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[The East Marches II]

Thats called a wash. Prenups are insurance my friend, God gave them to us for a reason.

They're not "insurance", because you can guarantee opposing council will find loopholes in said agreement that will result in you getting screwed. Not only that, prenup agreements openly suggest that you have no faith in the marriage lasting.

Your first sentence was raw defeatism and willful overlooking of a solution to suit your worldview. The second is a misunderstanding. I don't buy insurance because I'm sure I'll have an accident in my car. I buy it just in case. Same applies for a pre nup.

[The Blaatschapen]

Indeed. But the point still stands being married to some one who doesnt want to be isn't fun, and I would rather be unmarried,.....

Unless it's bree Olsen and she is willing to fake it.

..... I would go for that.

....

You make it hard, on this one, to say otherwise.

Bree Olsen tends to do that

[Costa Fierro]

Prenups basically say "I don't trust you".

No, it doesn't.

Yes it does. You sign a prenup, you're basically asking for divorce.

Your first sentence was raw defeatism and willful overlooking of a solution to suit your worldview. The second is a misunderstanding. I don't buy insurance because I'm sure I'll have an accident in my car. I buy it just in case. Same applies for a pre nup.

Insurance is "just in case" (or required by law in some jurisdictions). Prenups are not insurance at all because the courts system will find a loophole in the agreement, and it is guaranteeing that a marriage will fail.

And it's not raw defeatism or overlooking anything. Divorces bring out the absolute worst in people, and the family court system is stacked against men. What I am saying happens all the time not just in the US but virtually every other Western country and even in some non-Western countries with Western-style legal systems and marriage laws.

If you want to make the argument that "feels are more important than reals" then go ahead, but you will not convince me otherwise.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They're not "insurance", because you can guarantee opposing council will find loopholes in said agreement that will result in you getting screwed. Not only that, prenup agreements openly suggest that you have no faith in the marriage lasting.

Your first sentence was raw defeatism and willful overlooking of a solution to suit your worldview. The second is a misunderstanding. I don't buy insurance because I'm sure I'll have an accident in my car. I buy it just in case. Same applies for a pre nup.

Honestly, I do understand the sentiment. I used to have that sentiment before: "Why would I ever sign on a prenup? My wife should love me and stay with me all my life or not marry at all".

Now, I don't think that way. I think that prenups are for both the benefit of the spouse who initiates the prenup and the benefit of the spouse who complies to the prenup.

In a particularly bad marriage and divorce, it can be hard to remain balanced and give the other person enough to not be financially crippled after the divorce without one because we want to fuck them over and their dog. Prenups ensure that both parties go out of the marriage with good financial terms, if drawn up accordingly.

[The East Marches II]

No, it doesn't.

Yes it does. You sign a prenup, you're basically asking for divorce.

Your first sentence was raw defeatism and willful overlooking of a solution to suit your worldview. The second is a misunderstanding. I don't buy insurance because I'm sure I'll have an accident in my car. I buy it just in case. Same applies for a pre nup.

Insurance is "just in case" (or required by law in some jurisdictions). Prenups are not insurance at all because the courts system will find a loophole in the agreement, and it is guaranteeing that a marriage will fail.

And it's not raw defeatism or overlooking anything. Divorces bring out the absolute worst in people, and the family court system is stacked against men. What I am saying happens all the time not just in the US but virtually every other Western country and even in some non-Western countries with Western-style legal systems and marriage laws.

If you want to make the argument that "feels are more important than reals" then go ahead, but you will not convince me otherwise.

Yeah m8, your post only confirms raw defeatism. You are gonna need proofs for the bolded :^)

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, it doesn't.

Yes it does. You sign a prenup, you're basically asking for divorce.

I have talked with the girls I had serious relationships with about financials in the case of divorce and breakups (even with my current one), and, honestly, while I might be an asshole, I don't want them to suffer financially just because I'm hurt emotionally. So if I ever marry this girl I'm dating I would, indeed, propose to sign a prenup/postnup. For their benefit more than mine, and I'd make sure my lawyer knows that I want the fairest terms out of the deal that leaves my spouse in a good financial situation after divorce without ruining me either.

[Bakery Hill]

MGTOWism is not just a warped attempt at rationalising failure, it seems to celebrate failure as well. Sociologists will be writing about this for many years.

