Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Sovaal]

About time the right formed a coherent demonstration. Much love from Canada.

Yep, running people over with a car is a demonstration as long as the person who does it I agree with.

[Sovaal]

Condolences to the injured and the dead, but please don't stand in the street. It's dumb and may get you hit by a car, even by accident.

Probably would be smart if the police put barricades on the streets.

[Thermodolia]

What? They where not fucking defending the driver just the opposite. Can't you see that?

You're still approaching this as if it was a statement made in complete earnest. It was a joke. I was taking that statement and using its implications to come to a completely opposite, but internally consistent, conclusion. That you apparently needed this spelled out for you is quite telling.

Are you actually reading the posts or are you to stubborn to admit that you dun goofed

Pot-kettle.

Oh whoops.

[The East Marches II]

I've been trying to watch the news but I haven't got any reports. CNN has been actually very neutral on the matter not assigning blame to one side or another. Do we have an idea of who did it beyond conjecture?

[Ostroeuropa]

The counter protesters kind of dropped the ball in the tone of their counter protest imo.

You could easily fry the whitenats brains by singing battle cry of freedom and waving the US flag, and would have served to underline the political point and defuse the "heritage" stuff by appealing to the countries actual heritage, while also appropriating nationalism/patriotism from them.

It's also relevant lyrically.
Down with the traitors, up with the stars.

[Napkiraly]

Which is of course the issue - where their primary loyalty was. And it wasn't to the Union. Hence they were traitors.

In all fairness, can you blame someone for not wanting to be the one to raze their own home?

If my home was taken over by traitors and rebels, I'd demand to light the fucker up myself.

Which is of course the issue - where their primary loyalty was. And it wasn't to the Union. Hence they were traitors.

Hence why they where called rebels. But for them an even greater level of treason would be to go against their own states.

And I don't particularly care if they thought that. Others recognized that the greater treason was to rise up in rebellion against the nation they had once sworn loyalty to.

[Proctopeo]

Condolences to the injured and the dead, but please don't stand in the street. It's dumb and may get you hit by a car, even by accident.

Probably would be smart if the police put barricades on the streets.

That doesn't make standing in the street a smart thing to do. The police should've, but it's not always possible. Especially if you don't fully know where a crowd of protesters currently is, and where they plan to go.

[Sovaal]

In all fairness, can you blame someone for not wanting to be the one to raze their own home?

If my home was taken over by traitors and rebels, I'd demand to light the fucker up myself.

Hence why they where called rebels. But for them an even greater level of treason would be to go against their own states.

And I don't particularly care if they thought that. Others recognized that the greater treason was to rise up in rebellion against the nation they had once sworn loyalty to.

Except not every one saw it that way. The America of then was different from the America of today and how Americans saw themselves has changed as well.

[Thermodolia]

The Civil War was pretty weird in all truth. You had slave states siding with the loyalists. Pro peace militias on both sides running amok, and people from all over loyalists states joining the rebellion. Then you had the governor's of northern Mexico finding common cause with the Confederacy, and trying to secede.

Then of course you had counties across the CSA that remained loyal to the Union and broke out in rebellion against the CSA.

My county opposed the CSA. Most of the people living there were unionists

[Nexus of All Realities]

They've yet to identify the driver: white, black, gray, or two-headed. The reports are very vague.

[Olerand]

This story about these statues are the funniest thing... This man led an army that killed Americans... And yet, he has a statue in front of buildings in America, and Americans marching to defend him.

America...

There is a statue of Napoleon at Apsley House in London. The Duke of Wellington's residence....

As there should be. Napoleon should have been in London in person, if Albion weren't so perfidious.

So even when you declare yourself not American, and kill Americans, and attempt to capture America's capital, and wish harm and worse on America, you are still Americans.

Wow, I didn't take America for the magnanimous type. I don't think anyone has been this magnanimous in history even. Kudos to America.

Before the war they were American. After the war they were American. Unless we did mass ethnic cleansing and replaced the inhabitants of the south, southerners were always American. It's a bit difficult to view from our lense, considering America is much more homogenized now than it was in the 1860s. American did not mean Yankee.

So during the war, they were not. Lee is significant to history for? His acts prior to the war, his acts post the war? Or his acts during the time of open rebellion?

So he was a traitor who knew when to quit?

A traitor who for all intents, and purposes left the federal military because his home state seceded. Expecting him to have actually fought against his own state is a bit much.

His "state" was America. He was in the American military, not the Virginian, or North Carolinian, or Louisianian, or Mississippian army.

So he was a traitor who knew when to quit?

Believe it or not, he didn't want further bloodshed. There was a call from some in the South for guerrilla war, but he was, more or less, the one who talked them out of it.

So he was a traitor who knew when to quit.

