Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Empire of Cats]

I never liked the American Constitution. I know it was made by Demi-Gods guided by the hands of Jesus Christ Himself, but it's been 200 years, it's time to get with the times.
If tutelage was necessary, and it was, and it is, then the Constitution should have been amended.

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

Le GASP! You dare inzult ze grand honore of ze French? En garde, dog!

[Sovaal]

I never liked the American Constitution. I know it was made by Demi-Gods guided by the hands of Jesus Christ Himself, but it's been 200 years, it's time to get with the times.
If tutelage was necessary, and it was, and it is, then the Constitution should have been amended.

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

Shh, you'll make their military revolt again.

[Empire of Cats]

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

Shh, you'll make their military revolt again.

Show mercy! He has a family!

[Eastern Denmark]

Honestly this thing hit really close to me, I live pretty near to Charlottesville, and I have been planning on attending UVA for a couple years. I'm a pretty liberal person and I don't hide that and in my hometown, it's never been a big issue. But it's stuff like this that makes me hesitant to attend UVA or any other college in the South as I'm not the type of person to repress my beliefs or muzzle my voice.

Honestly I don't think the statue of Lee should be removed necessarily as he, although being the lead general of the south, wasn't a major supporter of slavery (might be confusing him with Stonewall Jackson)

I live in West Virginia, and many of our locations are named after Stonewall Jackson, (another Confederate general) because he was a West Virginian technically. I am against changing the names of our locations and the removal of the statue as they are destroying a little too much. The civil war did happen and we have to recognize that, the difference (in my opinion) of the confederate flag and statues/place names is that these things are named after notable people, they aren't about racism or "southern pride" or whatever, but the fact that so many radicals are rallying behind it makes me wonder if it staying would send a bad message

So i guess in summary, I'm scared and conflicted about how I feel about this

[MERIZoC]

Then you're just making complete non-sequiturs.

It's not a "complete non-sequitur".
People got hit while standing in the road and I said not to do that, and that it won't always be on purpose; then, all you have to blame is yourself. This is all completely related to the theme of "don't stand in the road".

This isn't "standing in the road" it's a protest, and they got attacked.

You ascribing blame to anti-racists who were killed and injured is awful.

[Olerand]

Were you alive at the time? The South, then, was in open rebellion, ignited by their desire to maintain slavery. I say torch it.

And what has "defeat but not destroy" gotten you? America today. If destroy was the goal, then the South would have never recovered as it did, Nixon's Southern Strategy would have never been a thing, modern identify politics (on the right, and the reaction on the left) would probably have never been born, Trump would have never been elected, and this shitshow that happened today would have never happened.

And Occupied, Destroyed, whatever.

It's hard to explain, but I'll do my best.

You're right in pointing out that sparing the South has had negative effects. But our nation was constructed under the principle that all of our land would be turned into states with equal shares in the future of the nation. To have had troops from the rest of the nation dissolve the South, to destroy it, to turn it into an occupied area or annex the Southern states to their neighbors, would have violated the principles that our states were created under. It would have created untold resentment.

Who knows? It might have worked. But it probably wouldn't have. Occupations have a tendency to cause resistance, and it could well have caused the guerrilla war that Lee was trying to avoid when he surrendered his army in 1865.

Well clearly they couldn't be annexed, New Mexico could not extend to the Atlantic. But it could be occupied.

And frankly, you put too much importance on what you were "founded on", it's been 200 years. The South needed to be under supervision, and it should have been. What was relevant in 1776 isn't in 1865, nor in 2017. Your Constitution could have been amended, and it should have been. Those States had violated the contract that you had all signed by committing treason.

And it could have caused resistance all it wanted. And the Union would have torched the entire South. Hard to resist from the ashes of your home, farmland, forest, etc.

Short-term pain for long-term gain.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, it seems like /pol/ is blaming some dude from michigan.

A congressional candidate is spreading this bullshit.

[Napkiraly]

Related to these events, a police helicopter monitoring everything has crashed. Other sources say two people were on board. Hopefully they are alive and unhurt.

[Thermodolia]

Related to these events, a police helicopter monitoring everything has crashed. Other sources say two people were on board. Hopefully they are alive and unhurt.

Hopefully

[Olerand]

Complete destruction if necessary, as in if the South had resorted to the promised guerrilla warfare.
Otherwise, a far longer period of supervised Reconstruction, where the Southern States are essentially under tutelage.

Probably not the best strategy of returning a rebellious region of the country into the fold, but a longer military presence in the area was a definite must that was ruined by our internal politics.

And the alternative has been better? I say no.

I never liked the American Constitution. I know it was made by Demi-Gods guided by the hands of Jesus Christ Himself, but it's been 200 years, it's time to get with the times.
If tutelage was necessary, and it was, and it is, then the Constitution should have been amended.

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Our First Republic was in 1792. It is now 2017. Time has progressed, and so have we.

I never liked the American Constitution. I know it was made by Demi-Gods guided by the hands of Jesus Christ Himself, but it's been 200 years, it's time to get with the times.

Try 25.

You've had 25 constitutions? Or are you referring to the amendments? 10 of which were added at the beginning, and out of the other 15, 2 or 3 were to guarantee voting for non-white men, another for (white at the time) women, two for banning and then allowing alcohol, etc.

