Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Kekistonia]

You know, now that I've been thinking about it, I've realized something. This rally actually did what it was intended to do. These folks did, in fact, unite many prominent figures on the right. Against them.

Indeed, and it was notable how some directly attacked Trump on his statement - weird times.

That's really weird, considering Trump condemned it as well.

[Gim]

Indeed, and it was notable how some directly attacked Trump on his statement - weird times.

That's really weird, considering Trump condemned it as well.

Well, whatever Trump says now is cast on a bad light these days.

[The Grim Reaper]

Your argument is that the political ideological extremes are equally bad. My argument is that you can't possibly compare a Communist person and a Nazi person.

My argument is that if a fucking Nazi says your president is boss, maybe you need to stop and smell the fucking roses, because that Nazi wants to kill the Jews and my Communist is a naive statist-utopianist.

they are equally bad, im still dead regardless if one is naive and the other is sincere.

Except this isn't a discussion about the ideologies of communism and nazism as applied political structures. It is about the people who are naive or sincere.

This is a discussion about the fact that you're totally hot with having Nazis around supporting the current Republican President, with a registered Republican driving a car into a counterprotest against a rally called "Unite the Right" bringing together neo-confederates, neo-nazis, the KKK, and an explicitly pro-Trump narrative.

It is the difference between someone who doesn't believe they will cause death supporting a left-wing, and people who believe that they /want/ to cause death supporting a right-wing which is apparently struggling to deal with them.

[Kash Island]

Communists are just as bad as the NAZI's, you want me to say it? there

there twisted ideology killed untold millions(actually more than national socialism did)

but then again #nottruecommunism/socialism rigth?

Both extremes are bad.

Your argument is that the political ideological extremes are equally bad. My argument is that you can't possibly compare a Communist person and a Nazi person.

My argument is that if a fucking Nazi says your president is boss, maybe you need to stop and smell the fucking roses, because that Nazi wants to kill the Jews and my Communist is a naive statist-utopianist.

"also as someone in the military that was pretty offensive but it's okay I have thick skin."

I still don't care.

okay that's fine, just so long as we know you think military veterans are murderers.

[Bombadil]

You know, now that I've been thinking about it, I've realized something. This rally actually did what it was intended to do. These folks did, in fact, unite many prominent figures on the right. Against them.

the neo-nazis/kkk were never really THAT strong to begin with, we are mislead to believe they are this evil tide that is going to take over.

I think it's the connection to the alt-right and what that says about the presidency, it's a wider issue. As I wrote pages earlier it's an interesting phenomenon as to how a political movement has morphed into a broad base of libertarians, alt-right, nazis and neo-confederacy - with memes and creeds from a forum started around anime.

I'm not saying libertarians are racists, but it's all being enabled and funded and promoted by a group of people who want to crush the government - they've looked to discredit science, the government and now media and insert their own agendas.

It's disturbing, and this was a disturbing result of it, and the actions and reactions will only get worse alas.

[The Hyacinth Flower]

i dont understand, are you trying to make a point about the ineffectiveness of communism or the fact that we shouldnt condemn nazism because other ideologies still cause death ? because if were taking into account all the people who die of homelessness and hunger in capitalist societies because they cant afford food and a house as somehow part of the system ur argument becomes meaningless.

(and on that note, u cant be ¨regardless of the motive¨ on this issues bc its pretty important if someone dies getting shot or dies laying on their bed surrounded by their family, dismissing the motive is a way for you to not acknowledge that people die under nazi regimes because of the way nazism is structured, is implemented, and what values and core ideas it has, where as other ideologies dont)

holy fuck...let me make it clear

both ideologies are terrible and BOTH sides are instigating problems that are boiling over to violence

the only thing I will say though is that the left-wing is doing a hell of a job at provoking when you consider what was happening during the campaign cycle when leftist groups were trying to destroy property and harass/assault trump voters.

thats cool i guess, but both sides are instigating problems that lead to violence for different reasons, and for some reason u dont want to acknowledge that, have u, perhaps, considered questioning that instead of pulling an ¨extreme centrist¨ fallacy ?

