Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Germanic Templars]

Which you did poorly, because it made it look as if you were saying they only get killed because they are Muslim (enter your Wikipedia article over Islamaphobia).

Actually, yes, sometimes. In Torroca's source, the motives of the criminals are quoted. And some or most of them were because they were either Muslim, looked Muslim (Sikhs get beat up too because stupid people can't tell the difference), or had brown skin and/or Middle Eastern or South Asian features.

You know why those have become more frequent?

What point is there to discuss, especially at this point?

What I am being convinced, more so by your wikipedia article and by what you are saying, that Islam is a religion being persecuted, disregarding the Christians in Muslim majority countries being forced out from their homes, or having their churches (fire) bombed.

Lol how? How does speaking about one type of persecution disregard other kinds?

Because the persecution of Muslims because of "islamaphobia". Because the "ebil west" is being mean to the poor Muslim immigrants. And some how mainstream media manages to turn a blind eye to the Christians in Muslim majority countries being killed.

[Luminesa]

...Fam, would you like some hot chocolate? Or maybe some tea? You might need to take a few chill pills. :/

I'll take a break. This is getting to me.

It happens to everyone fam. Again, nice hot cup of tea works for anxiety and frustration.

[Seangoli]

Because the persecution of Muslims because of "islamaphobia". Because the "ebil west" is being mean to the poor Muslim immigrants. And some how mainstream media manages to turn a blind eye to the Christians in Muslim majority countries being killed.

Here's a novel thought:

We talk about the issue in our damn country because they are problems arising in our damn country, and we talk less about what's going on in other countries because they are other countries.

It's fucking shocking, I know.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You know why those have become more frequent?

You're trying to back me in a corner, are you.
Because some people have this ridiculous need to be prejudiced to a whole community because of what a few people do.

What I am being convinced, more so by your wikipedia article and by what you are saying, that Islam is a religion being persecuted, disregarding the Christians in Muslim majority countries being forced out from their homes, or having their churches (fire) bombed.

Lol how? How does speaking about one type of persecution disregard other kinds?

Because the persecution of Muslims because of "islamaphobia". Because the "ebil west" is being mean to the poor Muslim immigrants.

Well...

And some how mainstream media manages to turn a blind eye to the Christians in Muslim majority countries being killed.

You must've not watched TV then. CNN had a whole report about Yazidis being flown out by helicopter from ISIS held territory.
Also, you didn't really answer my question:

How does speaking about one type of persecution disregard other kinds?

[Minzerland II]

Because the persecution of Muslims because of "islamaphobia". Because the "ebil west" is being mean to the poor Muslim immigrants. And some how mainstream media manages to turn a blind eye to the Christians in Muslim majority countries being killed.

Here's a novel thought:

We talk about the issue in our damn country because they are problems arising in our damn country, and we talk less about what's going on in other countries because they are other countries.

It's fucking shocking, I know.

And abandon our fellows to persecution at the hands of our enemies? What if the victims were your countrymen? Ignoring issues in other countries is easier said than done, especially if you're the foremost superpower.

[Seangoli]

Here's a novel thought:

We talk about the issue in our damn country because they are problems arising in our damn country, and we talk less about what's going on in other countries because they are other countries.

It's fucking shocking, I know.

And abandon our fellows to persecution at the hands of our enemies? What if the victims were your countrymen? Ignoring issues in other countries is easier said than done, especially if you're the foremost superpower.

So, you do realize that there are muslim militias that are currently fighting to protect said christians from ISIS, correct? That the world of geopolitics is more complicated than "Muslims are killing ze christians cuz they are christians, and muslims are ebil!"

That said, I was speaking only to why one hears more of islamophobia in the west than persecution of Christians in the east. Simply put, the vast majority of any and all news is centered around one's own country, which is somehow shocking to some. It's the same damn reason you don't hear much about local issues in any of the European countries if you are from the US, or know anything about the policies of Japan if you are from France.

