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Postby Insaeldor » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:44 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Liriena wrote:They were also traitors who explicitly founded a rogue state for the purposes of defending the institution of slavery.

Actually it was only about slavery in the mind of the North. A good excuse anyway. A good way to enforce overreaching federalism.

Actually it was about preserving the Union of American states. For the south it was about preserving a socio-economic system that involved slavery. Slavery only really became an issue for the north as a way to gain the moral high ground.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:44 pm

Izirag wrote:I don't understand the protesters' passion for preserving anything of American culture, the very nation that systematically exploits those of European descent for its own hypocritical gains. Counter-protest filth, you deserve what you got and much more. The hypocrites with their "peaceful" ideologies aimed at reducing our numbers and oppressing and using us as much as possible, let the pigs choke on their own blood. Always painting Nazism/racism as the ultimate evil, while the globalist trash seeks to ethnically mix everybody into mediocrity and dominate all facets of human life. Pathetic hypocrites whose end goal is a twisted vision of utopia where everyone is a mild-mannered, docile drone to propagate those they serve. Yes, you outnumber us just as cockroaches do, but like all fools, you will fail on your own accord. We, who are against you, will be victorious. Your bones will be crushed under our feet and you will be nothing but a pathetic memory of the rats that got too ambitious.


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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Bruh, not cool.


So they werent antifa.

huh, condolences then.


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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:44 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:No they where traitors


Just playing devil's advocate, but what does that make our Founding Fathers? In relation to the Brits, that is.

Not traitors at least not to me.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:45 pm

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Trotskylvania wrote:"...The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies. When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy."


No, I understand the force of the enemy. Nor, do I classify myself as fascist. Once again, muh stereotyping. Do you not understand? You are my enemy, your lack of originality is exactly the type of thing that is pervading this world today. You keep trying to put me with a label and that is the type of anti-intellectual sentiment I hate that has fostered this mediocre society.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:45 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Torsiedelle wrote:
The Confederates were American, too.

No they where traitors

American traitors.
Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Liriena wrote:They were also traitors who explicitly founded a rogue state for the purposes of defending the institution of slavery.

Actually it was only about slavery in the mind of the North. A good excuse anyway. A good way to enforce overreaching federalism.

>This apologetics

If it was about slavery to the North and not the South, then why were all the CSA states slave states while there were a couple in the Union?
Empire of Cats wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No they where traitors


Just playing devil's advocate, but what does that make our Founding Fathers?

Traitors.
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Postby Olerand » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:45 pm

Aellex wrote:
Olerand wrote:This story about these statues are the funniest thing... This man led an army that killed Americans... And yet, he has a statue in front of buildings in America, and Americans marching to defend him. :roll:

America...

To be fair, and playing the devil's advocate here, we do have statues of Danton and Robespierre despite both of them killing more Frenchmen than they ever did foreigners.

Did they rise up in rebellion against France? Did they commit treason against France?

Hell, I would even understand having statues of Toussaint Louverture for his historical significance, but Lee? The Confederacy lost the war, they were a blink of the eye of History, and their legacy has been more powerful (and harmful) than their existence.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:45 pm



Alex Jones says something bullshit about a Terrorist Attack In other news: bear spotted shiting in woods.

But really, I'm surprised that he went against something that Trump said.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:46 pm

Olerand wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The white nat march was made up of genetic trash, the man who plowed the car into the crowd and killed someone should get the death penalty slapped onto him, the statue of Lee should be torn down.

This story about these statues are the funniest thing... This man led an army that killed Americans... And yet, he has a statue in front of buildings in America, and Americans marching to defend him. :roll:

America...


Southerners were Americans, just in rebellion.
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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:46 pm

Empire of Cats wrote:Well, Trump pulled a Trump and refused to condemn the KKK and white nationalism after his press conference...

It was mutual combat. Big deal.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:46 pm


It's only terrorism when the driver is a Muslim, silly.
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Postby Olerand » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:46 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Olerand wrote:This story about these statues are the funniest thing... This man led an army that killed Americans... And yet, he has a statue in front of buildings in America, and Americans marching to defend him. :roll:

America...

Uh at the time he lead an army that killed soldiers of the Union.

The Union being? Did America change its name? Its flag, its State, its Constitution, its capital? Who is this Union?
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Postby Olerand » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:47 pm

Empire of Cats wrote:Well, Trump pulled a Trump and refused to condemn the KKK and white nationalism after his press conference...

I read that he barely even talked about anything. He talked about veterans and how bad things are bad.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:48 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Liriena wrote:They were also traitors who explicitly founded a rogue state for the purposes of defending the institution of slavery.