[The East Marches II]

Your first sentence was raw defeatism and willful overlooking of a solution to suit your worldview. The second is a misunderstanding. I don't buy insurance because I'm sure I'll have an accident in my car. I buy it just in case. Same applies for a pre nup.

Honestly, I do understand the sentiment. I used to have that sentiment before: "Why would I ever sign on a prenup? My wife should love me and stay with me all my life or not marry at all".

Now, I don't think that way. I think that prenups are for both the benefit of the spouse who initiates the prenup and the benefit of the spouse who complies to the prenup.

In a particularly bad marriage and divorce, it can be hard to remain balanced and give the other person enough to not be financially crippled after the divorce without one because we want to fuck them over and their dog. Prenups ensure that both parties go out of the marriage with good financial terms, if drawn up accordingly.

Which is unfortunate that last sentence is the legal intention and not just a private one. They put in a proviso in some states about whether it's conscionable. A prenup should be treated like any other contract, whatever is in the 4 corners of the paper go.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

MGTOWism is not just a warped attempt at rationalising failure, it seems to celebrate failure as well. Sociologists will be writing about this for many years.

MGTOW is literally being confronted with a person's shitty choices in partners being the lowest common denominator and deciding it must be those evil women who have strung them all along to make those shitty choices instead of just realizing they are to blame for their shit choices in women.

[Bakery Hill]

MGTOWism is not just a warped attempt at rationalising failure, it seems to celebrate failure as well. Sociologists will be writing about this for many years.

MGTOW is literally being confronted with a person's shitty choices in partners being the lowest common denominator and deciding it must be those evil women who have strung them all along to make those shitty choices instead of just realizing they are to blame for their shit choices in women.

I think that's giving them far too much credit tbh

[Costa Fierro]

Yeah m8, your post only confirms raw defeatism. You are gonna need proofs for the bolded :^)

Come up with a better counter argument. Also, again, it's not "defeatism". It's realism. Calling it defeatism would mean it's an emotional argument. It's not. If you looked at a contract by where one party agrees to be legally and financially bound to another party that is entitled to at least half of your assets in the event of a dissolution of the contract, despite said assets not being owned by them prior to the contract, would you sign it? Look at it from a financial perspective. Would you willingly sign half of your personal savings and other property of material value away?

Which is unfortunate that last sentence is the legal intention and not just a private one. They put in a proviso in some states about whether it's conscionable. A prenup should be treated like any other contract, whatever is in the 4 corners of the paper go.

And if it's treated like any contract, you can guarantee there will be a load of fine print a person who signs contracts normally would not read until there comes a time when said contract is being terminated, and terms you agreed to are being used against you to strip you of your property and finances.

I have talked with the girls I had serious relationships with about financials in the case of divorce and breakups (even with my current one), and, honestly, while I might be an asshole, I don't want them to suffer financially just because I'm hurt emotionally.

I like how you seem to think that you can screw someone over in a divorce. Let's put it this way: you can act like the nicest person but if your partner wanted to, she could clean you out of everything you own, house, car, personal finances. Everything. Acting like an asshole would only ensure that you got absolutely nothing in the settlement, save for perhaps her debts because the government loves to lump divorced men with their spouse's debt (well in the US anyway).

So if I ever marry this girl I'm dating I would, indeed, propose to sign a prenup/postnup. For their benefit more than mine, and I'd make sure my lawyer knows that I want the fairest terms out of the deal that leaves my spouse in a good financial situation after divorce without ruining me either.

Oh she could easily get a good financial situation, but you wouldn't get a single cent if she didn't want you to.

MGTOWism is not just a warped attempt at rationalising failure, it seems to celebrate failure as well. Sociologists will be writing about this for many years.

And yet, it's becoming increasingly popular. Go figure. Although I wouldn't call it "failure", because what exactly are we failing to do?

[Bakery Hill]

MGTOWism is not just a warped attempt at rationalising failure, it seems to celebrate failure as well. Sociologists will be writing about this for many years.

And yet, it's becoming increasingly popular. Go figure. Although I wouldn't call it "failure", because what exactly are we failing to do?

