Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[The Palmetto]

My question is what the Confederacy has to do with Nazism. Don't get me wrong, the Confederacy was definitely founded upon the values of slavery and racism, but they had no association with Nazism and Nazism had no association with the Confederacy. If they really cared about their Southern heritage, the rioters wouldn't asssociate themselves with an ideology that's irrelevant towards Southern history.

I also heard that there was some anti-Semitic stuff coming from that crowd, what's with that? The Confederacy wasn't specifically anti-Jewish, and as a matter of fact, they had a Jewish member of their Cabinet. They were racist towards blacks, of course, but Jews, not as much.

To me, this looks like a bunch of uneducated racists fighting for something they don't understand. People like these make me feel disappointed and disgusted. Even if it was not intended to be seen as a symbol for white nationalism and racism, it is clear that this monument has become one, and it should be placed in a museum.

For a long time after the American Civil War, there was hardly anyone, Southerner or not, who proudly displayed the flag. It started to be very heavily associated with extreme racism during the rise of the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s when counterprotestors adopted it as a symbol of their movement, their defence being that racial segregation was justified and necessary. Then we also have modern day racists like David Duke who enjoy blurring the line with American racism and Nazi racism.

It was mostly a rhetorical question, I know about all of the corruption of the Confederate battle flag.

I've always been rather annoyed by the misuse of the battle flag to stand for racism, when it just stood for Confederate military groups. More annoying is when people assume it's the national flag, which it wasn't. As a matter of fact, I do believe that the rectangular one is actually most similar to the Confederate Navy. Then again, it's not like most rednecks are educated enough to know about this.

[Proctopeo]

It's not a "complete non-sequitur".
People got hit while standing in the road and I said not to do that, and that it won't always be on purpose; then, all you have to blame is yourself. This is all completely related to the theme of "don't stand in the road".

This isn't "standing in the road" it's a protest, and they got attacked.

You ascribing blame to anti-racists who were killed and injured is awful.

I'll explain this in simpler terms:

If a protest involves standing in the road, it's still standing in the road. It's just standing in the road with opinions. And no, I'm not blaming the "anti-racists" (in scare quotes because it it's never clear how true it is) for getting injured, I'm just saying that they were being dumb.

[The East Marches II]

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

It's as if you don't understand the concept of the living document or amendment process. The problem with Americas unwillingness to progress is not in her Constitution but her Representatives and the people who elect them.

>Living document

Get that trash out of here.

[Thermodolia]

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

I volunteer to be dictator.

That's my position. You can be my second in command and next in line

[Napkiraly]

Related to these events, a police helicopter monitoring everything has crashed. Other sources say two people were on board. Hopefully they are alive and unhurt.

I'm hearing two fatalities.

As am I. But I'm still holding onto the faint hope that those reports are inaccurate.

[Licana]

You've had 25 constitutions? Or are you referring to the amendments? 10 of which were added at the beginning, and out of the other 15, 2 or 3 were to guarantee voting for non-white men, another for (white at the time) women, two for banning and then allowing alcohol, etc.

Hardly the radical State-organizational change one needs to keep up with 2 centuries worth of history.

I was making a dig at your "it's been 200 years" comment. It's been 25 years since the last major change to the constitution. That's kind of the thing about the constitution; if the societal impetus is there, it can be changed.

[The East Marches II]

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Not for the first time either! If only France wasn't so prone to strong man politics and authoritarianism. Alas, poor France.

*Macron hon hon hon's in the distance*

"My thoughts are too complex for the journalists to understand"

Fantastic, 10/10

[MERIZoC]

This isn't "standing in the road" it's a protest, and they got attacked.

You ascribing blame to anti-racists who were killed and injured is awful.

I'll explain this in simpler terms:

If a protest involves standing in the road, it's still standing in the road. It's just standing in the road with opinions. And no, I'm not blaming the "anti-racists" (in scare quotes because it it's never clear how true it is) for getting injured, I'm just saying that they were being dumb.