[Kash Island]

they are equally bad, im still dead regardless if one is naive and the other is sincere.

Except this isn't a discussion about the ideologies of communism and nazism as applied political structures. It is about the people who are naive or sincere.

This is a discussion about the fact that you're totally hot with having Nazis around supporting the current Republican President, with a registered Republican driving a car into a counterprotest against a rally called "Unite the Right" bringing together neo-confederates, neo-nazis, the KKK, and an explicitly pro-Trump narrative.

It is the difference between someone who doesn't believe they will cause death supporting a left-wing, and people who believe that they /want/ to cause death supporting a right-wing.

you must be becoming emotional because your not using logic, because a logical person would have seen where i posted that i thought what was happening was disgusting and I've also stated that nazis are disgusting so this idea of being hot for nazis is quite literally a fantasy you have created.

[The Grim Reaper]

Your argument is that the political ideological extremes are equally bad. My argument is that you can't possibly compare a Communist person and a Nazi person.

My argument is that if a fucking Nazi says your president is boss, maybe you need to stop and smell the fucking roses, because that Nazi wants to kill the Jews and my Communist is a naive statist-utopianist.

"also as someone in the military that was pretty offensive but it's okay I have thick skin."

I still don't care.

okay that's fine, just so long as we know you think military veterans are murderers.

My argument was that we should charge military veterans with homicide if, and only if, you are willing to say that "a death and a death are the same".

I'm literally saying the opposite of that, because unlike you, I'm ideologically consistent. As you found out approximately two pages ago.

[Gim]

okay that's fine, just so long as we know you think military veterans are murderers.

My argument was that we should charge military veterans with homicide if, and only if, you are willing to say that "a death and a death are the same".

I'm literally saying the opposite of that, because unlike you, I'm ideologically consistent. As you found out approximately two pages ago.

That was an upper cut.

[Kash Island]

holy fuck...let me make it clear

both ideologies are terrible and BOTH sides are instigating problems that are boiling over to violence

the only thing I will say though is that the left-wing is doing a hell of a job at provoking when you consider what was happening during the campaign cycle when leftist groups were trying to destroy property and harass/assault trump voters.

thats cool i guess, but both sides are instigating problems that lead to violence for different reasons, and for some reason u dont want to acknowledge that, have u, perhaps, considered questioning that instead of pulling an ¨extreme centrist¨ fallacy ?

i did acknowledge it....what are you saying?

[Kash Island]

My argument was that we should charge military veterans with homicide if, and only if, you are willing to say that "a death and a death are the same".

I'm literally saying the opposite of that, because unlike you, I'm ideologically consistent. As you found out approximately two pages ago.

That was an upper cut.

the state of death is entirley differen't, that's what i'm saying

[The East Marches II]

okay that's fine, just so long as we know you think military veterans are murderers.

My argument was that we should charge military veterans with homicide if, and only if, you are willing to say that "a death and a death are the same".

I'm literally saying the opposite of that, because unlike you, I'm ideologically consistent. As you found out approximately two pages ago.

>Being ideologically consistent

Way overrated tbh, has no real value.

[Bombadil]

Indeed, and it was notable how some directly attacked Trump on his statement - weird times.

That's really weird, considering Trump condemned it as well.

Not really, he didn't call out the more despicable side in this matter. He didn't condemn Nazi supporters, pro-confederacy.. that's what prominent members of the right called him out on.

[Gim]

That was an upper cut.

the state of death is entirley differen't, that's what i'm saying

Oh, okay.

[The Kolam Brotherhood]

That's really weird, considering Trump condemned it as well.

Not really, he didn't call out the more despicable side in this matter. He didn't condemn Nazi supporters, pro-confederacy.. that's what prominent members of the right called him out on.

He just mentioned it in a right-wing biased way.

[Kash Island]

okay that's fine, just so long as we know you think military veterans are murderers.

My argument was that we should charge military veterans with homicide if, and only if, you are willing to say that "a death and a death are the same".

