Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Seangoli]

You uh... do not know anything about pre-colonial history of Africa, then.

Also, the Aboriginals lived cut off from the entirety of the world for tens pf thousands of years, and were living in one of the most marginal environments in earth. Equally, if we put you into the Australian outback, you wouldnt be able to tell your dick from the ground after a day and would be begging for help in short order as you die a slow, horrible death dehydration and starbation. Meanwhile, the Australian Aboriginals have existed in the area for 40,000 years. So tell who is the idiot there? Simply put, the form of culiture Europeans ascribed to would ne a death knell in the ecosystems that Aboroginals survived in.

Europe probably wasn't much better, considering that, since humans originated in East Africa, that they would be woefully unprepared for the freezing cold winters and massive forests. However, the Europeans did fine, so why didn't the Australians progress the way the Europeans did?

The fucking Holocene happened. The conditions in Europe follow the Pleistocene were relatively stable and temperate. There is a damn food readon why agricultire didnt arise prior to aboit 6,000 years ago. Agricultire allows sedentism and surplus of foods to ne stored. Surpluses of foods and sedentism allows you to develop and encode things such as writing. Do yoi know what Europe was like 10,000 years ago? Exactly the fucking same as everywhere else. Do yoi also know what Australia didnt get following the Holocene? A temperate, stable climate. It is a giant desert encircled by a thin strip of jungle along the coasts. Not only that, but the aorts of sedentry lifestyle lived by Europeans would be suicidal in Australia in pre Modern times. One of the reasons they never developed doen that path is because it would have been fucking stupid to do so.


Not only that, but Europe didnt develop in a vacuum. A lot of what we consider European was developed elswhere and adopted ny them. Mathematics, literature, writing, astronomy, medicine, architecture, metallurgy, and countless other concepts were developef through out the world apart from Europe. Australia did mot have that luxury in the least.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, I'm certainly not denying that the geography and climate had an effect on the intelligence on its inhabitants. In my opinion, climate is one of the most important factors in a race's intelligence, because it is much, much easier to die from the cold than the heat. Consider this. Africa is a very warm place, only dropping to an average of 16 degrees Celsius during the coldest times in the year. The Africans can hunt and grow crops all year round, because it doesn't get too cold to do so. Meanwhile in Europe, during the cold winters, it is nearly impossible to grow crops, and many animals go into hibernation until the summer. Even if you can build a fire, or a shelter, you might still die from the cold. As a result, it is a lot easier to die in Europe than it is in Africa. Because of Europe's unforgiving climate, the less intelligent Europeans died off early, while the smarter ones survived, because they could survive the cold.

TLDR: The cold sped up the evolution of Asians and Europeans.

I'm sorry back up.
Did you just claim that the African climate and geography is actually EASIER then European?
*full face-desk*

Civilization fucking FLOURISHED in Europe because of the temperate climate and abundant natural resources as well as several inland rivers.
HOW can you have this so backwards?

Well, to be fair Africa also had temperate climates along the river deltas, and it does make sense that we do find their most advanced civilizations around a river and not in the middle of the jungle.

Having access to bodies of water does help with technology and social advances.

[Staniel]

I see you're dismissing the fact of whites being killed more than blacks and that black-on-black violence affects the black community more than measly police killing numbers.

"I see you're throwing several red herrings at me."

Oh, yeah, my bad, that was from Benuty's argument...I keep forgetting things a lot. But my other point about black racial bias still stands.

[Crockerland]

Certainly not, but I'm not the one trying to argue that some "races" are "genetically superior".

You putting "things" in "quotes" really "makes" you look "smarter." If there are not races that are superior to another, how come one race managed to dominate nearly the entire world?

A handful of empires (specifically Spain, England/Britain, Portugal, France, Denmark, Japan, Russia, Germany, and the Ottoman Empire) managed to dominate the entire world, most of them were white in racial makeup because white people live in Europe, where there is a lot of arable land allowing them to grow crops including barley, grapes, raspberries, chestnuts, radishes, turnups, and carrots, among others. Other locations with plenty of useful crop-growing land, such as East Asia (Japanese Empire, Chinese Empires), the Americas (Mississippian culture, Inca Empire, Aztec Empire, Mayan Empire) or West Asia (Assyria, Islamic Caliphates, Ottoman Empire) also had very successful nations; Places like Mauritania, Nunavut, or Botswana obviously aren't going to be able to produce successful empires, simply because they don't have useful land for agriculture, that has nothing to do with race.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Gang culture is a pretty serious problem in all low income communities.

ok thanks, sources that gang culture causes white people to become prejudiced instead of pre existing prejudices and sterotypes based on archetypes of race?

I wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that yes it is something that's plaguing those communities.

Though it probably doesn't help with how others view people from said community.

[Seangoli]

Your claim that some races were 'intellectually superior' based on race instead of say societal differences based on geography.

Well, I'm certainly not denying that the geography and climate had an effect on the intelligence on its inhabitants. In my opinion, climate is one of the most important factors in a race's intelligence, because it is much, much easier to die from the cold than the heat. Consider this. Africa is a very warm place, only dropping to an average of 16 degrees Celsius during the coldest times in the year. The Africans can hunt and grow crops all year round, because it doesn't get too cold to do so. Meanwhile in Europe, during the cold winters, it is nearly impossible to grow crops, and many animals go into hibernation until the summer. Even if you can build a fire, or a shelter, you might still die from the cold. As a result, it is a lot easier to die in Europe than it is in Africa. Because of Europe's unforgiving climate, the less intelligent Europeans died off early, while the smarter ones survived, because they could survive the cold.

TLDR: The cold sped up the evolution of Asians and Europeans.

Huge portions of Africa are jungles, as it is a defined trait of Sub-Saharan Africa.

Do you know anything about Jungle soils and their qualities for agriculture? I do. They are complete shit.

[Sovaal]

If you're point isn't that Mongols are the master-race, then I think you need a new history book.

I guess the mongols where just better horsemen.

Yes, I'm aware that it's a lot easier to be smug than to address my statement. You both know that I'm talking about the European domination of the globe, but you know that you won't be able to argue against it, so you resort to mockery.

I would make a jab at the mockery part, but nah.

The Europeans had nothing special about them due to genetics. Instead, I would put them being a part of the Silk road, having numerous ports and shipbuilders, and focusing on exploration when said silk road was blocked for them. In other terms circumstance.

[Valrifell]

ok thanks, sources that gang culture causes white people to become prejudiced instead of pre existing prejudices and sterotypes based on archetypes of race?

I wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that yes it is something that's plaguing those communities.

Though it probably doesn't help with how others view people from said community.

I think gang culture is more of a result of poor conditions in those people groups rather than a cause. I mean, if the only reasonably successful people are those that had a history of gang-affiliation, then it only stands to reason that those people would be looked up to in some degree by some people.

[The Hyacinth Flower]

alright guys, i think the thread has been derailed enough, can we focus on how nazi ideology is inherently violent because its theoretical framework is based in extermination and genocide( unlike other ideologies that dont advocate for genetic extermination as part of their praxis), hence ppl who adhere to this are more likely to commit deadly and heinous actions?

i dont think saying nazis are inherently bad is and they shouldnt be defended under any pretext ( like ¨they atacked first¨, or ¨its both sides fault¨ ) ESPECIALLY when one of them literally killed someone with a car and rammed into a group of peaceful protesters should be a a controversial position to have

[Thermodolia]

Dude I'm not white. I'm a mixed race American. It's not an irrational conclusion to think that LGBT kids being forced out of their homes has nothing to do with white privilege

it doesnt have anything to do with white privilege, you are the one who is making the irrational conclusion that mentioning privilege and white privilege means any from of oppression is a direct response to white privilege, this has things to do with straight privilege and cis privilege, besides being a mixed race latin means nothing, you can still be a white latin and have parents who are both white and black (like me) this further shows ur deep lack of understanding of racial relationships and power structures, maybe u should take a break from this one

When did I say I was Latin? I'm a yank. I'm part Native American, Seminole and Muskogee. You're original post blamed white privilege for LGBT kids getting kicked out. To which I responded that it's silly to think that. I'm not saying that privilege doesn't exist because it definitely does. I just saying that religious dicks are the cause of people getting kicked out not privilege.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that yes it is something that's plaguing those communities.

Though it probably doesn't help with how others view people from said community.

I think gang culture is more of a result of poor conditions in those people groups rather than a cause. I mean, if the only reasonably successful people are those that had a history of gang-affiliation, then it only stands to reason that those people would be looked up to in some degree by some people.

Can confirm. It was certainly that way when I was growing up.

Said culture really does suck though, looking back on it and all.

[The Hyacinth Flower]

ok thanks, sources that gang culture causes white people to become prejudiced instead of pre existing prejudices and sterotypes based on archetypes of race?

I wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that yes it is something that's plaguing those communities.

Though it probably doesn't help with how others view people from said community.

the original comment was about how gang culture makes people be prejudiced against black people, because now the reason they are prejudiced is bc of blm, nonetheless ur last comment is a fire light, are you going to make th claim or not? because either way im gonna need sources

[Thermodolia]

This is just as stupid as the guy who believes that some races are genetically stupid. Saying that white privilege is the cause of all social ills is just as bad as saying that it's all the Jews fault. You're trying to find something to blame instead of fixing the actual problem.

Thing about white privilege is that it was originally meant to be an explanation for the social components that are problematic and the differences in culture and perception of the mainstream from different racial angles, same as other privileges like socioeconomic class, sexual orientation, and so on.

It doesn't mean there's a person or a race to blame, that's taking it too far, I'd agree.

I agree. It's why I like to say ease of living instead of privilege. Because that's really what it is. Certain classes, sexual orientations, genders, and races definitely have an easier life than others

[Staniel]

Hence why I said more. I realized that there was a black racial bias because of the "No Snitch/gang" culture" that plagues the black community to this day.

Snitches get stitches isn't unique to black communities, that's just seemingly an American thing at this point.

Ah, well, thanks for that insight, although I haven't seen it as much as in the black community, imo.

[The Hyacinth Flower]

it doesnt have anything to do with white privilege, you are the one who is making the irrational conclusion that mentioning privilege and white privilege means any from of oppression is a direct response to white privilege, this has things to do with straight privilege and cis privilege, besides being a mixed race latin means nothing, you can still be a white latin and have parents who are both white and black (like me) this further shows ur deep lack of understanding of racial relationships and power structures, maybe u should take a break from this one

When did I say I was Latin? I'm a yank. I'm part Native American, Seminole and Muskogee. You're original post blamed white privilege for LGBT kids getting kicked out. To which I responded that it's silly to think that. I'm not saying that privilege doesn't exist because it definitely does. I just saying that religious dicks are the cause of people getting kicked out not privilege.

ok sorry for assuming ur ehtnicity but my original post didnt blame white privilege over trans ppl getting kicked out of homeless shelter i mentioned how homelessness affects everyone, but there are still privileges even within people who are homeless like cis people having access to some ( v big) homeless shelter where trans ppl are systematically punished, and claiming that white privilege cant exist in homelessness isnt contradictory and that it cancels out is not knowing what ure talking about bc i said cis ppl have cis privilege when they are homeless, so white people can have white privilege when they are homeless

[Valrifell]

Snitches get stitches isn't unique to black communities, that's just seemingly an American thing at this point.

Ah, well, thanks for that insight, although I haven't seen it as much as in the black community, imo.

It's just a high-crime-rate area thing, really.

Personally, I suspect the Mafia brought it over, but I have no proof to back up that assertion other than stereotypical mafiamen in media.

[Staniel]

alright guys, i think the thread has been derailed enough, can we focus on how nazi ideology is inherently violent because its theoretical framework is based in extermination and genocide( unlike other ideologies that dont advocate for genetic extermination as part of their praxis), hence ppl who adhere to this are more likely to commit deadly and heinous actions?

i dont think saying nazis are inherently bad is and they shouldnt be defended under any pretext ( like ¨they atacked first¨, or ¨its both sides fault¨ ) ESPECIALLY when one of them literally killed someone with a car and rammed into a group of peaceful protesters should be a a controversial position to have

I agree that the topic derailed about snitch culture, Sub-Saharan African races, and whatnot. Come on, guys (although I'm one of the culprits).

[Arkinesia]

You mean the concept with varying degrees of acceptance in academic circles that tends to trigger a lot of white fragility when brought up?

Where is the "fragility" in being angry when an entire group of people are demonized based upon their skin, they're stepped-on and branded as evil by much of academia, and everything is said to be their fault? This didn't fly with black people or with Jews, why should it fly with white people? This sort of self-loathing that is perpetuated by academia, by places like HuffPo and Tumblr, and by people who continually apologize for being white (looking at you, Katy Perry) brews nothing but hatred and resentment.

The lack of awareness of American history is fucking astounding.

Not to be a dick, but at this point you will need to read a book or two on the history of American immigration to explain why identity politics doesn't work that way in America. At the very least, start with this wikipedia article.

The only people who have historically viewed white Americans as a monolith are black nationalists and white nationalists. Everyone else recognizes that white Americans' privilege over black Americans is that white Americans can almost always identify much of their background, even to the point of tracing their families back to specific towns in Europe. Most black Americans, try as they might, can't even figure out what country their ancestors came from.

