Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Torrocca]

Nah, what's relevant is that Kash finally gave a source to one of their claims.



I included the ones that called it a crime against humanity in that.

Regardless, I still don't, looking at the facts and considering a logical standpoint, consider the Holodomor to be genocide.

"facts" and "logical standpoint"

what is that even mean in this situation? what are the facts? enlighten me.

This and this. Take a look on the map there, too; a huge number of non-Ukrainian territories also heavily suffered from the famine at the time. If Stalin really, truly was intending to genocide Ukrainians, it wouldn't have been done in a way that so negatively affected non-Ukrainian populations.

[Proctopeo]

"facts" and "logical standpoint"

what is that even mean in this situation? what are the facts? enlighten me.

This and this. Take a look on the map there, too; a huge number of non-Ukrainian territories also heavily suffered from the famine at the time. If Stalin really, truly was intending to genocide Ukrainians, it wouldn't have been done in a way that so negatively affected non-Ukrainian populations.

You're giving too much heart to the man who let his first son die in a concentration camp.

[Kash Island]

"facts" and "logical standpoint"

what is that even mean in this situation? what are the facts? enlighten me.

This and this. Take a look on the map there, too; a huge number of non-Ukrainian territories also heavily suffered from the famine at the time. If Stalin really, truly was intending to genocide Ukrainians, it wouldn't have been done in a way that so negatively affected non-Ukrainian populations.

Stalin didn't give a shit about his own people, so why would he care if many of his own countrymen were also effected?

were talking about a ruthless paranoid whom murdered many close associates and had his own concentration camps that were filled with his own people as well.

[Torrocca]

This and this. Take a look on the map there, too; a huge number of non-Ukrainian territories also heavily suffered from the famine at the time. If Stalin really, truly was intending to genocide Ukrainians, it wouldn't have been done in a way that so negatively affected non-Ukrainian populations.

You're giving too much heart to the man who let his first son die in a concentration camp.

This and this. Take a look on the map there, too; a huge number of non-Ukrainian territories also heavily suffered from the famine at the time. If Stalin really, truly was intending to genocide Ukrainians, it wouldn't have been done in a way that so negatively affected non-Ukrainian populations.

Stalin didn't give a shit about his own people, so why would he care if many of his own countrymen were also effected?

were talking about a ruthless paranoid whom murdered many close associates and had his own concentration camps that were filled with his own people as well.

I'm just saying that, logically, this makes no sense when Stalin could've, y'know, put those millions of Ukrainians into labor camps instead of directly killing them, if he really intended to genocide them. Hence, logically, it doesn't, to me, seem like a genocide.

[Kash Island]

You're giving too much heart to the man who let his first son die in a concentration camp.

Stalin didn't give a shit about his own people, so why would he care if many of his own countrymen were also effected?

were talking about a ruthless paranoid whom murdered many close associates and had his own concentration camps that were filled with his own people as well.

I'm just saying that, logically, this makes no sense when Stalin could've, y'know, put those millions of Ukrainians into labor camps instead of directly killing them, if he really intended to genocide them. Hence, logically, it doesn't, to me, seem like a genocide.

stalin wasn't a logical person so your point is invalid.

[Proctopeo]

You're giving too much heart to the man who let his first son die in a concentration camp.

Stalin didn't give a shit about his own people, so why would he care if many of his own countrymen were also effected?

were talking about a ruthless paranoid whom murdered many close associates and had his own concentration camps that were filled with his own people as well.

I'm just saying that, logically, this makes no sense when Stalin could've, y'know, put those millions of Ukrainians into labor camps instead of directly killing them, if he really intended to genocide them. Hence, logically, it doesn't, to me, seem like a genocide.

He could have, yes. A famine that also happens to have an impact on some Russians makes it easier to not call it a genocide.

[Torrocca]

I'm just saying that, logically, this makes no sense when Stalin could've, y'know, put those millions of Ukrainians into labor camps instead of directly killing them, if he really intended to genocide them. Hence, logically, it doesn't, to me, seem like a genocide.

He could have, yes. A famine that also happens to have an impact on some Russians makes it easier to not call it a genocide.

Of course. But, with that in mind (the impact of the famine on non-Ukrainians) it seems less like a genocide to me.

However, by all means, I could be wrong and it definitely could be a deliberate genocide. The facts, though, make it too conflicting for me to make a proper enough judgement call on it.

[Proctopeo]

He could have, yes. A famine that also happens to have an impact on some Russians makes it easier to not call it a genocide.

Of course. But, with that in mind (the impact of the famine on non-Ukrainians) it seems less like a genocide to me.

However, by all means, I could be wrong and it definitely could be a deliberate genocide. The facts, though, make it too conflicting for me to make a proper enough judgement call on it.

That's what Ioseb Jughashvili wants you to think.

[Torrocca]

Of course. But, with that in mind (the impact of the famine on non-Ukrainians) it seems less like a genocide to me.

However, by all means, I could be wrong and it definitely could be a deliberate genocide. The facts, though, make it too conflicting for me to make a proper enough judgement call on it.

That's what Ioseb Jughashvili wants you to think.

Maybe. I don't know. I know, though, that I find the Stalinist regime to be pretty despicable, for whatever that's worth.

[Kash Island]

That's what Ioseb Jughashvili wants you to think.