I'm literally saying the opposite of that, because unlike you, I'm ideologically consistent. As you found out approximately two pages ago.

war is entirley differen't as both partys are consenting to mutual combat

very differen't from nazis/commies taking you off the street to be executed. nice try though.

[The Hyacinth Flower]

thats cool i guess, but both sides are instigating problems that lead to violence for different reasons, and for some reason u dont want to acknowledge that, have u, perhaps, considered questioning that instead of pulling an ¨extreme centrist¨ fallacy ?

i did acknowledge it....what are you saying?

¨regardless of the motive... no but im acknowledging the motive¨

im saying that people die under nazism bc nazis kill you with their guns bc of who u are, communists dont, and nazis do that bc its a core part of their ideology, thats what youre not acknowledging

[Gim]

i did acknowledge it....what are you saying?

¨regardless of the motive... no but im acknowledging the motive¨

im saying that people die under nazism bc nazis kill you with their guns bc of who u are, communists dont, and nazis do that bc its a core part of their ideology, thats what youre not acknowledging

Communists kill you, too. Look what North Korea has done to Warmbier.

[The Grim Reaper]

That was an upper cut.

the state of death is entirley differen't, that's what i'm saying

So you're saying that in this case, where a gentleman ran over a protestor whilst the counterprotestors were violent without a single fatality, the sides are not actually equally bad? Because the state of death is entirely different?

You disagree with Kekistonia, then.

I only recall one chalking up a kill, mind.

I recall both engaging in violence, mind.

I'm interested to see how you resolve that. I'm also interested to see how you resolve your totalizing opinion on death with the fact that you, presumably, don't want to charge every military veteran with a combat kill for homicide.

[The Kolam Brotherhood]

Well, more of Nazism/Fascism.

Personally, I don't care why the terrorism is happening, I just want it to stop.

[The Grim Reaper]

My argument was that we should charge military veterans with homicide if, and only if, you are willing to say that "a death and a death are the same".

I'm literally saying the opposite of that, because unlike you, I'm ideologically consistent. As you found out approximately two pages ago.

war is entirley differen't as both partys are consenting to mutual combat

very differen't from nazis/commies taking you off the street to be executed. nice try though.

Civilian "collateral" deaths?

[Kekistonia]

That's really weird, considering Trump condemned it as well.

Not really, he didn't call out the more despicable side in this matter. He didn't condemn Nazi supporters, pro-confederacy.. that's what prominent members of the right called him out on.

He condemned violence. Violence is what occurred, and violence is not acceptable. Surprised that's not good enough for some people.

[Kash Island]

the state of death is entirley differen't, that's what i'm saying

So you're saying that in this case, where a gentleman ran over a protestor whilst the counterprotestors were violent without a single fatality, the sides are not actually equally bad? Because the state of death is entirely different?

You disagree with Kekistonia, then.

I recall both engaging in violence, mind.

I'm interested to see how you resolve that. I'm also interested to see how you resolve your totalizing opinion on death with the fact that you, presumably, don't want to charge every military veteran with a combat kill for homicide.

were the counterprotesters attempting to murder the man in the car? if so he is justified in my eyes, if they were not then he should be charged with attempted murder.

or we all could be fucking wrong and it was a legit accident.

[Kash Island]

war is entirley differen't as both partys are consenting to mutual combat

very differen't from nazis/commies taking you off the street to be executed. nice try though.

Civilian "collateral" deaths?

"wrong place wrong time"

[Kekistonia]

the state of death is entirley differen't, that's what i'm saying

So you're saying that in this case, where a gentleman ran over a protestor whilst the counterprotestors were violent without a single fatality, the sides are not actually equally bad? Because the state of death is entirely different?

You disagree with Kekistonia, then.

I recall both engaging in violence, mind.

I'm interested to see how you resolve that. I'm also interested to see how you resolve your totalizing opinion on death with the fact that you, presumably, don't want to charge every military veteran with a combat kill for homicide.

I think you quoted the wrong post.