Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Aellex]

That sounds rather oxymoronic, since communism is by definition stateless.

Not even supporting Социализм в одной стране.
J U S T

Not a very original jab.

A fair enough one, tho.

[Hakons]

Communism on a national scale doesn't work.

That sounds rather oxymoronic, since communism is by definition stateless.

It won't work on a global scale.

Free market capitalism has supposedly managed to work on a global scale, even though mercantilists and physiocrats would have probably thought it impossible.

I'm sure your leading the way of the Global Revolution by giving all your assets to children in Africa.

Not a very original jab.

My goodness, communism as an economic system doesn't work.

Free market capitalism has worked on a national level and has largely worked on a global level. Communism, as an economic system, usually fails.

It is not original because globalist communists are mostly hypocrites, and they get called out on it.

[Crazed Pirates]

Don't you love it when people pretend to be mind-readers?

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Nope, it's the cutlets that were supposed to arrive previous weekend.

[Liriena]

I'd very much rather we rehabilitated all racist scum, but if I see them intimidating others, invading college campuses and city streets, and harassing innocent people online, I have few qualms with someone who decides to deliver a good punch to their faces.

I'd very much rather we rehabilitated all people who call others scum based on their political or social views, but if I see them intimidating others, literally controlling college campuses and city streets 1984-style, and harassing innocent people everywhere, I have few qualms with someone who decides to deliver a good punch to their faces.

If you're going to defend Nazis, at least be honest about it.

[Cannot think of a name]

Except I have explicitly said that I don't want to see them dead, so at this point you're baselessly speculating about my supposedly hidden motives.

Also, I don't see them as "subhuman". They are human. They are people. And people can change for the better.

You're lying to yourself. You typed out that whole thing on how you're not going to tolerate any of these certain beliefs. It's obvious to everyone that you hate them. You can lie to yourself all you want, but you and I both know that you want them all dead.

You gotta limber up before one of these or you'll hurt yourself.

[Liriena]

[citation needed]

Don't you love it when people pretend to be mind-readers?

I hate mind-readers.

People who claim to see auras, though...

[Torrocca]

If those are so limited, then how can so many first world countries waste so much?

We can't both be lacking and capable of wasting what we supposedly lack.

OK, comrade, what is your assuredly precise and feasible solution to this?

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

[Crazed Pirates]

I'd very much rather we rehabilitated all people who call others scum based on their political or social views, but if I see them intimidating others, literally controlling college campuses and city streets 1984-style, and harassing innocent people everywhere, I have few qualms with someone who decides to deliver a good punch to their faces.

If you're going to defend Nazis, at least be honest about it.

If you're going to call everyone who doesn't like what the Antifa is doing (I know I'm not) Nazis, let's both be honest about it.

[Liriena]

That sounds rather oxymoronic, since communism is by definition stateless.


Free market capitalism has supposedly managed to work on a global scale, even though mercantilists and physiocrats would have probably thought it impossible.


Not a very original jab.

My goodness, communism as an economic system doesn't work.

Free market capitalism has worked on a national level and has largely worked on a global level. Communism, as an economic system, usually fails.

It is not original because globalist communists are mostly hypocrites, and they get called out on it.

I would point out that you haven't actually defended capitalism. Instead, you've tried to smear an entirely different ideology with clichéd arguments. Good going.

[Torrocca]

Tell me, what do you define as private property? Because, I'm assuming, it's not what the Communist definition of private property is, nor what it is they actually seized.

Also, proof on the Nazi parade thing?

Private property as in the Communist definition of it: the, currently, privately owned means of production.
By all legal means, the means of production are in their legal owner's hands currently, to try to seize them is theft.

As for the parade thing: German-Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk. It is not like you are unaware that Stalin was also feeding Hitler's warmachine with resources while he was rampaging over Western Europe, right?

And, by law in a communist society, private property wouldn't be legal. Collectivized ownership of all the labor, however, would be.

Give me a source, an actual, linked source.

[Nuevo Libera]

Don't you love it when people pretend to be mind-readers?

WoOoOoOoOoh, Genivariaaa, you're thinking of delicious hot pockets right nooow, woOoOoOoOoh...

I am now! Damn you, you can read minds! Maybe not your targets', but someones!

[Neutraligon]

OK, comrade, what is your assuredly precise and feasible solution to this?

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

One of the things I think we really need to work on is the transportation of goods. The US has an overabundance of food, but we are really really bad at getting it from point A to point B, so certain areas tend not to get that food, while others have too much.

[Valrifell]

WoOoOoOoOoh, Genivariaaa, you're thinking of delicious hot pockets right nooow, woOoOoOoOoh...

I am now! Damn you, you can read minds! Maybe not your targets', but someones!

Nah, he just knows that the average person is most likely thinking about hot pockets at any given moment.

[Crazed Pirates]

OK, comrade, what is your assuredly precise and feasible solution to this?

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

So, we should cripple their industry with our cheap goods and their agriculture with our cheap food, then threaten them with withdrawing it the second they show dissent about being basically banana republics. Good work, comrade! You get the Stalin's Medal.

[Hakons]

OK, comrade, what is your assuredly precise and feasible solution to this?

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

Currently there are many international efforts that bring large scale aid to countries with limited resources that are not limited in the 1st world, and there are also many efforts to make poor nations more self reliant. Almost all of these efforts come from dirty capitalist nations.

[Genivaria]

Don't you love it when people pretend to be mind-readers?

