Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Litorea]

What matters fundamentally is assuaging the concerns of both sides and attempting to reestablish national unity.

Fuck that. The only way you can assuage the concerns of neo-Nazis is to either convert them away from neo-Naziism or get rid of the non-white folk. They're going to be concerned up until that point.

Also, the white folk definitely threw the first punch. Not like it matters, but let's not even pretend for a moment that neo-Nazis can or should be framed as the victims in anything.

And how do you intend on converting neo-Nazis while steadfastly refusing to give any ground at all? You can't. You convince people by making concessions and giving ground in a tactical way that allows you to maintain the key parts of your policy. I would wager my life savings that with the exception of the die-hard core members, a good deal of neo-Nazis would start moving out of the movement if concessions on, say, free trade were made.

After all, 90% of politics is fundamentally economics, and it's hard to hate immigrants for stealing your job if you actually, well, have a job.

[Lord of The Rings]

Ah yes, oh god. How could I forget that you have such pathetic system of law over there... Well, time you got yourself a normal system of law, it would save you a lot of this nonsense.

I must wonder: what sort of system of law do you consider "normal" that would make you consider preventing the government from choosing an official religion, restricting practice of religion (outside of doing things like murder to practice the religion), and abridging various other freedoms, such as speech, press, free assembly, and freedom of petition, seem "pathetic"?
I'm baffled, honestly; all I can figure is that it's must be at least a little authoritarian.

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

[Proctopeo]

Relevant:

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Might burn your skin if you do. Communists work like vampires, right? They touch something that discusses capitalism in a positive light and they burn?

No only with nazi books and fifty shades of gray

Huh.
I could probably still use something capitalist in place of garlic. Like company logos and/or products. "The power of the delicious McChicken compels you!"

I must wonder: what sort of system of law do you consider "normal" that would make you consider preventing the government from choosing an official religion, restricting practice of religion (outside of doing things like murder to practice the religion), and abridging various other freedoms, such as speech, press, free assembly, and freedom of petition, seem "pathetic"?
I'm baffled, honestly; all I can figure is that it's must be at least a little authoritarian.

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

Better than letting it be abridged tbh.

[Sriker]

Is it me or are girls gay because they kiss guys that's super gay
It is a joke

[Bombadil]

Fuck that. The only way you can assuage the concerns of neo-Nazis is to either convert them away from neo-Naziism or get rid of the non-white folk. They're going to be concerned up until that point.

Also, the white folk definitely threw the first punch. Not like it matters, but let's not even pretend for a moment that neo-Nazis can or should be framed as the victims in anything.

And how do you intend on converting neo-Nazis while steadfastly refusing to give any ground at all? You can't. You convince people by making concessions and giving ground in a tactical way that allows you to maintain the key parts of your policy. I would wager my life savings that with the exception of the die-hard core members, a good deal of neo-Nazis would start moving out of the movement if concessions on, say, free trade were made.

After all, 90% of politics is fundamentally economics, and it's hard to hate immigrants for stealing your job if you actually, well, have a job.

Being racist is not a logical matter, beyond the fact that the overall alt-right movement has been co-opted by powerful interests to push an agenda - there is a very broad coalition of the racist, alt-right, libertarians and the message has very powerful backers, even if those backers aren't specifically one of the other - broadly its an anti-government movement funded by the very rich.

Immigration is a wedge issue that allies support for a broader program.

[Lord of The Rings]

110% American

Feels good to be a gangster

But what kind of gangster?

[Kanadorika]

I must wonder: what sort of system of law do you consider "normal" that would make you consider preventing the government from choosing an official religion, restricting practice of religion (outside of doing things like murder to practice the religion), and abridging various other freedoms, such as speech, press, free assembly, and freedom of petition, seem "pathetic"?
I'm baffled, honestly; all I can figure is that it's must be at least a little authoritarian.

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

Ah yes. The classic "Americans are idiots for upholding their constitutional rights."

Might as well make fun of Americans for being "uncultured" and "disgusting"

And then cry when something happens to you and you need our help. Yup. describes the last 200 years, with the last part being relevant for about 100 years or so.

[Sriker]

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

Ah yes. The classic "Americans are idiots for upholding their constitutional rights."

Might as well make fun of Americans for being "uncultured" and "disgusting"

And then cry when something happens to you and you need our help. Yup. describes the last 200 years, with the last part being relevant for about 100 years or so.

Wow it is that time of the month watch out he is angery

[Neutraligon]

I must wonder: what sort of system of law do you consider "normal" that would make you consider preventing the government from choosing an official religion, restricting practice of religion (outside of doing things like murder to practice the religion), and abridging various other freedoms, such as speech, press, free assembly, and freedom of petition, seem "pathetic"?
I'm baffled, honestly; all I can figure is that it's must be at least a little authoritarian.

