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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:54 am

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Bannedbytomorrow wrote:You putting "things" in "quotes" really "makes" you look "smarter." If there are not races that are superior to another, how come one race managed to dominate nearly the entire world?

And uh what alternative history have you been reading exactly?

Any white power approved history book
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Well I suppose the only people who would benefit are those who believe the homeless are an eyesore to be hidden.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:54 am

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Genivaria wrote:And uh what alternative history have you been reading exactly?

I know facts aren't your strong suit, but please, try a quick history lesson.


If you're point isn't that Mongols are the master-race, then I think you need a new history book.
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Postby The Hyacinth Flower » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:55 am

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Liriena wrote:You mean the concept with varying degrees of acceptance in academic circles that tends to trigger a lot of white fragility when brought up?

Where is the "fragility" in being angry when an entire group of people are demonized based upon their skin, they're stepped-on and branded as evil by much of academia, and everything is said to be their fault? This didn't fly with black people or with Jews, why should it fly with white people? This sort of self-loathing that is perpetuated by academia, by places like HuffPo and Tumblr, and by people who continually apologize for being white (looking at you, Katy Perry) brews nothing but hatred and resentment.

because white poeple? enslaved and tortured black africans, for almost 300 years or more, like its not demonizing white people when your pointing out the things they factually did ( unlike claiming jews killed babies and sucked their blood, which is false) and if you think adressing this and addressing the way these problems still affects us today is making you self hat then youe looking at this problem from the wrong perspective and theres some things ud want to question about urself

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Postby Bannedbytomorrow » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Bannedbytomorrow wrote:Wrong. IQ is heritable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_NsS1Zdlk
Also, why don't you think they have access to education?

No it's not. IQ isn't inherited. It's just that two very intelligent parents will do everything for their kids to insure that they get into he best schools. This is not to say that poor or less intelligent parents don't try to do the same for their children.

Because poor nations generally don't have access to education. To them education is a luxury that they cannot afford.

You didn't even watch the video, did you? The point you're trying to make has been addressed in it.

Okay, but why can't the poor nations afford it, you think early Europeans paid Aliens to tutor them?
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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:55 am

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:You mean the concept with varying degrees of acceptance in academic circles that tends to trigger a lot of white fragility when brought up?

Where is the "fragility" in being angry when an entire group of people are demonized based upon their skin, they're stepped-on and branded as evil by much of academia, and everything is said to be their fault? This didn't fly with black people or with Jews, why should it fly with white people? This sort of self-loathing that is perpetuated by academia, by places like HuffPo and Tumblr, and by people who continually apologize for being white (looking at you, Katy Perry) brews nothing but hatred and resentment.

^ case in point.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And uh what alternative history have you been reading exactly?

Any white power approved history book

Hopefully not the Turner Diaries.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:55 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Even Jeff Sessions called the racist scum by what they truly are. Only Trump tried to play a "muh both sides" card and failed to call the racist scum by name. And as I pointed out before, this wasn't the first time he seemingly dog-whistled a lukewarm validation at racist scum.

>Denounced both sides
>Dog whistling

Trump tried to be neutral for once and it didn't work. To bad I liked the neutral Trump
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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:56 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Even Jeff Sessions called the racist scum by what they truly are. Only Trump tried to play a "muh both sides" card and failed to call the racist scum by name. And as I pointed out before, this wasn't the first time he seemingly dog-whistled a lukewarm validation at racist scum.

>Denounced both sides
>Dog whistling

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/white-nationalists-applaud-donald-trump-silence-about-charlottesville-violence/
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:56 am

Benuty wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Any white power approved history book

Hopefully not the Turner Diaries.

Probably that
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:56 am

Bannedbytomorrow wrote:
Liriena wrote:Certainly not, but I'm not the one trying to argue that some "races" are "genetically superior".

You putting "things" in "quotes" really "makes" you look "smarter." If there are not races that are superior to another, how come one race managed to dominate nearly the entire world?


One race didnt. The concept of a homogenous ethno-regional races is exceedingly recent. My father still remembers a time when he was not considered White for being Italian, amd was told so on a regular basis. The irish in the 1800s were cinsidered African. Hell, during WWII, the concept of the Aryan race most certainly did not include all Europeans.