Maybe. I don't know. I know, though, that I find the Stalinist regime to be pretty despicable, for whatever that's worth.

agreed

anyways back to topic, the best thing for most people to do would be to disassociate with either side.

[Torrocca]

Maybe. I don't know. I know, though, that I find the Stalinist regime to be pretty despicable, for whatever that's worth.

agreed

anyways back to topic, the best thing for most people to do would be to disassociate with either side.

Nah; Nazis are still the worst of the worst. Disassociating with them would be best.

[Proctopeo]

agreed

anyways back to topic, the best thing for most people to do would be to disassociate with either side.

Nah; Nazis are still the worst of the worst. Disassociating with them would be best.

I think it's best to disassociate with both.
Especially since there are a lot of liberals in America, and they get the bullet too.

[Grand Britannia]

I'm just saying that, logically, this makes no sense when Stalin could've, y'know, put those millions of Ukrainians into labor camps instead of directly killing them, if he really intended to genocide them. Hence, logically, it doesn't, to me, seem like a genocide.

He could have, yes. A famine that also happens to have an impact on some Russians makes it easier to not call it a genocide.

It's ok, those weren't racially motivated so clearly more passable.

[Len Hyet]

Have you not seen the black and gold flags?

Not recently.

Huh

Well, they're around. Not prominent, or I suppose you'd have seen them, but there's a few people with the old black n gold (or some variation) lurking around here.

[Bakery Hill]

I'm just saying that, logically, this makes no sense when Stalin could've, y'know, put those millions of Ukrainians into labor camps instead of directly killing them, if he really intended to genocide them. Hence, logically, it doesn't, to me, seem like a genocide.

He could have, yes. A famine that also happens to have an impact on some Russians makes it easier to not call it a genocide.

That's a bit silly though.

[Kash Island]

Not recently.

Huh

Well, they're around. Not prominent, or I suppose you'd have seen them, but there's a few people with the old black n gold (or some variation) lurking around here.

barely even a few

[Mattopilos II]

Huh

Well, they're around. Not prominent, or I suppose you'd have seen them, but there's a few people with the old black n gold (or some variation) lurking around here.

barely even a few

That's because they try and do it in a peaceful manner. They wonder why people don't take them seriously - they don't have enough pride in themselves to demonstrate their position past a computer monitor.

[Thermodolia]

barely even a few

That's because they try and do it in a peaceful manner. They wonder why people don't take them seriously - they don't have enough pride in themselves to demonstrate their position past a computer monitor.

Nobody takes antifa seriously, and they aren't peaceful.

[Mattopilos II]

That's because they try and do it in a peaceful manner. They wonder why people don't take them seriously - they don't have enough pride in themselves to demonstrate their position past a computer monitor.

Nobody takes antifa seriously, and they aren't peaceful.

> Nobody takes antifa seriously
> people claim it needs to be labelled as a terrorist group
??? I am not sure what you are saying here.

[Thermodolia]

Nobody takes antifa seriously, and they aren't peaceful.

> Nobody takes antifa seriously
> people claim it needs to be labelled as a terrorist group
??? I am not sure what you are saying here.

Probably should say that most people don't instead of all people

[Mattopilos II]

> Nobody takes antifa seriously
> people claim it needs to be labelled as a terrorist group
??? I am not sure what you are saying here.

Probably should say that most people don't instead of all people

They take Antifa seriously - it is more that they don't agree with them. Quite a difference.
In contrast, the amount of people who take ancaps seriously is... small, to say the least. People who don't use the internet much proably find out about their presence later than 4channers, let's go with that.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They're literally left-wing.

Have fun telling literally all of the ancaps on this board that they're suddenly left-wing.

From my Americanized understanding of politics, right-wingers usually advocate for small gov (U.S. republicans) and left-wingers are the opposite (U.S. dems). Anarchists want a gov so small it doesn't even exist, or barely does. So from my understanding, anarchists are right-wing. I'm most likely wrong, could someone explain?

[Proctopeo]

Have fun telling literally all of the ancaps on this board that they're suddenly left-wing.

From my Americanized understanding of politics, right-wingers usually advocate for small gov (U.S. republicans) and left-wingers are the opposite (U.S. dems). Anarchists want a gov so small it doesn't even exist, or barely does. So from my understanding, anarchists are right-wing. I'm most likely wrong, could someone explain?

I think that dichotomy is more accurately conservative versus liberal, with conservatives generally wanting a smaller central government and liberals wanting a larger one.

Almost explains the "liberals get the bullet too" mantra, now that I think about it.

[The Black Forrest]

From my Americanized understanding of politics, right-wingers usually advocate for small gov (U.S. republicans) and left-wingers are the opposite (U.S. dems). Anarchists want a gov so small it doesn't even exist, or barely does. So from my understanding, anarchists are right-wing. I'm most likely wrong, could someone explain?

I think that dichotomy is more accurately conservative versus liberal, with conservatives generally wanting a smaller central government and liberals wanting a larger one.

Almost explains the "liberals get the bullet too" mantra, now that I think about it.

Who created homeland security?

[Proctopeo]

I think that dichotomy is more accurately conservative versus liberal, with conservatives generally wanting a smaller central government and liberals wanting a larger one.

Almost explains the "liberals get the bullet too" mantra, now that I think about it.

Who created homeland security?

Need I remind you the definition of the word "generally"? Never did I say it applied to every member of either group.