Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Len Hyet]

Have fun telling literally all of the ancaps on this board that they're suddenly left-wing.

From my Americanized understanding of politics, right-wingers usually advocate for small gov (U.S. republicans) and left-wingers are the opposite (U.S. dems). Anarchists want a gov so small it doesn't even exist, or barely does. So from my understanding, anarchists are right-wing. I'm most likely wrong, could someone explain?

Yeah no problem.

Essentially you're stuck on a Left/Right political spectrum. The current mode of thinking of it is Left/Right Authoritarian/Libertarian, or Left/Right/Up/Down to graph it. So you can be extremely left, and still want minimal government (Anarcho-Communists) or extreme right and want overwhelming government (Fascist Dictatorship). That's what the political compass numbers mean. The first one is your Left/Right which is mostly social issues, the second is the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis. A negative first number means left-leaning, a negative second number means libertarian-leaning, and the other way around (positive numbers are right and authoritarian).

For example I'm something like a 3, -5 (the numbers are out of 10) which means I'm socially conservative-leaning and moderately libertarian.

I've attached an example graph. It's not perfect, I disagree with its positioning of Libertarian, Progressivism, and I'm not sure that Activism is a political entity, but it's mostly accurate.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Thx.

[Bakery Hill]

Conservative logic:

> Antifa are precious little snowflakes.
> Antifa are dangerous violent thugs.

[Taihei Tengoku]

"Children are immature and selfish" and "children are dangerous if their immaturity is enabled by violence" aren't mutually exclusive. Sick burn but not really

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Conservative logic:

> Antifa are precious little snowflakes.
> Antifa are dangerous violent thugs.

>Why not both

[Bakery Hill]

Conservative logic:

> Antifa are precious little snowflakes.
> Antifa are dangerous violent thugs.

>Why not both

Subject to time? Of course.
Pre rally:
> we'll kick the shit out of the college kids
Post rally:
> these thugs grievously assaulted me!

[Sovaal]

>Why not both

Subject to time? Of course.
Pre rally:
> we'll kick the shit out of the college kids
Post rally:
> these thugs grievously assaulted me!

Well, these guys (or at least the Nazis) are the same people who believe:
>Jews are a subhuman race that needs to be destroyed
>Jews are the puppet masters of the world.

[Proctopeo]

"Children are immature and selfish" and "children are dangerous if their immaturity is enabled by violence" aren't mutually exclusive. Sick burn but not really

You've got your head on straight, you know that?

[Bakery Hill]

Subject to time? Of course.
Pre rally:
> we'll kick the shit out of the college kids
Post rally:
> these thugs grievously assaulted me!

Well, these guys (or at least the Nazis) are the same people who believe:
>Jews are a subhuman race that needs to be destroyed
>Jews are the puppet masters of the world.

Yes, Jews are the master race, blessed with supreme intelligence. Jews, of course, created communism. Therefore communism is the best ideology.

[Taihei Tengoku]

>Why not both

Subject to time? Of course.
Pre rally:
> we'll kick the shit out of the college kids
Post rally:
> these thugs grievously assaulted me!

Morons who look for a fight are often unprepared for actual combat. Conversely people looking to selflessly fight monsters in human skin often just beat up random people they find for their hit of dopamine

[Bakery Hill]

Subject to time? Of course.
Pre rally:
> we'll kick the shit out of the college kids
Post rally:
> these thugs grievously assaulted me!

Morons who look for a fight are often unprepared for actual combat. Conversely people looking to selflessly fight monsters in human skin often just beat up random people they find for their hit of dopamine

Thank you for these aphorisms friend.

[Republican Corentia]

> Nobody takes antifa seriously
> people claim it needs to be labelled as a terrorist group
??? I am not sure what you are saying here.

Probably should say that most people don't instead of all people

>most people don't

This is pretty wrong. There's people joining antifascists movements all across the U.S. and abroad they actually are engaged violently with a variety of fascists, from Golden Dawn to ISIS.

[Republican Corentia]

I don't know who said it, mate; they obviously didn't use the word, 'genocide', correctly. There's also the fact that the famines in India were a result of both government policy and natural causes. I'm not entirely sure about Socialism and it's part to play in any famine.

the soviet union experienced a famine in the Ukraine(conveniently) and then didn't allow foreign aid in, then went about trying to downplay it.

It is called the Holdomor and is akin to the holocaust committed by the USSR, many eastern europeon nations(including western ones) recognize that it occurred.

Funny enough Russia denies it based on their "definition" of genocide.

It wasn't a genocide.

[Mattopilos II]

Subject to time? Of course.
Pre rally:
> we'll kick the shit out of the college kids
Post rally:
> these thugs grievously assaulted me!