The modern conception of race simplu has no basis in reality, either from a historic or biological standpoint. It is pure revisionism from people who have no fucking clue about the actual science of the matter, and only the most basic understanding of the historocity of it.

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Postby The Hyacinth Flower » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:56 am

Bannedbytomorrow wrote:
The Hyacinth Flower wrote:hey dont forget to adress my comments, mr laissez fair capitalism

also https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/ ... -countries

its literally the first result, are you like, lost?

I would but your typing makes it hard to read. I'll start addressing your points when they're not an eyesore.

¨i dont like the way you type so im going to use that as a scapegoat to not address the valid points that u put forth¨

remember that guy who implied that using reason was a liberal tactic meant to destroy western civilization, i think its a trend

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:57 am

Bannedbytomorrow wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And uh what alternative history have you been reading exactly?

I know facts aren't your strong suit, but please, try a quick history lesson.

Adorable.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:57 am

Benuty wrote:Well I suppose the only people who would benefit are those who believe the homeless are an eyesore to be hidden.

It worked during foreign dignitary visits during the Holomodor.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Staniel » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:57 am

Benuty wrote:
Liriena wrote:If by "anti-cop" you mean "opposed to racial bias in law enforcement and the criminal justice system", then yes... although some citations would be appreciated for the underlined.

Being opposed to fascism doesn't automatically make you a member of an antifa group any more than being opposed to Hillary Clinton automatically made you a Republican.

At least we haven't seen something akin to the partisans of Italy running around in the city streets here. Then people might have a point about the antifa groups in the states being more than an annoyance of the unusual sorts.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... ings-2017/

Also more white people are killed by police than blacks. It's not just a black issue, it's an "us" issue since everyone's involved.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:57 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:>Denounced both sides
>Dog whistling

Trump tried to be neutral for once and it didn't work. To bad I liked the neutral Trump

To be fair is it really even possible to be neutral in such a polarized situation? Honestly I feel one could have been neutral back when caning a senator to near death was seen as an honorable thing to do, but we don't have that happening anymore.
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Postby Bannedbytomorrow » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
Bannedbytomorrow wrote:I know facts aren't your strong suit, but please, try a quick history lesson.


If you're point isn't that Mongols are the master-race, then I think you need a new history book.

Sovaal wrote:
Bannedbytomorrow wrote:You putting "things" in "quotes" really "makes" you look "smarter." If there are not races that are superior to another, how come one race managed to dominate nearly the entire world?

I guess the mongols where just better horsemen.

Yes, I'm aware that it's a lot easier to be smug than to address my statement. You both know that I'm talking about the European domination of the globe, but you know that you won't be able to argue against it, so you resort to mockery.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:57 am

The Hyacinth Flower wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Where is the "fragility" in being angry when an entire group of people are demonized based upon their skin, they're stepped-on and branded as evil by much of academia, and everything is said to be their fault? This didn't fly with black people or with Jews, why should it fly with white people? This sort of self-loathing that is perpetuated by academia, by places like HuffPo and Tumblr, and by people who continually apologize for being white (looking at you, Katy Perry) brews nothing but hatred and resentment.

because white poeple? enslaved and tortured black africans, for almost 300 years or more, like its not demonizing white people when your pointing out the things they factually did ( unlike claiming jews killed babies and sucked their blood, which is false) and if you think adressing this and addressing the way these problems still affects us today is making you self hat then youe looking at this problem from the wrong perspective and theres some things ud want to question about urself

Yes they did. In the past. Which is not something for those far removed to confess or atone for since they did not commit that atrocity. Should I ask Mongolians to flagellate themselves because of the Mongolian conquests?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:58 am

Bannedbytomorrow wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No it's not. IQ isn't inherited. It's just that two very intelligent parents will do everything for their kids to insure that they get into he best schools. This is not to say that poor or less intelligent parents don't try to do the same for their children.

Because poor nations generally don't have access to education. To them education is a luxury that they cannot afford.

You didn't even watch the video, did you? The point you're trying to make has been addressed in it.

