Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Vassenor]

But it's totally self defence to kill leftists.

May not be self defense, but it is a civil service.

I do not follow your logic. Killing people for having different political views to you is kind of stupidly despicable.

[Liriena]

But it's totally self defence to kill leftists.

May not be self defense, but it is a civil service.

Are you saying it'd be a "civil service" to murder me for being a socialist? And for what reason? I'm genuinely curious.

[Ostroeuropa]

1. It happens.

2. "Blatant provocation by invading spaces where they are not wanted " = violence. This is essentially my point that you and other progressives believe this constitutes violence, and how the consequence of that is that a core part of the ideology is violent disruption of protest. As for PR savvy, they're openly fascist, so no I don't really think so.

3. You're not interested in noticing a pattern of behavior you mean. I think it's an apt point.

2. Yes, I do see some value in the idea that violence can also include actions and expressions other than the act of physically assaulting or murdering someone. Specially when a lot of physical violence has been the direct result of forms of this non-physical idea of violence.

2. Whats your criteria for defining when this should apply?

[The Black Forrest]

May not be self defense, but it is a civil service.

Are you saying it'd be a "civil service" to murder me for being a socialist? And for what reason? I'm genuinely curious.

Don't take the bait.

[Bannedbytomorrow]

May not be self defense, but it is a civil service.

I do not follow your logic. Killing people for having different political views to you is kind of stupidly despicable.

Yes you do, deep down, you don't want to convince national socialists and white supremacists of your beliefs, you just want to get rid of them. It's a natural feeling. Things have been killing each other since the dawn of time, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Vassenor]

I do not follow your logic. Killing people for having different political views to you is kind of stupidly despicable.

Yes you do, deep down, you don't want to convince national socialists and white supremacists of your beliefs, you just want to get rid of them. It's a natural feeling. Things have been killing each other since the dawn of time, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Please stop telling me how to think. Killing people for their beliefs isn't just stupidly wrong, it's unnecessary.

[Bannedbytomorrow]

Yes you do, deep down, you don't want to convince national socialists and white supremacists of your beliefs, you just want to get rid of them. It's a natural feeling. Things have been killing each other since the dawn of time, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Please stop telling me how to think. Killing people for their beliefs isn't just stupidly wrong, it's unnecessary.

I'm not telling you how to think. I'm pointing out how you think.

[Vassenor]

Please stop telling me how to think. Killing people for their beliefs isn't just stupidly wrong, it's unnecessary.

I'm not telling you how to think. I'm pointing out how you think.

You don't know squat about how I think. So yes, you're telling me how to think.

[The Black Forrest]

Yes you do, deep down, you don't want to convince national socialists and white supremacists of your beliefs, you just want to get rid of them. It's a natural feeling. Things have been killing each other since the dawn of time, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Please stop telling me how to think. Killing people for their beliefs isn't just stupidly wrong, it's unnecessary.

You too. Don't take the bait.

[Ostroeuropa]

I do not follow your logic. Killing people for having different political views to you is kind of stupidly despicable.

Yes you do, deep down, you don't want to convince national socialists and white supremacists of your beliefs, you just want to get rid of them. It's a natural feeling. Things have been killing each other since the dawn of time, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

I see you don't play the undead factions very often. Gooble gobble and such.

[Bannedbytomorrow]

I'm not telling you how to think. I'm pointing out how you think.

You don't know squat about how I think. So yes, you're telling me how to think.

I guess I should have entertained the possibility that someone who thinks that they're supposed to be a woman may have taken leave of their natural instincts.

[Bannedbytomorrow]

Yes you do, deep down, you don't want to convince national socialists and white supremacists of your beliefs, you just want to get rid of them. It's a natural feeling. Things have been killing each other since the dawn of time, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

I see you don't play the undead factions very often. Gooble gobble and such.

i dont get it

[Nuevo Libera]

Man, whatever happened to being nice to other people, especially getting along with someone despite their political opinions. (There are some exceptions to this, I believe, but not as severe as "kill those who disagree")


It sure is a sign where this country is headed that whether someone ramming their car into a group of harmless pedestrians being a bad thing is even debatable.


We're all human.

[Napkiraly]

1. It happens.

2. "Blatant provocation by invading spaces where they are not wanted " = violence. This is essentially my point that you and other progressives believe this constitutes violence, and how the consequence of that is that a core part of the ideology is violent disruption of protest. As for PR savvy, they're openly fascist, so no I don't really think so.

3. You're not interested in noticing a pattern of behavior you mean. I think it's an apt point.

2. Yes, I do see some value in the idea that violence can also include actions and expressions other than the act of physically assaulting or murdering someone. Specially when a lot of physical violence has been the direct result of forms of this non-physical idea of violence.

Considering the amount of violence that has been done in the name of socialism, does that mean we can say advocating for socialism is violence?

[The Black Forrest]

2. Yes, I do see some value in the idea that violence can also include actions and expressions other than the act of physically assaulting or murdering someone. Specially when a lot of physical violence has been the direct result of forms of this non-physical idea of violence.

Considering the amount of violence that has been done in the name of socialism, does that mean we can say advocating for socialism is violence?

How much?

