Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Napkiraly]

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

A centrist dictatorship does sound nice, to be honest.

*Mussolini intensifies*

[The East Marches II]

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

Therm *cough* you mean physically remove them, d-don't put that permanent part in there.

[Olerand]

You've had 25 constitutions? Or are you referring to the amendments? 10 of which were added at the beginning, and out of the other 15, 2 or 3 were to guarantee voting for non-white men, another for (white at the time) women, two for banning and then allowing alcohol, etc.

Hardly the radical State-organizational change one needs to keep up with 2 centuries worth of history.

I was making a dig at your "it's been 200 years" comment. It's been 25 years since the last major change to the constitution. That's kind of the thing about the constitution; if the societal impetus is there, it can be changed.

But it wasn't a major change. That's the whole point.

"My thoughts are too complex for the journalists to understand"

Fantastic, 10/10

No wonder him and Trump get along well. Maybe we pegged the wrong French politician to compare to Trump.

They don't "get along". Macron plays the part for Trump's petty enjoyment. He doesn't like him nor does he respect him, but he invites him over and is cordial to him because whether one likes it or not, the illiterati are leading the world's superpower.

[Sovaal]

Probably not the best strategy of returning a rebellious region of the country into the fold, but a longer military presence in the area was a definite must that was ruined by our internal politics.

And the alternative has been better? I say no.

Nor would yours be any better, and would go against the aims of the American government at the time.

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Nor is change always good. And sometimes things don't change at all.

[Empire of Cats]

A centrist dictatorship does sound nice, to be honest.

*Mussolini intensifies*

Why are you dissing Franco?

[Badger Industries]

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

So basically your only stance would be "we are going to deport everyone with a stance"

[Ostroeuropa]

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

Muh kaiserreich. Damn Mcarthurist, break the chains!

[Cland Eastopia]

Today in Charlottesville, a movement of Unite the Right groups marched through the Virginian town of Charlottesville in an attempt to both unite alt-right groups and to present a united front against the perceived "revision of history" in the town, where a local statue of Robert E. Lee is being considered for removal. Unsurprisingly, this has been met with counter protesters and much condemnation, as many of these groups have close or undeniable ties to Nazi ideology. There have been violent clashes and peaceful demonstrations between the factions since last night, with a state of emergency being declared in the area, but today things may have taken a deadly turn when a car plowed through a group of counter protesters, injuring many and perhaps even killing some. Details are still sparse.

UPDATE: The man driving the car has been arrested. No report on any potential fatalities or injuries yet.
UPDATE: Trump to give a speech on what has happened today in Charlottesville. Injuries look severe, but no reported deaths from the attack.
UPDATE: At least one dead from this assault. Attacker identified as a known white supremacist.
FINAL UPDATE: One dead, nineteen injured in the attack.

https://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2017/08/12/car-rams-into-crowd-at-violent-nationalist-rally-in-virginia
http://abcnews.go.com/US/car-hits-crowd-protesters-white-nationalist-rally-virginia/story?id=49179590
http://www.businessinsider.com/car-hits-counter-protesters-charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally-2017-8

That said, what are you thoughts on this issue, NSG? Should this be considered a terrorist attack? What does this say about our history of racism and our growing diversity? And how do we deal with the threat of violence from both sides of the issue?

Can I just say that I hope nobody confuses this "person" with a regular conservative. I'm what you could call a conservative and I can't stand having these true terrorists trying to speak for us.

That's part of why I typically refuse to align myself with a label, because then it eventually throws me in with these wackjobs. These labels for conservative and liberal have damaged us in the sense that when this stuff happens, everybody gets thrown in. You support said political candidate? Well, this hate group ALSO supports them, so you're part of them. I hate it, and can't do anything about it, and that upsets me.

[Empire of Cats]

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

So basically your stance would be "we are going to deport everyone with a stance"

LOL'ed at that.

[Thermodolia]

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

Therm *cough* you mean physically remove them, d-don't put that permanent part in there.

Well yes physically remove them to their own island. What did you think I ment?

[Luziyca]

A centrist dictatorship does sound nice, to be honest.

It sounds like hell on earth to me.