Okay, but why can't the poor nations afford it, you think early Europeans paid Aliens to tutor them?

Only the rich Europeans could afford that. The vast majority couldn't read for years until someone decided that smart workers are better than dumb ones
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Postby Liriena » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:58 am

Staniel wrote:
Benuty wrote:At least we haven't seen something akin to the partisans of Italy running around in the city streets here. Then people might have a point about the antifa groups in the states being more than an annoyance of the unusual sorts.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... ings-2017/

Also more white people are killed by police than blacks. It's not just a black issue, it's an "us" issue since everyone's involved.

Which argument are you trying to refute? Because I don't see how that relates to anything Benuty or myself said.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:59 am

Bannedbytomorrow wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
If you're point isn't that Mongols are the master-race, then I think you need a new history book.

Sovaal wrote:I guess the mongols where just better horsemen.

Yes, I'm aware that it's a lot easier to be smug than to address my statement. You both know that I'm talking about the European domination of the globe, but you know that you won't be able to argue against it, so you resort to mockery.


I wouldn't address such an irrational and counter-factual stance any other way. It's like debating with someone who believes in a flat-Earth, first of all it's pointless, and second of all you have to get past all the laughter first.
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Postby Staniel » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Staniel wrote:
What kind of sense does that make? So by your logic, anti-cop black people are not necessarily synonymous with BLM, although the group is vehemently anti-cop, and that anti-cop black people (or most) certainly do SUPPORT BLM like DeRay McKesson.... :eyebrow:

Also, I had that article on to reiterate that Antifa WAS there in full force. The terrorist group has nationwide affiliations.

But your article didn't prove that "antifa" was in Charlottesville "in full force". It didn't even prove that they made up a significant portion of the counter-protesters. Also, antifa is not a "terrorist group".


From Berkeley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYBxXpTx300
So Antifa isn't a terrorist group?


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Postby Bannedbytomorrow » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:00 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Bannedbytomorrow wrote:You putting "things" in "quotes" really "makes" you look "smarter." If there are not races that are superior to another, how come one race managed to dominate nearly the entire world?


One race didnt. The concept of a homogenous ethno-regional races is exceedingly recent. My father still remembers a time when he was not considered White for being Italian, amd was told so on a regular basis. The irish in the 1800s were cinsidered African. Hell, during WWII, the concept of the Aryan race most certainly did not include all Europeans.


The modern conception of race simplu has no basis in reality, either from a historic or biological standpoint. It is pure revisionism from people who have no fucking clue about the actual science of the matter, and only the most basic understanding of the historocity of it.

Italians had few major colonies, and the Irish had none, so I wouldn't argue that they dominated the globe. Mainly the French and the British.
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Postby The Hyacinth Flower » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:00 pm

Benuty wrote:
The Hyacinth Flower wrote:no one is claiming people are privileged ¨regardless¨ of their disenfranchisement, they are underprivileged because of it, but also would benefit in other situations, this is an already addressed issue and your lack of knowledge on this is in fact, proof, of ur misinformation.

Yet they are when ignoring the basic fact the homeless are one of the most underprivileged, and ignored groups in the states. No one benefits from having spikes put on benches to stop people from sleeping on them or having people fined, and in some cases arrested for trying to organize feeding the homeless.

youre equating white privilege with class privilege, which are different, black and white and women and trans homeless youth experience the problems with spikes, yet trans ppl are more likely to fall into homelessness without being previously poor bc they have been kicked out of their house, and on top of that they get kicked out of places where they supposedly serve homeless people bc they are trans ( like the salvation army) i dont have enough sources on how white privilege gives you power even within homelessness, but im sure that cisgender privilege does quite clearly, yet no one is confusing being cis and being poor ?

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:01 pm

Bannedbytomorrow wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
If you're point isn't that Mongols are the master-race, then I think you need a new history book.

Sovaal wrote:I guess the mongols where just better horsemen.

Yes, I'm aware that it's a lot easier to be smug than to address my statement. You both know that I'm talking about the European domination of the globe, but you know that you won't be able to argue against it, so you resort to mockery.

Yes ridiculous claims should be ridiculed.
And to my knowledge the globe remains unconquered by Europeans.

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