I also don't accept the argument that "These people do it worse" as a justifying reason for us to allow shitty things to occur in our country. Sure, Christians have it worse in the middle east than Muslims have it in the US. That doesn't mean that treating Muslims like shit because they are Muslims is somehow acceptable, so long as we aren't as bad as them. It's bullshittery at its finest.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And abandon our fellows to persecution at the hands of our enemies?

Who is "our fellows" and who is "our enemies"?

[Seangoli]

And abandon our fellows to persecution at the hands of our enemies?

Who is "our fellows" and who is "our enemies"?

You know what, I'm just going to preemptively give a retort to them with this:

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/in ... 64584.html

Edit: Even Hezbollah has been training Christians and working with them to fight ISIS

http://www.christianpost.com/news/they- ... on-138975/

[Germanic Templars]

You know why those have become more frequent?

You're trying to back me in a corner, are you.
Because some people have this ridiculous need to be prejudiced to a whole community because of what a few people do.

Lol how? How does speaking about one type of persecution disregard other kinds?

Because the persecution of Muslims because of "islamaphobia". Because the "ebil west" is being mean to the poor Muslim immigrants.

Well...

And some how mainstream media manages to turn a blind eye to the Christians in Muslim majority countries being killed.

You must've not watched TV then. CNN had a whole report about Yazidis being flown out by helicopter from ISIS held territory.
Also, you didn't really answer my question:

Of course I don't watch TV, it's boring and I dont own one.

Thus enter a laptop. And Yazidis.. That's it? What about the Coptics in Egypt? Or the Christians in Nigeria?

Boko Harem has been killing Christians in Nigeria, and plan to kill them all.

How does speaking about one type of persecution disregard other kinds?

Dunno, you tell me.

[Minzerland II]

And abandon our fellows to persecution at the hands of our enemies? What if the victims were your countrymen? Ignoring issues in other countries is easier said than done, especially if you're the foremost superpower.

So, you do realize that there are muslim militias that are currently fighting to protect said christians from ISIS, correct? That the world of geopolitics is more complicated than "Muslims are killing ze christians cuz they are christians, and muslims are ebil!"

So, why not lend them our aid and assistance?

That said, I was speaking only to why one hears more of islamophobia in the west than persecution of Christians in the east. Simply put, the vast majority of any and all news is centered around one's own country, which is somehow shocking to some. It's the same damn reason you don't hear much about local issues in any of the European countries if you are from the US, or know anything about the policies of Japan if you from France.

In Australia, although news is centred primarily on Australia, as you rightly assert, the media has a certain proclivity for reporting on issues around the world that are unrelated to Australia: a certain proclivity to cherry pick Trumps 'Muslim Ban' but to ignore the persecution of Christians and other minorities in Muslim countries.

And abandon our fellows to persecution at the hands of our enemies?

Who is "our fellows"

Christians, Muslims, soldiers of my country and its allies, innocents, etc.

and who is "our enemies"?

ISIS and their allies.

[Corrian]

I am amazed this thread is still alive

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Thus enter a laptop. And Yazidis.. That's it? What about the Coptics in Egypt? Or the Christians in Nigeria?

I've heard/read about what is happening in those countries and it's saddening.

Boko Harem has been killing Christians in Nigeria, and plan to kill them all.

Idk if your sources go against you, but cruxnow.com says "Nigeria's Boko Haram Islamic extremists have a new leader who is threatening to bomb churches and kill Christians while ending attacks on mosques and markets used by ordinary Muslims, representing a major shift in strategy for the Nigerian extremists who have killed more Muslims than Christians in attacks in mosques with suicide bombers and gunmen." Also, your wiki article shows that Boko Haram has attacked masajid too.

Dunno, you tell me.

I can't, because I don't think I have to talk about every injustice ever when I speak about I kind.

[Seangoli]

So, why not lend them our aid and assistance?