If we can purge the extremists on both sides, and focus on improving the welfare of the ordinary citizen, I imagine that such a system will probably be in the best interests of a majority of the population. Especially if it is ruled by a benevolent dictator.

[Empire of Cats]

Today in Charlottesville, a movement of Unite the Right groups marched through the Virginian town of Charlottesville in an attempt to both unite alt-right groups and to present a united front against the perceived "revision of history" in the town, where a local statue of Robert E. Lee is being considered for removal. Unsurprisingly, this has been met with counter protesters and much condemnation, as many of these groups have close or undeniable ties to Nazi ideology. There have been violent clashes and peaceful demonstrations between the factions since last night, with a state of emergency being declared in the area, but today things may have taken a deadly turn when a car plowed through a group of counter protesters, injuring many and perhaps even killing some. Details are still sparse.

UPDATE: The man driving the car has been arrested. No report on any potential fatalities or injuries yet.
UPDATE: Trump to give a speech on what has happened today in Charlottesville. Injuries look severe, but no reported deaths from the attack.
UPDATE: At least one dead from this assault. Attacker identified as a known white supremacist.
FINAL UPDATE: One dead, nineteen injured in the attack.

https://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2017/08/12/car-rams-into-crowd-at-violent-nationalist-rally-in-virginia
http://abcnews.go.com/US/car-hits-crowd-protesters-white-nationalist-rally-virginia/story?id=49179590
http://www.businessinsider.com/car-hits-counter-protesters-charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally-2017-8

That said, what are you thoughts on this issue, NSG? Should this be considered a terrorist attack? What does this say about our history of racism and our growing diversity? And how do we deal with the threat of violence from both sides of the issue?

Can I just say that I hope nobody confuses this "person" with a regular conservative. I'm what you could call a conservative and I can't stand having these true terrorists trying to speak for us.

That's part of why I typically refuse to align myself with a label, because then it eventually throws me in with these wackjobs. These labels for conservative and liberal have damaged us in the sense that when this stuff happens, everybody gets thrown in. You support said political candidate? Well, this hate group ALSO supports them, so you're part of them. I hate it, and can't do anything about it, and that upsets me.

I get that these jerks don't stand for people like you any more than the ANTIFA people stand for us. Intolerance anywhere is a threat to freedom everywhere.

[Olerand]

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

Far better to be in 1776 than to be... well whatever excuse you call your "rights". :^)

What? What does this sentence even mean?

And I at least have the right to an education and survival beyond basic illness. It's in my Constitution. I wish many Americans wish theirs had that too.

And all of this talk coming from the nation of Trump. At least our strong men are literate.

I ain't American just yet, mon ami. :^)

I know, I meant East Marches.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Centrism is not an ideology of pure compromise. It strictly adheres to human rights and the liberal democracy.

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

That's not Centrism. In a centrist dictatorship, people would not be banished for their political opinions.

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

A centrist dictatorship does sound nice, to be honest.

I wouldn't go for it. All forms of dictatorship are nasty. A centrist dictatorship is an oxymoron to begin with. Anyways, Salazar had a centrist dictatorship. Portugal is still feeling 'Saudade' over that.

[The East Marches II]

Therm *cough* you mean physically remove them, d-don't put that permanent part in there.

Well yes physically remove them to their own island. What did you think I ment?

Yes, yes. Good I just wanted to make sure we got it right in public. It all about PR in selling this thing.

[MERIZoC]

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Your post is the embodiment of literally every anti-centrist comic

Yeah, and they're right, because centrism is infantile and lazy.

[Thermodolia]

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

So basically your only stance would be "we are going to deport everyone with a stance"

Only those that harm the republic.

[Valrifell]

It sounds like hell on earth to me.

If we can purge the extremists on both sides, and focus on improving the welfare of the ordinary citizen, I imagine that such a system will probably be in the best interests of a majority of the population. Especially if it is ruled by a benevolent dictator.

All benevolent dictatorships eventually get internally coup'd or will just start acting dickish.

[Proctopeo]

"Haha, these guys want to massacre the Jews, but these guys want to stop that, how about we compromise and only kill half of them?"