[Ostroeuropa]

I see you don't play the undead factions very often. Gooble gobble and such.

i dont get it

In memetic terms, assimilation is more beneficial to the survival and spread of an idea or viewpoint, as it gains another platform host and replicator.

This is also why the whole "Kill the enemy" notion is less fit to survive and has been displaced by the competitor "Assimilate", evolution in action.

The genocidal impulse is an untermensch in the realm of ideas, if that helps you understand it.

[Zeinbrad]

Ostro and Nap, what do you gain from defending this man who hit a crowd not once but twice and killed someone?

It's odd and kinda telling that you are willing to defend someone of murder. If he was acting in self defense, he also didn't have to turn around.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Man, whatever happened to being nice to other people, especially getting along with someone despite their political opinions. (There are some exceptions to this, I believe, but not as severe as "kill those who disagree")


It sure is a sign where this country is headed that whether someone ramming their car into a group of harmless pedestrians is a bad thing or not.


We're all human.

I fully agree.

Everyone needs to calm down. This is just crazyness.

[Liriena]

I do not follow your logic. Killing people for having different political views to you is kind of stupidly despicable.

Yes you do, deep down, you don't want to convince national socialists and white supremacists of your beliefs, you just want to get rid of them. It's a natural feeling. Things have been killing each other since the dawn of time, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

I'd very much rather we rehabilitated all racist scum, but if I see them intimidating others, invading college campuses and city streets, and harassing innocent people online, I have few qualms with someone who decides to deliver a good punch to their faces.

2. Yes, I do see some value in the idea that violence can also include actions and expressions other than the act of physically assaulting or murdering someone. Specially when a lot of physical violence has been the direct result of forms of this non-physical idea of violence.

2. Whats your criteria for defining when this should apply?

I honestly don't have a criteria set in stone for that. I don't think I'm familiar enough with the academic work that speaks about to make any definitive claims.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They guy was charged with second degree murder, so no.

Yes, but if it comes out there is evidence that he was being attacked I guarantee his defense lawyers will be pushing for a manslaughter conviction.

Thats a big if.

[Nuevo Libera]

Man, whatever happened to being nice to other people, especially getting along with someone despite their political opinions. (There are some exceptions to this, I believe, but not as severe as "kill those who disagree")


It sure is a sign where this country is headed that whether someone ramming their car into a group of harmless pedestrians is a bad thing or not.


We're all human.

I fully agree.

Everyone needs to calm down. This is just crazyness.

It's like something I saw earlier in the thread, nobody's trying to be a decent human anymore. I like you. You're a good kid.

Ostro and Nap, what do you gain from defending this man who hit a crowd not once but twice and killed someone?

It's odd and kinda telling that you are willing to defend someone of murder. If he was acting in self defense, he also didn't have to turn around.

They're probably bait but if not I'm dying to hear their explanations.

[Liriena]

2. Yes, I do see some value in the idea that violence can also include actions and expressions other than the act of physically assaulting or murdering someone. Specially when a lot of physical violence has been the direct result of forms of this non-physical idea of violence.

Considering the amount of violence that has been done in the name of socialism, does that mean we can say advocating for socialism is violence?

Dude, you could say that about every single ideology. I mean, liberalism was founded on decapitations and tea-vandalism, monarchism gave us endless wars of succession, conservatism is the master of violently suppressing everything new and weird, and even Buddhism somehow manages to have a violent history of its own.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ostro and Nap, what do you gain from defending this man who hit a crowd not once but twice and killed someone?

It's odd and kinda telling that you are willing to defend someone of murder. If he was acting in self defense, he also didn't have to turn around.

If we didn't defend him it would be up to nazis to do it and they don't seem up to the job, so it wouldn't be a very good discussion. For another, i am disturbed by the progressive attempt to cast themselves as a moral side in this conflict. This was the eastern front in WW2, not a clash between heaven and hell.

Denying the progressives on this forum an opportunity to act like this is something fascists do rather than something political authoritarians and extremists do (Like many progressives) is also worthwhile since it undermines the whole with us or with them attitude that tends to be fostered otherwise.

No, hey guys, allies here, you're both terrible ideologies.

[Napkiraly]

Considering the amount of violence that has been done in the name of socialism, does that mean we can say advocating for socialism is violence?

How much?

You want the full list of socialists committing acts of terrorism and then starting civil wars and the numerous atrocities carried out by socialists in pursuit of their goals? I mean because that is a long list. We can start with the Red Terror (USSR), Red Terror (Spain), Cambodian Genocide, St Nedelya Church assault, the Great Terror, assassination of William McKinley, LA Times Bombing, Wall Street Bombing, assassination of Tsar Alexander II. That's a small piece of the pie.

[Torrocca]

How much?

You want the full list of socialists committing acts of terrorism and then starting civil wars and the numerous atrocities carried out by socialists in pursuit of their goals? I mean because that is a long list. We can start with the Red Terror (USSR), Red Terror (Spain), Cambodian Genocide, St Nedelya Church assault, the Great Terror, assassination of William McKinley, LA Times Bombing, Wall Street Bombing, assassination of Tsar Alexander II. That's a small piece of the pie.

If we say advocating for socialism is violence, can we finally say advocating for capitalism is violence too?