Charlottesville: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Nexus of All Realities]

Which sums up this thread rather well.

Not entirely true at all since cults using actions to bring about the end aren't freedom fighters. Unless you count ending humanity as a merciful freedom.

Which one are you referring to as a cult?

[Fartsniffage]

The white nat march was made up of genetic trash, the man who plowed the car into the crowd and killed someone should get the death penalty slapped onto him, the statue of Lee should be torn down.

This story about these statues are the funniest thing... This man led an army that killed Americans... And yet, he has a statue in front of buildings in America, and Americans marching to defend him.

America...

There is a statue of Napoleon at Apsley House in London. The Duke of Wellington's residence....

[Benuty]

Thus, the Confederacy's freedom fighters are America's traitors.

Even worse, the south seceded to have the "freedom" to take away other men's freedom.

To play devil's advocate you cannot be human technically if you are property.

[Hurdergaryp]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

Thus, the Confederacy's freedom fighters are America's traitors.

Well, they weren't exactly fighting for the freedom of all the people in the South. They were actively fighting for the interests of those who owned slaves and wanted to continue to do so.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Thus, the Confederacy's freedom fighters are America's traitors.

Even worse, the south seceded to have the "freedom" to take away other men's freedom.

What's wrong with that? This is America! We can do what we want? Who are you to restrict my freedoms? Why do you hate America?

[Aellex]

There is a statue of Napoleon at Apsley House in London. The Duke of Wellington's residence....

Probably has more to do with Britain's unhealthy fetishization of its handful of victories during the Napoleonic Wars.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This story about these statues are the funniest thing... This man led an army that killed Americans... And yet, he has a statue in front of buildings in America, and Americans marching to defend him.

America...

There is a statue of Napoleon at Apsley House in London. The Duke of Wellington's residence....

They bought it from France as a trophy. Imagine you're a superhero who decorates your fortress of platitudes with items taken from villains?

[Torrocca]

Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised another Nazi bastard would go off and commit such a heinous act.

My condolences go out to the deceased, the injured, and their families.

[Hakons]

The southerners were always Americans and our countrymen. Though they chose to rebel to protect an abomination, they were still our countrymen. If we would say they were no longer American, that would be saying the south was no longer in the United States, essentially identifying them as a different nation, and not a rebellion within America.

So even when you declare yourself not American, and kill Americans, and attempt to capture America's capital, and wish harm and worse on America, you are still Americans.

Wow, I didn't take America for the magnanimous type. I don't think anyone has been this magnanimous in history even. Kudos to America.

Before the war they were American. After the war they were American. Unless we did mass ethnic cleansing and replaced the inhabitants of the south, southerners were always American. It's a bit difficult to view from our lense, considering America is much more homogenized now than it was in the 1860s. American did not mean Yankee.

[Liriena]

There is a statue of Napoleon at Apsley House in London. The Duke of Wellington's residence....

They bought it from France as a trophy. Imagine you're a superhero who decorates your fortress of platitudes with items taken from villains?

So... the Duke of Wellingon was Batman and Apsley House was his Batcave?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

They bought it from France as a trophy. Imagine you're a superhero who decorates your fortress of platitudes with items taken from villains?

So... the Duke of Wellingon was Batman and Apsley House was his Batcave?

More like Captain Qwark.

[Hakons]

Even worse, the south seceded to have the "freedom" to take away other men's freedom.

To play devil's advocate you cannot be human technically if you are property.

Correct, so the slaves were never property. They were... slaves.

[Napkiraly]

There is a statue of Napoleon at Apsley House in London. The Duke of Wellington's residence....

Probably has more to do with Britain's unhealthy fetishization of its handful of victories during the Napoleonic Wars.

"Handful". Is that what you call kicking you out of Iberia, India, Sicily, Egypt, and the Seven Seas?

[Nexus of All Realities]

Actually it was only about slavery in the mind of the North. A good excuse anyway. A good way to enforce overreaching federalism.