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

Physically remove екстремиста from premise immediately
*loudly plays contrabass balalaika*

Funny but no. More like "in the interest of national security all commies, fascists, Nazis, and other assholes must be removed from the nation permanently"

So basically your only stance would be "we are going to deport everyone with a stance"

Oh look, this meme

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I was making a dig at your "it's been 200 years" comment. It's been 25 years since the last major change to the constitution. That's kind of the thing about the constitution; if the societal impetus is there, it can be changed.

But it wasn't a major change. That's the whole point.

No wonder him and Trump get along well. Maybe we pegged the wrong French politician to compare to Trump.

They don't "get along". Macron plays the part for Trump's petty enjoyment. He doesn't like him nor does he respect him, but he invites him over and is cordial to him because whether one likes it or not, the illiterati are leading the world's superpower.

I like that word. Sounds like a conspiracy by idiots.

[Sovaal]

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

A centrist dictatorship does sound nice, to be honest.

Until said dictator starts killing any political dissident.

[Olerand]

And the alternative has been better? I say no.

Nor would yours be any better, and would go against the aims of the American government at the time.

I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Nor is change always good. And sometimes things don't change at all.

It would have suppressed the South. Objectively, in the eyes of History, we wouldn't be here if the South had been successfully suppressed.

Certainly, change is not inherently good. You need a balance. Not too much change (like Sweden), nor too little (like America).

[The East Marches II]

Far better to be in 1776 than to be... well whatever excuse you call your "rights". :^)

What? What does this sentence even mean?

And I at least have the right to an education and survival beyond basic illness. It's in my Constitution. I wish many Americans wish theirs had that too.

I bet your French wished their weren't arrested for wrongthink. Listen, you can live in an authoritarian state, we freedom lovers won't fault you for it but try to limit yourselves to France.

[Badger Industries]

It sounds like hell on earth to me.

If we can purge the extremists on both sides, and focus on improving the welfare of the ordinary citizen, I imagine that such a system will probably be in the best interests of a majority of the population. Especially if it is ruled by a benevolent dictator.

It's kind of difficult for a country to work in the interests of the population if it's not ruled by the population, no?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Today in Charlottesville, a movement of Unite the Right groups marched through the Virginian town of Charlottesville in an attempt to both unite alt-right groups and to present a united front against the perceived "revision of history" in the town, where a local statue of Robert E. Lee is being considered for removal. Unsurprisingly, this has been met with counter protesters and much condemnation, as many of these groups have close or undeniable ties to Nazi ideology. There have been violent clashes and peaceful demonstrations between the factions since last night, with a state of emergency being declared in the area, but today things may have taken a deadly turn when a car plowed through a group of counter protesters, injuring many and perhaps even killing some. Details are still sparse.

UPDATE: The man driving the car has been arrested. No report on any potential fatalities or injuries yet.
UPDATE: Trump to give a speech on what has happened today in Charlottesville. Injuries look severe, but no reported deaths from the attack.
UPDATE: At least one dead from this assault. Attacker identified as a known white supremacist.
FINAL UPDATE: One dead, nineteen injured in the attack.

https://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2017/08/12/car-rams-into-crowd-at-violent-nationalist-rally-in-virginia
http://abcnews.go.com/US/car-hits-crowd-protesters-white-nationalist-rally-virginia/story?id=49179590
http://www.businessinsider.com/car-hits-counter-protesters-charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally-2017-8

That said, what are you thoughts on this issue, NSG? Should this be considered a terrorist attack? What does this say about our history of racism and our growing diversity? And how do we deal with the threat of violence from both sides of the issue?

Can I just say that I hope nobody confuses this "person" with a regular conservative. I'm what you could call a conservative and I can't stand having these true terrorists trying to speak for us.

That's part of why I typically refuse to align myself with a label, because then it eventually throws me in with these wackjobs. These labels for conservative and liberal have damaged us in the sense that when this stuff happens, everybody gets thrown in. You support said political candidate? Well, this hate group ALSO supports them, so you're part of them. I hate it, and can't do anything about it, and that upsets me.

I share that feeling with you, quite frankly.