Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Luminesa]

This is full of laughs.
This could be used with Christianity also. And no matter much you hate the Deen and us Muslimeen, Judaism, Christianity and Al-Islam are all connected.

Also: https://www.google.com/search?q=cult&oq ... e&ie=UTF-8

It's better to laugh than to cry in the face of the unpleasant Truth, I suppose, but what is even better is to accept it and change one's ways.

And, no, this really couldn't. There is no denying that Islamic core theology is more or less the Arian heresy take on Christianity with bits of Arabic paganism mixed into it (t. Satanic Verses).
The same can not be said of Christianity.

Moreover, it's not that surprising that, given that both of those things were the only things Mahomet knew about Religion, he used them as a base when he created his cult.

Anyway, no. Your Allah and Mahomet that you worship have no links whatsoever with Jesus-Christ, our Savior and God. You continuing to claim so in spite of the truth won't makes it otherwise.

If we wanna get real technical, Arianism does draw from Christianity of course, thus Islam can be 'connected' to Christianity in that way, but only technically. Otherwise St. Nicholas punches you in the face for bringing Arianism and Christianity into the same room. XD

[True Alimeria]

Islam is not a race, it is an ideology which supports racketeering, murder, rape, and slavery, including sex slavery, being an "Islamophobe" has nothing to do with race.

And you think we will all listen to what you have to say, when you base your whole agenda on hating Muslims and
trying everything possible to make it worse for us, and we should trust you?
Discrimation against a religious group is a serious thing, don't try to talk that over, you're not fooling anyone.

[Aellex]

If we wanna get real technical, Arianism does draw from Christianity of course, thus Islam can be 'connected' to Christianity in that way, but only technically. Otherwise St. Nicholas punches you in the face for bringing Arianism and Christianity into the same room. XD

Yep, that's what I said Lumi.
Islam draw a lot of its core theology feom the Arian heresy (which is itself connected to Christianity of course) and thus is connected to Christianity that way but the reciprocal isn't true as Christianity doesn't draw from Islam in any way, shape or form which means that Christianity indeed isn't connected to Islam.
Essentially the connection between Islam and Christianity is only one-wayed.

[Luminesa]

If we wanna get real technical, Arianism does draw from Christianity of course, thus Islam can be 'connected' to Christianity in that way, but only technically. Otherwise St. Nicholas punches you in the face for bringing Arianism and Christianity into the same room. XD

Yep, that's what I said Lumi.
Islam draw a lot of its core theology feom the Arian heresy (which is itself connected to Christianity of course) and thus is connected to Christianity that way but the reciprocal isn't true as Christianity doesn't draw from Islam in any way, shape or form which means that Christianity indeed isn't connected to Islam.
Essentially the connection between Islam and Christianity is only one-wayed.

I just wanted a reason to bring St. Nicholas punching Arius into the conversation, because St. Nicholas going off will never not be awesome.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Islam is not a race, it is an ideology which supports racketeering, murder, rape, and slavery, including sex slavery, being an "Islamophobe" has nothing to do with race.

And you think we will all listen to what you have to say, when you base your whole agenda on hating Muslims and
trying everything possible to make it worse for us, and we should trust you?
Discrimation against a religious group is a serious thing, don't try to talk that over, you're not fooling anyone.

But it's still not racist.

[Alvecia]

And you think we will all listen to what you have to say, when you base your whole agenda on hating Muslims and
trying everything possible to make it worse for us, and we should trust you?
Discrimation against a religious group is a serious thing, don't try to talk that over, you're not fooling anyone.

But it's still not racist.

Does discrimination by religion even have it's own word?

[Elwher]

But it's still not racist.

Does discrimination by religion even have it's own word?

As an unofficial logolator, I propose theist discrimination as an appropriate term.

[Alvecia]

Does discrimination by religion even have it's own word?

As an unofficial logolator, I propose theist discrimination as an appropriate term.

"Theist discrimination" isn't quite as catchy as racism.

Religionism? Religionist? Godist? Godism?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

But it's still not racist.

Does discrimination by religion even have it's own word?

Not yet.

[Alvecia]

Does discrimination by religion even have it's own word?

Not yet.

Someone more creative than I should get right on that.

[Sanctissima]

As an unofficial logolator, I propose theist discrimination as an appropriate term.

"Theist discrimination" isn't quite as catchy as racism.

Religionism? Religionist? Godist? Godism?

No no no.

You have to go full reactionary Catholic.

Use words like heretic, infidel and apostate. It's much more fun. Trust me, we've been working on this sort of thing for millennia.

[True Alimeria]

Does discrimination by religion even have it's own word?

Not yet.

Alo, Islamophobia!

Do you think we're stupid? Don't fool us!

[Crockerland]

Islam is not a race, it is an ideology which supports racketeering, murder, rape, and slavery, including sex slavery, being an "Islamophobe" has nothing to do with race.

And you think we will all listen to what you have to say, when you base your whole agenda on hating Muslims and
trying everything possible to make it worse for us, and we should trust you?
Discrimation against a religious group is a serious thing, don't try to talk that over, you're not fooling anyone.

Sorry that my being objectively correct doesn't correlate with your trust.

[Alvecia]

Not yet.

Alo, Islamophobia!

Do you think we're stupid? Don't fool us!

Too specific. Doesn't cover religion, covers Islam.