Example: most Americans would joke that I'm a mutt. I can point to, at the very least: Irish, English, Scottish, Swedish, German, French, and Dutch (specifically, Flemish Dutch) ancestry.

My last name is English by way of France, in fact I can nail it down to Suffolk specifically (and I'm no more than a third cousin to anyone sharing my surname), but on my dad's side, I can also point to Irish, Scottish, and recent Cherokee ancestry. My mom's maiden name is English, but it's an Anglicization of a Swedish surname. Her mother's maiden name is English, but her maternal grandmother was French and Dutch (modern-day Belgium in both cases, so Walloon and Flemish).

However, this experience is very uncommon, many families in the US have only one or two national backgrounds. For example, you have lots of Irish families in Boston, and in your native New Orleans, as the name suggests, a lot of French families (seeing as Louisiana was originally a French settlement).

[Washington Resistance Army]

I wasn't arguing that, I was just saying that yes it is something that's plaguing those communities.

Though it probably doesn't help with how others view people from said community.

the original comment was about how gang culture makes people be prejudiced against black people, because now the reason they are prejudiced is bc of blm, nonetheless ur last comment is a fire light, are you going to make th claim or not? because either way im gonna need sources

Am I going to make what claim? I was just throwing in my 2 cents.

Ah, well, thanks for that insight, although I haven't seen it as much as in the black community, imo.

It's just a high-crime-rate area thing, really.

Personally, I suspect the Mafia brought it over, but I have no proof to back up that assertion other than stereotypical mafiamen in media.

I think it's more just an American thing tbh. Lots of us are pretty big on loyalty and all that.

[The Hyacinth Flower]

alright guys, i think the thread has been derailed enough, can we focus on how nazi ideology is inherently violent because its theoretical framework is based in extermination and genocide( unlike other ideologies that dont advocate for genetic extermination as part of their praxis), hence ppl who adhere to this are more likely to commit deadly and heinous actions?

i dont think saying nazis are inherently bad is and they shouldnt be defended under any pretext ( like ¨they atacked first¨, or ¨its both sides fault¨ ) ESPECIALLY when one of them literally killed someone with a car and rammed into a group of peaceful protesters should be a a controversial position to have

I agree that the topic derailed about snitch culture, Sub-Saharan African races, and whatnot. Come on, guys (although I'm one of the culprits).

same, some of hte arguments put forth are so baity i feel compelled to reply, even after i made that comment, so im also a culprit

[Crockerland]

I agree that the topic derailed about snitch culture, Sub-Saharan African races, and whatnot. Come on, guys (although I'm one of the culprits).

same, some of hte arguments put forth are so baity

if being confronted with this make you jump into these irrational conclusions i think more and more the concept of white fragility becomes more real in this thread

>Throwing out racist terms like "white fragility"
>Something else is baity
Okay.

[Vassenor]

So what are we on to talking about now?

[Staniel]

same, some of hte arguments put forth are so baity

if being confronted with this make you jump into these irrational conclusions i think more and more the concept of white fragility becomes more real in this thread

>Throwing out racist terms like "white fragility"
>Something else is baity
Okay.

True.

[Genivaria]

the original comment was about how gang culture makes people be prejudiced against black people, because now the reason they are prejudiced is bc of blm, nonetheless ur last comment is a fire light, are you going to make th claim or not? because either way im gonna need sources

Am I going to make what claim? I was just throwing in my 2 cents.

It's just a high-crime-rate area thing, really.

Personally, I suspect the Mafia brought it over, but I have no proof to back up that assertion other than stereotypical mafiamen in media.

I think it's more just an American thing tbh. Lots of us are pretty big on loyalty and all that.

I've heard 'snitches get stiches' (god I hate that phrase) since at least middle-school in fucking Texas.
I'd say it's a pretty common thing.

[Arkinesia]

the original comment was about how gang culture makes people be prejudiced against black people, because now the reason they are prejudiced is bc of blm, nonetheless ur last comment is a fire light, are you going to make th claim or not? because either way im gonna need sources

American Christianity and American racism are inseparable.

Again…a history lesson unto itself. I would suggest investigating Bob Jones University as a primer on that, followed by reading about the history of Liberty University. That's actually starting way further along than where it really starts, but it's something.

Look up the beginnings of the Southern Baptist Convention, and read about the religiously-themed arguments in favor of slavery.