. Shortly after the event began it turned violent and the Governor called in the Virginia National Guard. It was declared a unlawful assembly and broken up.

I respect the right of freedom of speech even speech I don't agree with, but acts of violence like what this wonderful town saw today is unacceptable....... and white nationalism----------- is never ok under any circumstance and since the last election there has been a huge uptick in this type of behavior and its completely unacceptable.

Then you're pretty much saying white rights and interests, for the good of whites and our future in this country, are not "ok" under any circumstances. Attitudes like yours is what leads to violence in the first place.

White people are the only ones diminishing in numbers in this nation. That's enough reason to protest and be concerned.

No, it really isn't as protests won't cause a population boom amongst white people. If the concerned white people want to address the problem they should simply make more babies, nothing more and nothing less.

[Lord of The Rings]

Yes, it was a terrorist attack. As far as what says about your history of racism and the growing diversity, I have no idea. I'm not from the US and don't have any real idea on what the exact problem could be.

As for solutions, I'd start by making racism and discrimination illegal. Not sure if that's already the case, but if it is I must say they enforce it very poorly. Another solution would be education, something a lot of these folks lack.

You can't really make racism illegal.

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

[Corrian]

Free Hugs guy goes into more detail about the road area. You had the dumb "stay off the road" arguments, but this road literally tells you to "Yield to pedestrians". It is mostly a pedestrian road area anyway.

[Free Maronites]

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

Problem with making racism illegal is that it makes it too easy for people to use it as a club against others. Suddenly disagreeing with a black person can be construed as racism. Also, infringement on free speech is an infringement.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can't really make racism illegal.

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

The Supreme Court has unanimously declared hate speech and such things to be protected under the 1A. So unless you pass an amendment no you can't.

[Geilinor]

You can't really make racism illegal.

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

They didn't make it illegal to be a racist.

[Lord of The Rings]

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

Problem with making racism illegal is that it makes it too easy for people to use it as a club against others. Suddenly disagreeing with a black person can be construed as racism. Also, infringement on free speech is an infringement.

A disagreement is a disagreement, nothing more and nothing less. It can only turn into racism when racist comments are made. And in the end it is up to a judge to decide whether it was actually racist or not.

Outright free speech is pointless and harmful. Free speech should end where one deliberately attempts to harm others.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Well, if it can be proven that the reason behind the attack was politically motivated ( As I would imagine it was ) then it was by very definition a terrorist attack.

[Lord of The Rings]

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

The Supreme Court has unanimously declared hate speech and such things to be protected under the 1A. So unless you pass an amendment no you can't.

And what exactly is 1A? Again, I'm not familiar with these sorts of things in the US.

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

They didn't make it illegal to be a racist.

No, they didn't, but that's fine. Conflicts such as these only erupt because people are freely allowed to spit out their racist slurs. Ending that will end much of the problem. Sure there will still be racists out there, they will always be there no matter what one can do, but at least they won't cause any trouble with it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Supreme Court has unanimously declared hate speech and such things to be protected under the 1A. So unless you pass an amendment no you can't.

And what exactly is 1A? Again, I'm not familiar with these sorts of things in the US.

First Amendment.

[Litorea]

You can't really make racism illegal.

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

You see, the problem with making racism illegal is that it's a lot like making a law banning people from liking the color green. Sure, it might shut people up about it, and it might make it seem invisible. But it never really goes away, because personal preferences and beliefs can't simply be banned. The racism will still be there - a law like that just forces it to go underground.

[Socastia]

If you classify them as a terrorist group then you have to do the same with BLM and ANTIFA.

[Lord of The Rings]

And what exactly is 1A? Again, I'm not familiar with these sorts of things in the US.

First Amendment.

Ah yes, oh god. How could I forget that you have such pathetic system of law over there... Well, time you got yourself a normal system of law, it would save you a lot of this nonsense.

Yes, you can make racism illegal. Just ask all those nations in which racism is illegal.

You see, the problem with making racism illegal is that it's a lot like making a law banning people from liking the color green. Sure, it might shut people up about it, and it might make it seem invisible. But it never really goes away, because personal preferences and beliefs can't simply be banned. The racism will still be there - a law like that just forces it to go underground.

True. However it does reduce the amount of open confrontations like we saw here, and saving one life is worth it in my book. On top of that there's my second solution, education, which can do a lot of good whether it is out in the open or underground.

Now there is no way racist will ever disappear, there will always be some around and during certain times there will be more than during other times. yet it is still important to combat it by whatever means needed. Allowing racists to be so open about it only causes more hatred amongst people, something that should and can be avoided.

[The East Marches II]

No, they didn't, but that's fine. Conflicts such as these only erupt because people are freely allowed to spit out their racist slurs. Ending that will end much of the problem. Sure there will still be racists out there, they will always be there no matter what one can do, but at least they won't cause any trouble with it.

Of course, that usually solves the problem. I have often found sweeping things under the rug solves things. Thats why Europe is of course always so peaceful and many countries in the Middle East have no ethnic tensions.

[The East Marches II]

True. However it does reduce the amount of open confrontations like we saw here, and saving one life is worth it in my book. On top of that there's my second solution, education, which can do a lot of good whether it is out in the open or underground.

Now there is no way racist will ever disappear, there will always be some around and during certain times there will be more than during other times. yet it is still important to combat it by whatever means needed. Allowing racists to be so open about it only causes more hatred amongst people, something that should and can be avoided.

Better ban swimming pools and cars tbh

[Computer Lab]

I'd much rather have the First Amendment than not. If any political speech is declared illegal it is much more likely that whatever you believe is declared illegal.

[Ohioan Territory]

The more attention society and media give these white supremacists, the more power they have.

What is the point of counter-protesting their rally? There was no way they were going to change their racist beliefs, I see no point.

Racism is reprehensible but let's be honest here, had nobody given these losers attention in the first place, none of this would have happened. They would have spat their stupid rhetoric amongst their own and it would have blown over... but no. Give them attention. Spread their message. Do exactly what they wanted you to do.

[Geilinor]

The more attention society and media give these white supremacists, the more power they have.

What is the point of counter-protesting their rally? There was no way they were going to change their racist beliefs, I see no point.

Racism is reprehensible but let's be honest here, had nobody given these losers attention in the first place, none of this would have happened. They would have spat their stupid rhetoric amongst their own and it would have blown over... but no. Give them attention. Spread their message. Do exactly what they wanted you to do.

The point of the counter-protests was for them to show their opposition to the beliefs of the white supremacists.

[Ohioan Territory]

The more attention society and media give these white supremacists, the more power they have.

What is the point of counter-protesting their rally? There was no way they were going to change their racist beliefs, I see no point.

Racism is reprehensible but let's be honest here, had nobody given these losers attention in the first place, none of this would have happened. They would have spat their stupid rhetoric amongst their own and it would have blown over... but no. Give them attention. Spread their message. Do exactly what they wanted you to do.

The point of the counter-protests was for them to show their opposition to the beliefs of the white supremacists.

Essentially pointless.

[Computer Lab]

The more attention society and media give these white supremacists, the more power they have.

What is the point of counter-protesting their rally? There was no way they were going to change their racist beliefs, I see no point.

Racism is reprehensible but let's be honest here, had nobody given these losers attention in the first place, none of this would have happened. They would have spat their stupid rhetoric amongst their own and it would have blown over... but no. Give them attention. Spread their message. Do exactly what they wanted you to do.

The point of the counter-protests was for them to show their opposition to the beliefs of the white supremacists.

Ohioan Territory has a point. Everyone knows that people are opposed to white supremacy implicitly.