Vile revisionism. Here, a few quotes from official Southern statements from that era:

- South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union. In its “Declaration of Immediate Causes” the government of South Carolina itself said that secession was necessary due to “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery.”

- In its Declaration of Secession, the state of Mississippi wrote, “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery.” It went on, “A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition [of slavery], or a dissolution of the Union.”

- In his famous Cornerstone Address, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stevens made it absolutely clear what caused secession and justified the Civil War. “The new [Confederate] Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.”

They feared the release of an incompatible people into their nation; so did Lincoln. They feared reprisals from a resentful population of freed slaves and what they considered to be the true nature of black people, rightly or wrongly.

[Gauthier]

RIP Balk....

Another casualty of the Charlottesville attack.

[Fartsniffage]

There is a statue of Napoleon at Apsley House in London. The Duke of Wellington's residence....

Probably has more to do with Britain's unhealthy fetishization of its handful of victories during the Napoleonic Wars.

Still say the Eurostar should have terminated at Waterloo instead of St. Pancras....

[Aellex]

["Handful". Is that what you call kicking you out of Iberia, India, Sicily, Egypt, and the Seven Seas?

Please, as usual, you just let everyone else do the job for you and only came out from your little islands to steal the laurels someone else had sweated to win. Truly, that is the Anglo way.

[Hakons]

Even worse, the south seceded to have the "freedom" to take away other men's freedom.

What's wrong with that? This is America! We can do what we want? Who are you to restrict my freedoms? Why do you hate America?

America is all about freedom, but those freedoms end where others' begin.

[Nerovia]

Very sad news here. Both of the political left and right need to show respect to each other while expressing their views.

But I know that's gonna be a hard thing to do.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

What's wrong with that? This is America! We can do what we want? Who are you to restrict my freedoms? Why do you hate America?

America is all about freedom, but those freedoms end where others' begin.

What?! Freedom ends?! What sort of commie are you?!

["Handful". Is that what you call kicking you out of Iberia, India, Sicily, Egypt, and the Seven Seas?

Please, as usual, you just let everyone else do the job for you and only came out from your little islands to steal the laurels someone else had sweated to win. Truly, that is the Anglo way.

I'll just be over here, winning the west.

[Benuty]

The Civil War was pretty weird in all truth. You had slave states siding with the loyalists. Pro peace militias on both sides running amok, and people from all over loyalists states joining the rebellion. Then you had the governor's of northern Mexico finding common cause with the Confederacy, and trying to secede.

[Empire of Cats]

What's wrong with that? This is America! We can do what we want? Who are you to restrict my freedoms? Why do you hate America?

America is all about freedom, but those freedoms end where others' begin.

Exactly. You have the freedom to do what you want so long as it does not interfere with another's freedom.

[Napkiraly]

["Handful". Is that what you call kicking you out of Iberia, India, Sicily, Egypt, and the Seven Seas?

Please, as usual, you just let everyone else do the job for you and only came out from your little islands to steal the laurels someone else had sweated to win. Truly, that is the Anglo way.

>Using your own manpower instead of pushing foreigners to expend their manpower on your enemies so you can come out on top of both
Absolutely French, this is why Napoleon lost and died on a British island. :^)

[Benuty]

Not entirely true at all since cults using actions to bring about the end aren't freedom fighters. Unless you count ending humanity as a merciful freedom.

Which one are you referring to as a cult?

The general state of "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighters". It most certainly cannot be viewed as an absolute statement.

[Empire of Cats]

America is all about freedom, but those freedoms end where others' begin.

What?! Freedom ends?! What sort of commie are you?!

Please, as usual, you just let everyone else do the job for you and only came out from your little islands to steal the laurels someone else had sweated to win. Truly, that is the Anglo way.

I'll just be over here, winning the west.

More like putting it to the sword, I think you mean.