Hardly the radical State-organizational change one needs to keep up with 2 centuries worth of history.

[Ostroeuropa]

I never liked the American Constitution. I know it was made by Demi-Gods guided by the hands of Jesus Christ Himself, but it's been 200 years, it's time to get with the times.
If tutelage was necessary, and it was, and it is, then the Constitution should have been amended.

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

I'm not confident this is a good thing.
Anglo-Saxon institutions being long-standing and seemingly entrenched as much as they are is stable, to be sure, but this seems to result in a lack of representation of the peoples will.

Both the UK and US could do we a system overhaul to rejuvenate our nations. We succeed in spite of our governments, not because of them. With proper reforms, we could probably ensure the continuation of anglo dominance rather than the expected decline.

[Badger Industries]

So, it seems like /pol/ is blaming some dude from michigan.

A congressional candidate is spreading this bullshit.

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

[The East Marches II]

I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Our First Republic was in 1792. It is now 2017. Time has progressed, and so have we.

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Not for the first time either! If only France wasn't so prone to strong man politics and authoritarianism. Alas, poor France.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, it seems like /pol/ is blaming some dude from michigan.

A congressional candidate is spreading this bullshit.

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

Everything about /pol/ is sad. And now Hypocritical.

[Thermodolia]

So, it seems like /pol/ is blaming some dude from michigan.

A congressional candidate is spreading this bullshit.

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

[Olerand]

I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Our First Republic was in 1792. It is now 2017. Time has progressed, and so have we.

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

[Greed and Death]

Related to these events, a police helicopter monitoring everything has crashed. Other sources say two people were on board. Hopefully they are alive and unhurt.

Hopefully

Hopefully not a grenade launcher.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Probably not the best strategy of returning a rebellious region of the country into the fold, but a longer military presence in the area was a definite must that was ruined by our internal politics.

And the alternative has been better? I say no.

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Our First Republic was in 1792. It is now 2017. Time has progressed, and so have we.

Try 25.

You've had 25 constitutions? Or are you referring to the amendments? 10 of which were added at the beginning, and out of the other 15, 2 or 3 were to guarantee voting for non-white men, another for (white at the time) women, two for banning and then allowing alcohol, etc.

Hardly the radical State-organizational change one needs to keep up with 2 centuries worth of history.

Don't mind with EMII, really. Blinding hatred of Europe and an unconditional love for America have somewhat clouded his judgement.

[MERIZoC]

Related to these events, a police helicopter monitoring everything has crashed. Other sources say two people were on board. Hopefully they are alive and unhurt.

I'm hearing two fatalities.

[Greed and Death]

That's actually really sad. These same people flipped out when CNN threatened to doxx a "kid" (in reality, a grown adult) and are now spreading fake information about an actual kid killing people. Really makes one lose faith in humanity.

Time for a centrist dictatorship to rid the nation of the far right and far left.

I volunteer to be dictator.

[Napkiraly]

I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Our First Republic was in 1792. It is now 2017. Time has progressed, and so have we.

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Not for the first time either! If only France wasn't so prone to strong man politics and authoritarianism. Alas, poor France.

*Macron hon hon hon's in the distance*

[Thermodolia]

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

All three

[Olerand]

And the alternative has been better? I say no.


I know that much like their ideological counterparts, the Islamists, Americans have a problem with the concept of the progression of time, but I promise, time does progress.

Our First Republic was in 1792. It is now 2017. Time has progressed, and so have we.


You've had 25 constitutions? Or are you referring to the amendments? 10 of which were added at the beginning, and out of the other 15, 2 or 3 were to guarantee voting for non-white men, another for (white at the time) women, two for banning and then allowing alcohol, etc.

Hardly the radical State-organizational change one needs to keep up with 2 centuries worth of history.

Don't mind with EMII, really. Blinding hatred of Europe and an unconditional love for America have somewhat clouded his judgement.

Oh don't worry, I know his "banter" well.

[Valrifell]

Yes, I remember you sold out your Republic for an Emperor. Tell me again who's system is superior in the end :^)

Napoleon did good work. He was a good leader for his time, and then his time passed. Here we are again, in 2017. Napoleon is dead, and so is the First Republic, as they both should be.

Why are you still in 1776? Or 1865? Or 1963?

It's as if you don't understand the concept of the living document or amendment process. The problem with Americas unwillingness to progress is not in her Constitution but her Representatives and the people who elect them.

[The East Marches II]

Of course you wouldn't like it. It has freedom, thats something France has never been able to handle historically. Not to mention its stable. We're still on our first Republic :^)

I'm not confident this is a good thing.
Anglo-Saxon institutions being long-standing and seemingly entrenched as much as they are is stable, to be sure, but this seems to result in a lack of representation of the peoples will.

Both the UK and US could do we a system overhaul to rejuvenate our nations. We succeed in spite of our governments, not because of them. With proper reforms, we could probably ensure the continuation of anglo dominance rather than the expected decline.

It is because of that stability that the Anglo countries endure. Would you have us like France? A blood letting every 50 years, flip flops between authoritarian Emperors/Kings and the schizophrenic whims of the people? Thats how you get your country's best people killed and ruin entire generations. I'll pass. My country still has freedom of speech and a right to bear arms. Those on the continent can not dream of such rights.