[True Alimeria]

And you think we will all listen to what you have to say, when you base your whole agenda on hating Muslims and
trying everything possible to make it worse for us, and we should trust you?
Discrimation against a religious group is a serious thing, don't try to talk that over, you're not fooling anyone.

Sorry that my being objectively correct doesn't correlate with your trust.

Speak for yourself and for what you stand for, you prick. You're not the reasonable person here and you can't convince anyone.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not yet.

Alo, Islamophobia!

Do you think we're stupid? Don't fool us!

I cannot call somebody prejudiced against Christianity an Islamophobe.

[True Alimeria]

Alo, Islamophobia!

Do you think we're stupid? Don't fool us!

I cannot call somebody prejudiced against Christianity an Islamophobe.

Sry I only meant Islamophobia but discrimination against Christians exists, ofc.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I cannot call somebody prejudiced against Christianity an Islamophobe.

Sry I only meant Islamophobia but discrimination against Christians exists, ofc.

Are you even tracking this conversation?

[True Alimeria]

Hey I only wanted to reply to Crockerland

Didn't track your conversation tbh

[G-Tech Corporation]

Alo, Islamophobia!

Do you think we're stupid? Don't fool us!

I cannot call somebody prejudiced against Christianity an Islamophobe.

Christianity, Islam, eh. Abrahamic religions be crazy, yo.

[Camaalbakrius]

for a second I thought I clicked the christian discussion thread. have we migrated or something?

[G-Tech Corporation]

for a second I thought I clicked the christian discussion thread. have we migrated or something?

Charlottesville, Nazis, right-wing terrorism, left-wing terrorism, Islam. Dat chain of discussion topics.

[Camaalbakrius]

for a second I thought I clicked the christian discussion thread. have we migrated or something?

Charlottesville, Nazis, right-wing terrorism, left-wing terrorism, Islam. Dat chain of discussion topics.

Ah, I see. I'm guessing the last of that list is currently being discussed?

[Camaalbakrius]

Yep, that's what I said Lumi.
Islam draw a lot of its core theology feom the Arian heresy (which is itself connected to Christianity of course) and thus is connected to Christianity that way but the reciprocal isn't true as Christianity doesn't draw from Islam in any way, shape or form which means that Christianity indeed isn't connected to Islam.
Essentially the connection between Islam and Christianity is only one-wayed.

I just wanted a reason to bring St. Nicholas punching Arius into the conversation, because St. Nicholas going off will never not be awesome.

Deck the halls? More like deck the heretic

[The Archregimancy]

It's better to laugh than to cry in the face of the unpleasant Truth, I suppose, but what is even better is to accept it and change one's ways.

And, no, this really couldn't. There is no denying that Islamic core theology is more or less the Arian heresy take on Christianity with bits of Arabic paganism mixed into it (t. Satanic Verses).
The same can not be said of Christianity.

Moreover, it's not that surprising that, given that both of those things were the only things Mahomet knew about Religion, he used them as a base when he created his cult.

Anyway, no. Your Allah and Mahomet that you worship have no links whatsoever with Jesus-Christ, our Savior and God. You continuing to claim so in spite of the truth won't makes it otherwise.

If we wanna get real technical, Arianism does draw from Christianity of course, thus Islam can be 'connected' to Christianity in that way, but only technically. Otherwise St. Nicholas punches you in the face for bringing Arianism and Christianity into the same room. XD

I'm not convinced that Islam draws directly on Arianism.

It's a very long bow to draw between Islam's denial of Christ's divinity (while accepting His role as an honoured prophet), and Arianism's subordination of the Son to the Father.

Arianism's argument that Christ was begotten by the Father, and isn't cosubstantial with the Father is recognisably a counterargument to what would become Nicene Christianity's argument that Christ was unbegotten and cosubstantial. It literally is an argument over a single iota, between the Arian ηομοιουσιος and the Nicene ηομοουσιος. Arianism is Christianity; it's a heretical extinct Christianity, but Christianity all the same. Islam's outright denial of Christ's divinity or of any relationship between Christ and God marks it out as something quite distinct.

There's also the problem that it would have been at best very difficult for the young Mohammed to encounter Arianism, which by the late 6th / early 7th century was almost wholly confined to specific Germanic kingdoms in the Western Mediterranean. Mohammed's early journeys to Syria would have given him almost no scope for encountering Arian theology. It's therefore telling that when they did draw comparisons between Islam and Christianity, the first Byzantines to encounter the new religion (and 7th-century Byzantines tended to know their theology) tended to make a comparison between Islam and Monophysitism - arguably the polar opposite of Arianism - on the basis that this was a far likelier influence on Mohammed given its geographical distribution.* However, 7th-century Byzantines were far more likely to see Islam as God's means of punishment against the heretical Monophysite provinces of Egypt and Syria rather than as a theological challenge to Nicene Christianity. Seventh-century Byzantine political philosophy (which at this point was largely interchangeable with Byzantine theology) wasn't really designed to meet the challenge of a new religion - or even a new heresy - that could successfully challenge God's chosen Christian Empire, something which would remain a fundamental problem for the Byzantine worldview for its entire history.

But I digress....



See, for example, Becker's 2004 essay 'Christian Polemics and the Formation of Islamic Dogma.' (In Robert Hoyland's book Muslims and Others in Early Islamic Society).