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

Given that there are many atheists who support the first amendment your comment makes no sense.

[Goral]

Many people (especially the media) are trying to pin the Neo-Nazis and white supremicists (WS) with Trump, and that he instigates violence. Remember when that Radical leftist and Bernie Sanders supporter attacked those Republican congressman? Well, the media didn't pin him with Bernie, yet they pin the neo nazis and WS with Trump. Huge Double Standard!. Yes, this is a terrorist attack, the guy wanted to instill fear into the opposing protest and ended up murdering someone.

Also about Trump saying violence "on all sides," there;s nothing wrong with that. Again, the media wants to make it a big deal. They claim that if Trump doesn't mention the WS and nazis, they are going to think its ok and keep on doing, but there's was also violence by the anti WS and the counter protest, and if Trump hadn't mentioned "all sides," then it would be the counter protesters who would think it's ok to be vioent. Both sides were responsible for the violence, it's just that the car mowing over people was (likely) a WS.

[Kash Island]

Many people (especially the media) are trying to pin the Neo-Nazis and white supremicists (WS) with Trump, and that he instigates violence. Remember when that Radical leftist and Bernie Sanders supporter attacked those Republican congressman? Well, the media didn't pin him with Bernie, yet they pin the neo nazis and WS with Trump. Huge Double Standard!. Yes, this is a terrorist attack, the guy wanted to instill fear into the opposing protest and ended up murdering someone.

Also about Trump saying violence "on all sides," there;s nothing wrong with that. Again, the media wants to make it a big deal. They claim that if Trump doesn't mention the WS and nazis, they are going to think its ok and keep on doing, but there's was also violence by the anti WS and the counter protest, and if Trump hadn't mentioned "all sides," then it would be the counter protesters who would think it's ok to be vioent. Both sides were responsible for the violence, it's just that the car mowing over people was (likely) a WS.

^ this

[Sriker]

My apologies, it really isn't the law system that's stupid, it is the mentality you [you = me stereotyping the US in general here, not you personally] have which is stupid.

And by mentality I'm looking at the mentality of free speech being some god given right to you or something. It's just sad to be honest.

Given that there are many atheists who support the first amendment your comment makes no sense.

Bootman is alt right how could you Bruce

[Neutraligon]

Given that there are many atheists who support the first amendment your comment makes no sense.

Bootman is alt right how could you Bruce

"Bootman" is not alt right... As to Bruce, who is Bruce? More seriously, my comment was not about politics, it was a factual statement that many atheists support the first amendment.

[Bombadil]

Many people (especially the media) are trying to pin the Neo-Nazis and white supremicists (WS) with Trump, and that he instigates violence. Remember when that Radical leftist and Bernie Sanders supporter attacked those Republican congressman? Well, the media didn't pin him with Bernie, yet they pin the neo nazis and WS with Trump. Huge Double Standard!. Yes, this is a terrorist attack, the guy wanted to instill fear into the opposing protest and ended up murdering someone.

When he brings someone like Bannon into his team then yes, he has a clear connection.

Also about Trump saying violence "on all sides," there;s nothing wrong with that. Again, the media wants to make it a big deal. They claim that if Trump doesn't mention the WS and nazis, they are going to think its ok and keep on doing, but there's was also violence by the anti WS and the counter protest, and if Trump hadn't mentioned "all sides," then it would be the counter protesters who would think it's ok to be vioent. Both sides were responsible for the violence, it's just that the car mowing over people was (likely) a WS.

I sort of agree here though, I was fine with the 'all side' quote - but his history shows a clear pattern of when he comments and how, if it's within his worldview he comments, if not he doesn't.

[Genivaria]

Bootman is alt right how could you Bruce

"Bootman" is not alt right... As to Bruce, who is Bruce? More seriously, my comment was not about politics, it was a factual statement that many atheists support the first amendment.

At a guess, Bruce Wayne aka Batman, which is on your flag.

[The Black Forrest]

Many people (especially the media) are trying to pin the Neo-Nazis and white supremicists (WS) with Trump,

I don't know about pinning but they are in his support base. David Duke was there stirring crap and talking about Trump.

and that he instigates violence.

Did you miss his campaign. He spoke of violence against protesters and offered to pay legal bills.

He has greatly contributed to the feeling it's ok to do what they are doing.

Remember when that Radical leftist and Bernie Sanders supporter attacked those Republican congressman? Well, the media didn't pin him with Bernie, yet they pin the neo nazis and WS with Trump. Huge Double Standard!. Yes, this is a terrorist attack, the guy wanted to instill fear into the opposing protest and ended up murdering someone.