Morons who look for a fight are often unprepared for actual combat. Conversely people looking to selflessly fight monsters in human skin often just beat up random people they find for their hit of dopamine

Its nice to have good imagination.

[Irona]

Fundementally the reason the Nazi's protesters are worse than anti-fa is because if the Neo-nazi's take power they legitimately will commit genocide. The extermination, subjugation or expulsion of other races is a core concept to both neo-nazi's and white supremacists. Even the worst of anti-fa doesn't demand genocide based how you were born.

[Kash Island]

Fundementally the reason the Nazi's protesters are worse than anti-fa is because if the Neo-nazi's take power they legitimately will commit genocide. The extermination, subjugation or expulsion of other races is a core concept to both neo-nazi's and white supremacists. Even the worst of anti-fa doesn't demand genocide based how you were born.

If muslims gain power they would legitmetly institute shariah law which is pretty horrible in itself, yet we rarley see them protesting that.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Fundementally the reason the Nazi's protesters are worse than anti-fa is because if the Neo-nazi's take power they legitimately will commit genocide. The extermination, subjugation or expulsion of other races is a core concept to both neo-nazi's and white supremacists. Even the worst of anti-fa doesn't demand genocide based how you were born.

uh

[Tekeristan]

Fundementally the reason the Nazi's protesters are worse than anti-fa is because if the Neo-nazi's take power they legitimately will commit genocide. The extermination, subjugation or expulsion of other races is a core concept to both neo-nazi's and white supremacists. Even the worst of anti-fa doesn't demand genocide based how you were born.

uh

The hell does that have to do with this?

[The Grene Knyght]

Fundementally the reason the Nazi's protesters are worse than anti-fa is because if the Neo-nazi's take power they legitimately will commit genocide. The extermination, subjugation or expulsion of other races is a core concept to both neo-nazi's and white supremacists. Even the worst of anti-fa doesn't demand genocide based how you were born.

uh

Are you arguing that Pol Pot was an anarchist, or just that his ideas about creating a utopian agricultural socialist society are shared by the majority of anti-fascist protesters?

[Tekeristan]

uh

Are you arguing that Pol Pot was an anarchist, or just that his ideas about creating a utopian agricultural socialist society are shared by the majority of anti-fascist protesters?

Anti-fascist action is a large group consisting of totalitarian communists, or something like that. I'm sure just even the most minor relation of which broad side they are on the political spectrum totally equates open and preached doctrines of genocide.

[Vassenor]

Fundementally the reason the Nazi's protesters are worse than anti-fa is because if the Neo-nazi's take power they legitimately will commit genocide. The extermination, subjugation or expulsion of other races is a core concept to both neo-nazi's and white supremacists. Even the worst of anti-fa doesn't demand genocide based how you were born.

If muslims gain power they would legitmetly institute shariah law which is pretty horrible in itself, yet we rarley see them protesting that.

What are the chances of that actually happening though?

[Taihei Tengoku]

uh

Are you arguing that Pol Pot was an anarchist, or just that his ideas about creating a utopian agricultural socialist society are shared by the majority of anti-fascist protesters?

The political economy of socialism points towards Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot. Anarcho-communism is an oxymoron.

[Austrasien]

Fundementally the reason the Nazi's protesters are worse than anti-fa is because if the Neo-nazi's take power they legitimately will commit genocide. The extermination, subjugation or expulsion of other races is a core concept to both neo-nazi's and white supremacists. Even the worst of anti-fa doesn't demand genocide based how you were born.

No, it demands genocide based on your economic class. Sometimes called a "revolution".

Keeping communism and fascism outside the range of acceptable positions benefitted everyone enormously. Moving away from common standards to left-wing standards only strengthens extreme right wing movements. People who are susceptible to right wing views will not buy the "we must align with the socialist revolutionaries" line no matter how many times it is repeated. Instead, they are liable to think they are under attack. And nothing actives right-wingers politically like feeling they under attack; sensitivity to threats is one of (if not the THE) core of right wing politics. Conversely, when they do not feel threatened the vast majority will demobilize.

America's traditional framework of extensive, blind, protections for individual liberties is, in fact, excellent for demobilizing right wingers. Which I do not think is unrelated to America's historic success in marginalizing the far right despite certain far right ideas long having substantial popular currency.

[The Grene Knyght]

Are you arguing that Pol Pot was an anarchist, or just that his ideas about creating a utopian agricultural socialist society are shared by the majority of anti-fascist protesters?

The political economy of socialism points towards Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot. Anarcho-communism is an oxymoron.

Ah I see. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Save me the time, next time.

[Nexus of All Realities]

Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

Not very far in all probability.