Considering Sherman's March to the Sea, I actually wish the Confederacy would have fought on. The Union would have then scorched the entire South, and we wouldn't be having these problems today as the South and its politics would be subdued for good.

So he was a traitor who knew when to quit?

He was a traitor who didn't draw out a losing war to avoid harming both sides more and then after the war worked to make up for being a traitor. Also he was someone both sides respected. Whether you consider what he did after the war worth memorializing is up to you.

As a Virginian, I was also taught that he didn't want the war, he was asked to fight for both sides, and chose the South because all of his family lived in the South. I haven't actually seen the sources that suggest that (I would imagine letters or memoirs of friends he talked to about it), I was just told it in the course of lectures in US history classes.

Personally I think he deserves to be remembered, probably not on government properties, but certainly at the college he expanded and improved as president (so much so that they changed the name to include him).

So he was indeed a traitor who knew when to quit.

I never said he should be written out of the history books. But he should certainly not have statues glorifying him in the country that he once fought to defeat. And he shouldn't have citizens of that country defending his statues either.

[Licana]

I've been trying to watch the news but I haven't got any reports. CNN has been actually very neutral on the matter not assigning blame to one side or another. Do we have an idea of who did it beyond conjecture?

Nothing beyond conjecture yet, as far as I have seen.

[Proctopeo]

They've yet to identify the driver: white, black, gray, or two-headed. The reports are very vague.

The smart money is a rogue self-driving car, clearly.

[Sovaal]

They've yet to identify the driver: white, black, gray, or two-headed. The reports are very vague.

The smart money is a rogue self-driving car, clearly.

So Skynet is trying to start the Second Civil War?

[The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates]

About time the right formed a coherent demonstration. Much love from Canada.

Yep, running people over with a car is a demonstration as long as the person who does it I agree with.

Meh. Sometimes you need to go to the extremes to get your point across. Violence is not inherently bad.

[Nexus of All Realities]

They've yet to identify the driver: white, black, gray, or two-headed. The reports are very vague.

The smart money is a rogue self-driving car, clearly.

Oh my, a racist car.

[Thermodolia]

Which is of course the issue - where their primary loyalty was. And it wasn't to the Union. Hence they were traitors.

In all fairness, can you blame someone for not wanting to be the one to raze their own home?

If my home was full of traitors I'd do it

[Olerand]

The counter protesters kind of dropped the ball in the tone of their counter protest imo.

You could easily fry the whitenats brains by singing battle cry of freedom and waving the US flag, and would have served to underline the political point and defuse the "heritage" stuff by appealing to the countries actual heritage, while also appropriating nationalism/patriotism from them.

It's also relevant lyrically.
Down with the traitors, up with the stars.

But they wouldn't do that. Because... "leftist" protesters in America just don't know how to protest. They don't know how to strike a cord with the public, how to make themselves more appealing to the greater public of America.
And that is why they lose, and why even when they are objectively right, so little of mainstream America will mobilize for them. It's a problem of public relations.

They should send people to draw some inspiration from France Insoumise's protests, French flags abound.

[Proctopeo]

The smart money is a rogue self-driving car, clearly.

So Skynet is trying to start the Second Civil War?

Yes. It can't get our nuclear launch systems, but it can get our automated transportation.

[Nexus of All Realities]

In all fairness, can you blame someone for not wanting to be the one to raze their own home?

If my home was full of traitors I'd do it

Then why blame Nationalists?

[Ethel mermania]

Act of violence? Yes. Terrosrist attack? No.

This was the use of violence in a contentious situation between two conflicting groups. Not the targeting of civilians in order to further a political agenda by instilling fear into the populace at large. I mean if we want to consider it terrorism then why not consider the beatdowns doled out by Antifa at various other protests for people who were more or less just holding up sins in opposition to their ideological terrorist.

I more or less agree. That said if the state goes after the driver and whoever helped him prep the attack as a capital case, I would be fine with that.

[Sovaal]

So Skynet is trying to start the Second Civil War?

Yes. It can't get our nuclear launch systems, but it can get our automated transportation.

At least our truckers aren't robots yet.

But lets hope that he doesn't decide to flip the switch on the internet.

[Nexus of All Realities]

Yep, running people over with a car is a demonstration as long as the person who does it I agree with.

Meh. Sometimes you need to go to the extremes to get your point across. Violence is not inherently bad.

Meeting violence with same never is...

[Proctopeo]

Yes. It can't get our nuclear launch systems, but it can get our automated transportation.

At least our truckers aren't robots yet.

But lets hope that he doesn't decide to flip the switch on the internet.

Hopefully Skynet doesn't have control of the Internet in our reality

[MERIZoC]

Condolences to the injured and the dead, but please don't stand in the street. It's dumb and may get you hit by a car, even by accident.

Fuck outta here with that

This was no accident, it was clearly intentional. Your victim blaming is disgusting.