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by Elhazia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:22 am
by Minoa » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:12 am
Minoa wrote:Minoa the News Owl has caught the Daily Stormer moving its services … to Google: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-virgin ... KKCN1AU0DC
I don't think it may last long.
Meanwhile, Cloudflare has acknowledge the complaints but isn't saying whether or not it is severing ties with TDS.
by -Ocelot- » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:37 am
Elhazia wrote:The thing is very simple.
Everyone has the right to protest (regardless of ideology).
No one has the right to be violent.
by Omnonia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:47 am
-Ocelot- wrote:This kind of attitude is why neo-Nazism has gotten so big the last decade. By ignoring hate groups, you normalize their violent dogma and allow them to recruit more people into their ranks. When you allow neo-Nazis march freely, you basically declare that violent ideologies are as normal as non-violent ideologies. Fanatics get bold and they end up killing people.
by Dushan » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:22 am
Dushan wrote:Both sides very aggressive and violent, trying to attack each other physically. Often enough Journalists and Civilian bystanders get physically assaulted and property (such as Cars) damaged.
Despite a lot of Hate speech laws, a culture of politcally motivated Street Violence has been developed.
Dushan wrote:...Members of the Antifa and Neonazi Subcultures (they're essentially more sub-cultures than actual political groups) are in a constant State of private War against each other. Physically harassing and Assaulting each other whenever they get the chance. The Authorities and the Political establishment are merely tolerating this for their own reasons and issues...
by Omnonia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:39 am
Dushan wrote:Eurotrash reporting in!
Europe has already such laws and it has not prevented the development of a culture of political street-violence over the past decades.
Dushan wrote:and beforealt-left extremists burned down a part of Hamburg at the G20 summit.
by -Ocelot- » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:50 am
by Vassenor » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:30 am
by Neutraligon » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:34 am
by Geilinor » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:53 am
Neutraligon wrote:
Does that mean Pence hired this individual? Does that mean Pence was aware of this individuals opinions? Hmm more reading suggests it would be hard for Pence not to know.
by Blasted Craigs » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:55 pm
Omnonia wrote:-Ocelot- wrote:This kind of attitude is why neo-Nazism has gotten so big the last decade. By ignoring hate groups, you normalize their violent dogma and allow them to recruit more people into their ranks. When you allow neo-Nazis march freely, you basically declare that violent ideologies are as normal as non-violent ideologies. Fanatics get bold and they end up killing people.
Exactly. The right to state one's opinion in public must depend on whether that opinion is compatible with a free, democratic society based in human rights. If it isn't, then there should not be a right to express it in public, and laws should be able to be passes to arrest, try, and sentence people doing so. If the police and legal system can round them up and lock them up, you no longer incite private citizens to take to the street and beat them up in acts of vigilantism.
The First Amendment simply goes too far in its scope, and needs to be modified to get reined in to reasonable extents. And contrary to the Libertarian credo: Doing so will strengthen a constitutional democracy, not undermine it. Absolute freedom of speech has never been and will never be a neccessary condition for democratic states to exist - that's just Libertarian propaganda.
by Omnonia » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:11 pm
Blasted Craigs wrote:Who decides what speech is "incompatible" with a democratic society?
What standards are used?
I mean, if the standard is it may lead to harm of another being, then people speaking in support of abortion could be considered a "threat". Those that preach religion, or any religion other than the religion endorsed by those in power could be considered a threat. Hell, Nazis very much curtailed free speech in their favour when they had control circa WW2.
Any disagreement with those in power and the decisions they make could be considered threatening.
You see, the problem with curtailing speech for the harm it may bring is defining what is "harmful speech".
What is "Harmful speech" is decided by those in power, and if those in power align their views with yours, then it may seem like society is headed for a utopia. But let them disagree with you on an issue, for example, say the establishment that decides what is harmful thinks racial quotas are harmful. Now, speaking about the plight of minorities is "hate speech" and should be forbidden, because it could rile people up into a violent state.
My opinion? I like my freedom of speech, and if that means I have to hear about the glory of Talos on the street-corner to keep it, so be it.
by Tekeristan » Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:29 pm
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by Minoa » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:03 am
by Vassenor » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:24 am
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by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:52 am
by Corrian » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:54 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:People are dumb as shit, news at 11.
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:57 am
Corrian wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:People are dumb as shit, news at 11.
Your favorite VP candidate has something to say
by Corrian » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:59 am
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