How popular is it? I've seen your reddit, me and my girlfriend check it out sometimes when we're bored. I did enjoy the spiel about how mothers are incapable of love as it is a male emotion. Over 400 upvotes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah m8, your post only confirms raw defeatism. You are gonna need proofs for the bolded :^)

Come up with a better counter argument. Also, again, it's not "defeatism". It's realism. Calling it defeatism would mean it's an emotional argument. It's not. If you looked at a contract by where one party agrees to be legally and financially bound to another party that is entitled to at least half of your assets in the event of a dissolution of the contract, despite said assets not being owned by them prior to the contract, would you sign it? Look at it from a financial perspective. Would you willingly sign half of your personal savings and other property of material value away?

Which is unfortunate that last sentence is the legal intention and not just a private one. They put in a proviso in some states about whether it's conscionable. A prenup should be treated like any other contract, whatever is in the 4 corners of the paper go.

And if it's treated like any contract, you can guarantee there will be a load of fine print a person who signs contracts normally would not read until there comes a time when said contract is being terminated, and terms you agreed to are being used against you to strip you of your property and finances.

I have talked with the girls I had serious relationships with about financials in the case of divorce and breakups (even with my current one), and, honestly, while I might be an asshole, I don't want them to suffer financially just because I'm hurt emotionally.

I like how you seem to think that you can screw someone over in a divorce. Let's put it this way: you can act like the nicest person but if your partner wanted to, she could clean you out of everything you own, house, car, personal finances. Everything. Acting like an asshole would only ensure that you got absolutely nothing in the settlement, save for perhaps her debts because the government loves to lump divorced men with their spouse's debt (well in the US anyway).

So if I ever marry this girl I'm dating I would, indeed, propose to sign a prenup/postnup. For their benefit more than mine, and I'd make sure my lawyer knows that I want the fairest terms out of the deal that leaves my spouse in a good financial situation after divorce without ruining me either.

Oh she could easily get a good financial situation, but you wouldn't get a single cent if she didn't want you to.

MGTOWism is not just a warped attempt at rationalising failure, it seems to celebrate failure as well. Sociologists will be writing about this for many years.

And yet, it's becoming increasingly popular. Go figure. Although I wouldn't call it "failure", because what exactly are we failing to do?

Oh, don't underestimate the fact that I can screw anyone over in a deal. I can, I just have never felt the necessity to do it.

Also, with debts and partners, that's exactly what happens in a divorce without prenup: the wealthier partner ends up with the debts of both people. Women also get the debts of the man if the man is less well off. And she cleaning you off out of everything you have is exactly what happens without a prenup. I'm pretty sure a prenup that's sorted out by both parties and their lawyers is what you're looking at, here. Plenty of prenups don't go through legal arbitration, so plenty of them contain clauses that are illegal in their state so they do get thrown out. You're talking about the vast majority of people who think a prenup is some sort of informal contract. While the sort of contract I'm talking about is one that is both agreed upon by both parties, reviewed by lawyers, and notarized by a public notary.

You seem to presume too much about the American legal system, but in reality, you don't know much about it, much like other people who go to divorce court.

Also, MGTOW being popular

[Bakery Hill]

And a question for you people, how does MGTOW explain me having romantic success exclusively with rich chicks?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And yet, it's becoming increasingly popular. Go figure. Although I wouldn't call it "failure", because what exactly are we failing to do?

How popular is it? I've seen your reddit, me and my girlfriend check it out sometimes when we're bored. I did enjoy the spiel about how mothers are incapable of love as it is a male emotion. Over 400 upvotes.

If this is the sort of arguments MGTOWs make, one must wonder just how really popular is it.

Because that honestly sounds deranged. To even get 400 upvotes is perturbing.

[Bakery Hill]

How popular is it? I've seen your reddit, me and my girlfriend check it out sometimes when we're bored. I did enjoy the spiel about how mothers are incapable of love as it is a male emotion. Over 400 upvotes.

If this is the sort of arguments MGTOWs make, one must wonder just how really popular is it.

Because that honestly sounds deranged. To even get 400 upvotes is perturbing.

I was going to link but I honestly didn't want to.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And a question for you people, how does MGTOW explain me having romantic success exclusively with rich chicks?

Easy: you must probably be a cuckold who lets your rich girl sleep with other men because no Decent Man^tm would ever let a woman be wealthier than he, let alone presume such a rich girl doesn't have other men in tow. Because obviously all rich women are merely Rapacious Harpies^tm who are out to gut you out of your money, which is how they made all that moolah.

Or at least I imagine that's how they'd rationalize it.