Ok. One versus how many in Chancellorsville? Has the media tried to pin that jackass from Ohio on Trump?

Also about Trump saying violence "on all sides," there;s nothing wrong with that. Again, the media wants to make it a big deal. They claim that if Trump doesn't mention the WS and nazis, they are going to think its ok and keep on doing, but there's was also violence by the anti WS and the counter protest, and if Trump hadn't mentioned "all sides," then it would be the counter protesters who would think it's ok to be vioent. Both sides were responsible for the violence, it's just that the car mowing over people was (likely) a WS.

It is a big deal. Why does the KKK and the Neo nazi's get a pass? Why is wrong to declare the white racists are wrong?

His comments were avoidance of that as they are part of his base.

[Sriker]

Bootman is alt right how could you Bruce

"Bootman" is not alt right... As to Bruce, who is Bruce? More seriously, my comment was not about politics, it was a factual statement that many atheists support the first amendment.

My possible god your dumb it was a joke

[Kash Island]

Many people (especially the media) are trying to pin the Neo-Nazis and white supremicists (WS) with Trump,

I don't know about pinning but they are in his support base. David Duke was there stirring crap and talking about Trump.

and that he instigates violence.

Did you miss his campaign. He spoke of violence against protesters and offered to pay legal bills.

He has greatly contributed to the feeling it's ok to do what they are doing.

Remember when that Radical leftist and Bernie Sanders supporter attacked those Republican congressman? Well, the media didn't pin him with Bernie, yet they pin the neo nazis and WS with Trump. Huge Double Standard!. Yes, this is a terrorist attack, the guy wanted to instill fear into the opposing protest and ended up murdering someone.

Ok. One versus how many in Chancellorsville? Has the media tried to pin that jackass from Ohio on Trump?

Also about Trump saying violence "on all sides," there;s nothing wrong with that. Again, the media wants to make it a big deal. They claim that if Trump doesn't mention the WS and nazis, they are going to think its ok and keep on doing, but there's was also violence by the anti WS and the counter protest, and if Trump hadn't mentioned "all sides," then it would be the counter protesters who would think it's ok to be vioent. Both sides were responsible for the violence, it's just that the car mowing over people was (likely) a WS.

It is a big deal. Why does the KKK and the Neo nazi's get a pass? Why is wrong to declare the white racists are wrong?

His comments were avoidance of that as they are part of his base.

the KKK and Neo-Nazi's don't get passes....this isn't the civil rights era...

[Republic of the Cristo]

Speaking more on the protests rather than the terrorist attack - and then only for the non-racialist group, we on the right should not show up to protests with shields or pepper spray or any other kind of weaponry. If we are to maintain a morally superior position, one which maintains collective wellbeing and order over nihilistic individualism and anarchy, we must set the example of proper behavior and civil disagreement.

[Neutraligon]

"Bootman" is not alt right... As to Bruce, who is Bruce? More seriously, my comment was not about politics, it was a factual statement that many atheists support the first amendment.

At a guess, Bruce Wayne aka Batman, which is on your flag.

Bruce Wayne is not Batman, after all Batman and Bruce Wayne have been seen together.

[The Black Forrest]

I don't know about pinning but they are in his support base. David Duke was there stirring crap and talking about Trump.



Did you miss his campaign. He spoke of violence against protesters and offered to pay legal bills.

He has greatly contributed to the feeling it's ok to do what they are doing.



Ok. One versus how many in Chancellorsville? Has the media tried to pin that jackass from Ohio on Trump?



It is a big deal. Why does the KKK and the Neo nazi's get a pass? Why is wrong to declare the white racists are wrong?

His comments were avoidance of that as they are part of his base.

the KKK and Neo-Nazi's don't get passes....this isn't the civil rights era...

If we were talking about the civil rights era you might have had a comment. Fact is they are there.

[Geilinor]

the KKK and Neo-Nazi's don't get passes....this isn't the civil rights era...

Trump is effectively giving them a pass here.

[Lord of The Rings]

*laughs in victory*

[The Black Forrest]

Speaking more on the protests rather than the terrorist attack - and then only for the non-racialist group, we on the right should not show up to protests with shields or pepper spray or any other kind of weaponry. If we are to maintain a morally superior position, one which maintains collective wellbeing and order over nihilistic individualism and anarchy, we must set the example of proper behavior and civil disagreement.

A night march with torches does't help their cause either.

[Genivaria]

"Bootman" is not alt right... As to Bruce, who is Bruce? More seriously, my comment was not about politics, it was a factual statement that many atheists support the first amendment.

My possible god your dumb it was a joke

Casually insulting people is not a good start here.