Yeah and you're a terrible person to shame those who stand up against fascists and racists.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

The left needs to be unafraid of appealing to the sentiments of the right.

We should be pointing out that ending the drug war will stabilize latin america and lower immigration, as well as noting that investment in the public at home in terms of education and such will mean less foreigners being brought in to do the top jobs.

[Valrifell]

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

Clinton needs some work.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Related to these events, a police helicopter monitoring everything has crashed. Other sources say two people were on board. Hopefully they are alive and unhurt.

I'm hearing two fatalities.

Thats horrible.

[Badger Industries]

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It's as if you don't understand the concept of the living document or amendment process. The problem with Americas unwillingness to progress is not in her Constitution but her Representatives and the people who elect them.

>Living document

Get that trash out of here.

Yeah, people without a minimum property wanting to vote. Fuck that shit.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

:roll:

Look, violence is part of human nature. Force usually seems to be the thing people understand most. Unfortunately force and violence go together most of the time. I agree that no one is reasonable anymore or willing to listen to anybody else. I can't escape that conclusion. I guess sometimes things just have to happen.

Meanwhile N. Korea may sneak a nuke in at some point in time. Who knows.

No, we must act as the civilized people we are. We are perfectly able to have discussion and debate. Resorting to violence is conceding your ideology can only rule by might, and not by Right.

Pretty much this.

Thank you for saying that.

[The East Marches II]

>Living document

Get that trash out of here.

Yeah, people without a minimum property wanting to vote. Fuck that shit.

Yeah, they can get through an amendment in the proper manner :^)

I still wouldn't let the poor vote tbh

[Napkiraly]

*Macron hon hon hon's in the distance*

"My thoughts are too complex for the journalists to understand"

Fantastic, 10/10

No wonder him and Trump get along well. Maybe we pegged the wrong French politician to compare to Trump.

[Olerand]

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Not for the first time either! If only France wasn't so prone to strong man politics and authoritarianism. Alas, poor France.

*Macron hon hon hon's in the distance*

And all of this talk coming from the nation of Trump. At least our strong men are literate.

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

All three

So you are in 1776, 1865, and 1963? No wonder you have these problems, you are making three centuries coexist in a fourth.

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

It's as if you don't understand the concept of the living document or amendment process. The problem with Americas unwillingness to progress is not in her Constitution but her Representatives and the people who elect them.

Obviously. Who makes the constitution? The Queen of England?
It is obviously the people and their representatives. When I criticize the American constitution, I am criticizing the Americans who haven't updated it.

[Proctopeo]

I'll explain this in simpler terms:

If a protest involves standing in the road, it's still standing in the road. It's just standing in the road with opinions. And no, I'm not blaming the "anti-racists" (in scare quotes because it it's never clear how true it is) for getting injured, I'm just saying that they were being dumb.

Yeah and you're a terrible person to shame those who stand up against fascists and racists.

Literally nowhere in any of my posts did I say that. You can say someone was being dumb without shaming them, friendo

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'll explain this in simpler terms:

If a protest involves standing in the road, it's still standing in the road. It's just standing in the road with opinions. And no, I'm not blaming the "anti-racists" (in scare quotes because it it's never clear how true it is) for getting injured, I'm just saying that they were being dumb.

Yeah and you're a terrible person to shame those who stand up against fascists and racists.

He's not?

[Luziyca]

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

A centrist dictatorship does sound nice, to be honest.

[The East Marches II]

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

Far better to be in 1776 than to be... well whatever excuse you call your "rights". :^)

[Ostroeuropa]

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

A centrist dictatorship does sound nice, to be honest.

It sounds like hell on earth to me.

[Proctopeo]

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Your post is the embodiment of literally every anti-centrist comic

[Napkiraly]

*Macron hon hon hon's in the distance*

And all of this talk coming from the nation of Trump. At least our strong men are literate.

I ain't American just yet, mon ami. :^)

[Thermodolia]

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"