Actually it was only about slavery in the mind of the North. A good excuse anyway. A good way to enforce overreaching federalism.


The South seceded to preserve slavery, as stated in almost every State act of secession.
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Postby Insaeldor » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:48 pm

Olerand wrote:
Empire of Cats wrote:Well, Trump pulled a Trump and refused to condemn the KKK and white nationalism after his press conference...

I read that he barely even talked about anything. He talked about veterans and how bad things are bad.

Mainly because the event he was at was about veterans and him signing a bill regarding veterans affairs.
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Postby Licana » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:48 pm

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Logical conclusion based on your merit of ideological "evil."

You do realize that they where talking about the fucking Nazis? 6 to 11 million is the holocaust number


Yes, so? Is killing more than that somehow less "evil" than killing this precise, arbitrary number of people? Is 11 million a tragedy, but 100 million a statistic?

Should tongue-in-cheek statements be approached as if they were 100% serious at all times?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:48 pm

Empire of Cats wrote:Well, Trump pulled a Trump and refused to condemn the KKK and white nationalism after his press conference...


I'm angry but what he said isn't surprising.

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Empire of Cats wrote:Well, Trump pulled a Trump and refused to condemn the KKK and white nationalism after his press conference...

It was mutual combat. Big deal.


It wasn't.

It was a terrorist attack.

Nothing 'mutual' about it, it was peaceful protest then the Alt Right struck first.

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Postby Hakons » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:49 pm

Gauthier wrote:

It's only terrorism when the driver is a Muslim, silly.


I would say the car attack was terrorism, probably inspired by similar terrorist attacks in Europe.
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Postby Olerand » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:49 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Empire of Cats wrote:
Just playing devil's advocate, but what does that make our Founding Fathers? In relation to the Brits, that is.

Not traitors at least not to me.

Had they lost they would have been traitors, as America would have remained Britain. But they won. So in America, they are liberators. In Britain, traitors.
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Postby Empire of Cats » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:49 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Empire of Cats wrote:Well, Trump pulled a Trump and refused to condemn the KKK and white nationalism after his press conference...

It was mutual combat. Big deal.


Between a car and a protestor? :eyebrow:

Olerand wrote:
Empire of Cats wrote:Well, Trump pulled a Trump and refused to condemn the KKK and white nationalism after his press conference...

I read that he barely even talked about anything. He talked about veterans and how bad things are bad.


I heard that too.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:49 pm

Olerand wrote:
Nexus of All Realities wrote:Uh at the time he lead an army that killed soldiers of the Union.

The Union being? Did America change its name? Its flag, its State, its Constitution, its capital? Who is this Union?

The Union is usually used to refer to the loyalist states during the Civil War, because they were fighting to preserve the Union. Also the North and just the US, but the Union works too.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:50 pm

Nexus of All Realities wrote:
Liriena wrote:They were also traitors who explicitly founded a rogue state for the purposes of defending the institution of slavery.

Actually it was only about slavery in the mind of the North. A good excuse anyway. A good way to enforce overreaching federalism.

I think that is wrong.

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Postby Olerand » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:51 pm

Hakons wrote:
Olerand wrote:This story about these statues are the funniest thing... This man led an army that killed Americans... And yet, he has a statue in front of buildings in America, and Americans marching to defend him. :roll:

America...


Southerners were Americans, just in rebellion.

So... When you literally declare yourself out of America, raise your guns in rebellion, kill Americans, loot American homes... You're still American? Damn, what does somebody have to do to stop being American?

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Postby Nexus of All Realities » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:51 pm

Olerand wrote:
Aellex wrote:To be fair, and playing the devil's advocate here, we do have statues of Danton and Robespierre despite both of them killing more Frenchmen than they ever did foreigners.

Did they rise up in rebellion against France? Did they commit treason against France?

Hell, I would even understand having statues of Toussaint Louverture for his historical significance, but Lee? The Confederacy lost the war, they were a blink of the eye of History, and their legacy has been more powerful (and harmful) than their existence.

No they only took peoples lives with no justification most of the time. You're a true Leftist.

They viciously rose in rebellion against people whom they believed were a threat to their hegemony.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:51 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Nexus of All Realities wrote:Actually it was only about slavery in the mind of the North. A good excuse anyway. A good way to enforce overreaching federalism.

I think that is wrong.

NoAR strongly subscribes to vicious revisionism.


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Postby Hakons » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:52 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Olerand wrote:The Union being? Did America change its name? Its flag, its State, its Constitution, its capital? Who is this Union?

The Union is usually used to refer to the loyalist states during the Civil War, because they were fighting to preserve the Union. Also the North and just the US, but the Union works too.


We should honestly drop the Union terminology. We were the United States of America the entire time.
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