[Natapoc]

This is what happens to little boys who get all their information about women from MRA blogs. OP, I think you should forget everything you think you know about women and try getting to know a few as friends and equals. If you are able to set aside your stereotypes about women and stop getting your information from weird blogs than you will not need to ask these kinds of questions anymore.

[Luminesa]

Prenup doesn't suggest that you think your marriage won't last.

Prenups basically say "I don't trust you".

Prenup suggests shit happens, and both sides are insured in the case something happens that the terms will be fair. Which is why you end up getting a lawyer for it.

There is never going to be enough insurance for men in divorce courts as long as said divorce courts are openly biased against men.

So let me get this straight. Essentially what you're saying is, "Divorce-courts hate men, and I'm going to lose everything if we get divorced, but I don't want to do a pre-nup because that means I don't trust my wife, even though I don't trust her in the first place because she's probably gonna do me over anyway."

It really is self-defeating, just like Marches said. You're not even giving yourself a chance to think about having a stable relationship with a woman, and when you come close you take a proverbial fountain pen and just start stabbing yourself repeatedly with it. I can understand, on one hand, being afraid of relationships if you've watched a lot of close relationships fail. But this does not mean they don't exist. It just takes work. You have to step outside of your own presuppositions and be willing to try. Otherwise, yes. Every girl you ever meet will do you over and take all of your stuff, because you'll never see outside of the girls in your mind, who are all vicious vampires waiting to suck-out your blood.

[Luminesa]

And yet, it's becoming increasingly popular. Go figure. Although I wouldn't call it "failure", because what exactly are we failing to do?

How popular is it? I've seen your reddit, me and my girlfriend check it out sometimes when we're bored. I did enjoy the spiel about how mothers are incapable of love as it is a male emotion. Over 400 upvotes.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Prenups basically say "I don't trust you".



There is never going to be enough insurance for men in divorce courts as long as said divorce courts are openly biased against men.

So let me get this straight. Essentially what you're saying is, "Divorce-courts hate men, and I'm going to lose everything if we get divorced, but I don't want to do a pre-nup because that means I don't trust my wife, even though I don't trust her in the first place because she's probably gonna do me over anyway."

It really is self-defeating, just like Marches said. You're not even giving yourself a chance to think about having a stable relationship with a woman, and when you come close you take a proverbial fountain pen and just start stabbing yourself repeatedly with it. I can understand, on one hand, being afraid of relationships if you've watched a lot of close relationships fail. But this does not mean they don't exist. It just takes work. You have to step outside of your own presuppositions and be willing to try. Otherwise, yes. Every girl you ever meet will do you over and take all of your stuff, because you'll never see outside of the girls in your mind, who are all vicious vampires waiting to suck-out your blood.

But we are vampires

[Summertimequestionswine]

I would never think to just ask her of course.

[Baltenstein]

I never understood the logic behind this sort of question - "how will she react when she learns that I'm a virgin?"
Why tell her? Why bring it up?
Are there actually women - and men - who examine their date's virginity status? If so, I luckily haven't run into them.

[Luminesa]

So let me get this straight. Essentially what you're saying is, "Divorce-courts hate men, and I'm going to lose everything if we get divorced, but I don't want to do a pre-nup because that means I don't trust my wife, even though I don't trust her in the first place because she's probably gonna do me over anyway."

It really is self-defeating, just like Marches said. You're not even giving yourself a chance to think about having a stable relationship with a woman, and when you come close you take a proverbial fountain pen and just start stabbing yourself repeatedly with it. I can understand, on one hand, being afraid of relationships if you've watched a lot of close relationships fail. But this does not mean they don't exist. It just takes work. You have to step outside of your own presuppositions and be willing to try. Otherwise, yes. Every girl you ever meet will do you over and take all of your stuff, because you'll never see outside of the girls in your mind, who are all vicious vampires waiting to suck-out your blood.

But we are vampires

WAIT. IS THAT WHY I STAY INSIDE ALL THE TIME NOW?!
FLIP.
Brb, getting the stake.

[Threlizdun]

Obsession with virginity is frankly rather creepy. If being a virgin is a dealbreaker for a potential romantic partner, then they honestly are a shitty option for a partner. There really isn't any reason you'd ever have to bring it up unless both of you planned on having sex, and even then, if your partner genuinely cares for you it shouldn't be such a big deal. Everyone loses their virginity at different times. Some people never lose it. There's nothing wrong with if or when you lose it.