The fundemental problem is that the regional politics of the Middle East are often simplified and boiled down, to the point where people don't even realize that there are active unified efforts from most major Muslims countries working to quell ISIS. Simply put, by painting it as Christians being persecuted by Muslims, you are white-washing the situation and ignoring the fact that many Muslim groups, even historic conservative and hard lined groups, are aligning themselves with Christians and other minorities to fight ISIS.

Simply put, the situation with ISIS and other countries is vastly more complicated than "Christians are being persecuted!" It ignores the active efforts by the local and regional communities that are trying to protect said groups, including risking their own lives. The rhetoric makes enemies out of people that are actively fighting our enemies, and that carries weight.

In Australia, although news is centred primarily on Australia, as you rightly assert, the media has a certain proclivity for reporting on issues around the world that are unrelated to Australia: a certain proclivity to cherry pick Trumps 'Muslim Ban' but to ignore the persecution of Christians and other minorities in Muslim countries.

I will say that I find it somewhat ironic that Australians would get in a tiffy over Trump's Muslim travel ban, given that Australia from my understanding has some of the strictest travel and immigration laws in the "west", if you will. Still, the politics of the US are just at the forefront of the world more often than Nigeria, Afghanistan, or other such minor nations. One is a leading world power and forefront to politics in the West, and the others are simply not. As far as the US is concerned, however, I just never find the argument "Well, they do it worse over there" as a good reason to allow us to do shitty things, under the premise that we aren't as bad.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I am amazed this thread is still alive

I know right.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I will say that I find it somewhat ironic that Australians would get in a tiffy over Trump's Muslim travel ban, given that Australia from my understanding has some of the strictest travel and immigration laws in the "west", if you will. [...]

Well, it needs to be said, we don't ban Muslims from coming to Australia; we simply, as you said, "have some of the strictest travel and immigration laws in the 'west'" — that's not really ironic. Also, as far as I know, or have heard, the "Muslim ban" wasn't banning Muslims; merely those from certain countries (that being said, you could say that the intention was a Muslim ban).

[Empire of Cats]

I am amazed this thread is still alive

I know right.

I wasn't expecting this much interest when I started it.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I know right.

I wasn't expecting this much interest when I started it.

I was expecting this to only hit around 20-50 pages.

[Mattopilos II]

I wasn't expecting this much interest when I started it.

I was expecting this to only hit around 20-50 pages.

We are talking about groups that a prominent not only in the streets but also very large on the internet. Also, politics.

[Blasted Craigs]

I am amazed this thread is still alive

I know right.

It will live as the horcrux for it exists.
When the horcrux threads tied to it dies, so will it.

[Republican Corentia]

Reminder there are socialists fighting islamofascists in the Middle East right now. What is the right-wing "traditionalist" or ""identitarian"" movement doing to save people from the brutality of essentially U.S.-fueled Islamic terror groups? Nothing.

[Seangoli]

Reminder there are socialists fighting islamofascists in the Middle East right now. What is the right-wing "traditionalist" or ""identitarian"" movement doing to save people from the brutality of essentially U.S.-fueled Islamic terror groups? Nothing.

Fuck, there are Muslims fighting ISIS right now.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

We are talking about groups that a prominent not only in the streets but also very large on the internet. Also, politics.

So? There have been other topics on the manner, yet I haven't seen any get to 200.

[Mattopilos II]

We are talking about groups that a prominent not only in the streets but also very large on the internet. Also, politics.

So? There have been other topics on the manner, yet I haven't seen any get to 200.

It was a large event, and politics is being polarized by the day. I honestly don't get the huge surprise from it.

[Vassenor]

Reminder there are socialists fighting islamofascists in the Middle East right now. What is the right-wing "traditionalist" or ""identitarian"" movement doing to save people from the brutality of essentially U.S.-fueled Islamic terror groups? Nothing.

That's pretty much my go-to when people moan about the refugees all being "fighting age males" (without providing data to support that) - "If it's so easy to fight, why aren't you over there doing it too?"

[Vassenor]

In any case I think we've found a better weapon for dealing with the Neo-Nazi rallies.

Vuvuzelas.