WoOoOoOoOoh, Genivariaaa, you're thinking of delicious hot pockets right nooow, woOoOoOoOoh...

I prefer pizza rolls.

[Torrocca]

WoOoOoOoOoh, Genivariaaa, you're thinking of delicious hot pockets right nooow, woOoOoOoOoh...

I am now! Damn you, you can read minds! Maybe not your targets', but someones!

You've fallen right into my trap card, mwuahahahaha!

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

So, we should cripple their industry with our cheap goods and their agriculture with our cheap food, then threaten them with withdrawing it the second they show dissent about being basically banana republics. Good work, comrade! You get the Stalin's Medal.

I guess the part where they receive assistance to improve their industry, agriculture, and medicinal centers that I clearly mentioned flew over your head.

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

One of the things I think we really need to work on is the transportation of goods. The US has an overabundance of food, but we are really really bad at getting it from point A to point B, so certain areas tend not to get that food, while others have too much.

Yeah, that's a big hurdle to cross, but, honestly? If we had a much more concentrated effort on helping those countries that are being left in the dirt, I'm confident we could overcome that hurdle.

[Liriena]

If you're going to defend Nazis, at least be honest about it.

If you're going to call everyone who doesn't like what the Antifa is doing (I know I'm not) Nazis, let's both be honest about it.

I'm not calling you a Nazi. I don't even know you. But you are defending the actual Nazis who were in Charlottesville by trying to play the "you're just as bad" card.

Say what you will about antifa, but as far as I know they don't worship traitors who fought for a slaver rogue state, nor a genocidal anti-semitic German tyrant.

[Nuevo Libera]

I am now! Damn you, you can read minds! Maybe not your targets', but someones!

Nah, he just knows that the average person is most likely thinking about hot pockets at any given moment.

Didn't some dubious study claim men were thinking about sex every seven seconds or so?

[Isentria]

You want the full list of socialists committing acts of terrorism and then starting civil wars and the numerous atrocities carried out by socialists in pursuit of their goals? I mean because that is a long list. We can start with the Red Terror (USSR), Red Terror (Spain), Cambodian Genocide, St Nedelya Church assault, the Great Terror, assassination of William McKinley, LA Times Bombing, Wall Street Bombing, assassination of Tsar Alexander II. That's a small piece of the pie.

If we say advocating for socialism is violence, can we finally say advocating for capitalism is violence too?

Advocating for socialism is by itself not violence, but the implementation of socialism in the end leads to violence and grand theft.

But if you want to play that game of numbers, communism managed to kill more than those alleged "94 million capitalism killed".
To make things more apparent, the communist induced deaths were the cause of mainly communist forces rising to power, horrible implementations of communist policies (collectivization and the Death by Starvation for instance) etc.
Most of the issues of capitalism are not it's own, but exist in extremely broken countries, with high corruption, civil war, and who have had traces of communist rule or insurrection upon them.

[Torrocca]

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

Currently there are many international efforts that bring large scale aid to countries with limited resources that are not limited in the 1st world, and there are also many efforts to make poor nations more self reliant. Almost all of these efforts come from dirty capitalist nations.

It's very clear, then, that the effort's not enough.

WoOoOoOoOoh, Genivariaaa, you're thinking of delicious hot pockets right nooow, woOoOoOoOoh...

I prefer pizza rolls.

Uh... WoOoOoh, you're now thinking of cute puppieees! WoOoOoh...

[Hakons]

Private property as in the Communist definition of it: the, currently, privately owned means of production.
By all legal means, the means of production are in their legal owner's hands currently, to try to seize them is theft.

As for the parade thing: German-Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk. It is not like you are unaware that Stalin was also feeding Hitler's warmachine with resources while he was rampaging over Western Europe, right?

And, by law in a communist society, private property wouldn't be legal. Collectivized ownership of all the labor, however, would be.

Give me a source, an actual, linked source.

There is no theft because there is no private property.

The Holocaust was not genocide because Jews weren't people.

[Genivaria]

I am now! Damn you, you can read minds! Maybe not your targets', but someones!

You've fallen right into my trap card, mwuahahahaha!

You've activated MY Trap Card!

And, by law in a communist society, private property wouldn't be legal. Collectivized ownership of all the labor, however, would be.

Give me a source, an actual, linked source.

There is no theft because there is no private property.

The Holocaust was not genocide because Jews weren't people.

^This is legit Ayn Rand logic no joke.

[Crazed Pirates]

Improve international efforts to bring wide-scale aid to those countries that do not have the resources that first world nations have a startling overabundance of and, at the same time, work to enact policies within those countries to ensure that, eventually, they can reliably sustain themselves without a wide scale effort to be aided.

Currently there are many international efforts that bring large scale aid to countries with limited resources that are not limited in the 1st world, and there are also many efforts to make poor nations more self reliant. Almost all of these efforts come from dirty capitalist nations.

And we know how well these work (one example - a volunteer advices a local farmer to use fertilizers, the farmer heeds his advice. 10x yields, tons of money. Second year - same. Third year, the volunteer leaves, the farmer spends all his money on knickknacks ad goes farming the old way)

[Torrocca]

And, by law in a communist society, private property wouldn't be legal. Collectivized ownership of all the labor, however, would be.

Give me a source, an actual, linked source.

There is no theft because there is no private property.

The Holocaust was not genocide because Jews weren't people.

The means of production = living, breathing people, apparently.