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Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:54 am**

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
People said the same thing about him getting elected in the first place, I guess it all depends on what the Dems do.

1. Lets not act like the Dems are paragons when it comes to human rights, and 2. their economics are pretty shitty.

1. Compared to the only remotely viable political alternatives, the GOP, the Greens, and the Libertarians, they are.

2. Compared to market socialism in a social democracy, sure, but compared to the corporate police state advocated by Republicans and Libertarians, they're objectively better.

>"corporate police state"
>Libertarians
go home

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:54 am**

Grenartia wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
500 bathrooms and more free trade.

Yes, this is policy that wins elections and helps the country.

You didn't just build and attack a strawman, you bombed an entire straw village.

Tell her if this looks like more free trade

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:54 am**

The of Japan wrote:Don't most libertarians argue for reduced police and government powers?

Yes.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:55 am**

UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
500 bathrooms and more free trade.

Yes, this is policy that wins elections and helps the country.

Nice try, except that those bathrooms only come in two varieties
Free trade might not help shiftless blue collars who want to keep doing the same shit over again, but it definitely does help the economy.

*helps corporations and fucks everyone else

t. Rustbelt

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:56 am**

Grenartia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Define useless skills?

Not being shitty in terms of human rights, and not being as shitty in terms of economics.

What human rights has Trump violated outside of foreign actions?

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:56 am**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Down with the page limit wall?

Down with moderator tyranny!

*shoots self*
*shot bounces off iron armor*

Hey, man, at least I tried.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:56 am**

Grand Britannia wrote:
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Nice try, except that those bathrooms only come in two varieties
Free trade might not help shiftless blue collars who want to keep doing the same shit over again, but it definitely does help the economy.

*helps corporations and fucks everyone else

t. Rustbelt

then why is a party that supposedly supports corporations be the one to advocate for protectionism?

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:56 am**

The of Japan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh both parties economics are all sorts of fucked.

Yes, Libertarians like I advocate a corporate police state lol

Don't most libertarians argue for reduced police and government powers?

Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a collection of political philosophies and movements that uphold liberty as a core principle.[1] Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association, individual judgment, and self-ownership.[2][3][4][5][6]

Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power. However, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or to dissolve coercive social institutions.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:56 am**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ism wrote:I don't think "not being shitty" is meant to imply the Dems are paragons of virtue. As for economics, meh, better than the trickle down the Reps have adopted.

Tbqh both parties economics are all sorts of fucked.

Are you coming around comrade?

Grenartia wrote:2. Compared to market socialism in a social democracy, sure, but compared to the corporate police state advocated by Republicans and Libertarians, they're objectively better.

Yes, Libertarians like I advocate a corporate police state lol

Not you, or likeminded libertarians, but there are some who wouldn't care about such a things, at least not enough to not shrink the government as much as possible. Same for the Reps, really, many wouldn't want that.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:57 am**

UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
You didn't just build and attack a strawman, you bombed an entire straw village.

Tell her if this looks like more free trade

Tell me if the Candidate they fielded wasn't stupidly pro-free trade.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:58 am**

Grenartia wrote:
Frenequesta wrote:Hey, we've actually got a subtitle this time!

Not to mention it's not really indicative of the economy's health as a whole anyway.

Corporate profits are at all time highs, while the lower and middle classes still struggle to get by. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, a trend that will only continue to accelerate under Trump.

But muh trickle down economics

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:58 am**

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Not being shitty in terms of human rights, and not being as shitty in terms of economics.

What human rights has Trump violated outside of foreign actions?

He cozies up with human rights violators, does that count?

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:59 am**

Pasong Tirad wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What human rights has Trump violated outside of foreign actions?

He cozies up with human rights violators, does that count?

That doesn't really differentiate him from any administration in US history.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:59 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Corporate profits are at all time highs, while the lower and middle classes still struggle to get by. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, a trend that will only continue to accelerate under Trump.

But muh trickle down economics

I doubt raising taxes on the middle class helps them, nor will incentivizing people to not work.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:59 am**

The of Japan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh both parties economics are all sorts of fucked.

Yes, Libertarians like I advocate a corporate police state lol

Don't most libertarians argue for reduced police and government powers?

They do, but what they emphasize as "how weak should the government be before it is too weak" varies from Libertarian to Libertarian.

In other words, they want a minimalist government that holds certain duties and responsibilities as well as secure enough rights for the populace, but not all of them desire a hands-off approach to government, let alone a weak form of government.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:59 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Corporate profits are at all time highs, while the lower and middle classes still struggle to get by. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, a trend that will only continue to accelerate under Trump.

But muh trickle down economics

Let's try Reaganomics again

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:00 pm**

Time for more shitposting, am I right?

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:00 pm**

Vassenor wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Corporate profits are at all time highs, while the lower and middle classes still struggle to get by. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, a trend that will only continue to accelerate under Trump.

But muh trickle down economics

by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:00 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's about the same chance flipping a coin sixteen times in a row and getting heads everytime. Not impossible, but not very likely.

People said the same thing about him getting elected in the first place, I guess it all depends on what the Dems do.

Thing is though, Trump's election was unlikely, all things considered. It's just that unlikely things can and do happen.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:00 pm**

Ism wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tbqh both parties economics are all sorts of fucked.

Are you coming around comrade?

God no, left wing economics are all sorts of silly. I just don't like our corporate welfare pseudo free trade nonsense.

Ism wrote:Not you, or likeminded libertarians, but there are some who wouldn't care about such a things, at least not enough to not shrink the government as much as possible. Same for the Reps, really, many wouldn't want that.

Maybe the nuttiest of an-caps might not care, but that's certainly not a normal Libertarian position.

Pasong Tirad wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What human rights has Trump violated outside of foreign actions?

He cozies up with human rights violators, does that count?

Every president for the past 90 years has done that.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm**

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
People said the same thing about him getting elected in the first place, I guess it all depends on what the Dems do.

1. Lets not act like the Dems are paragons when it comes to human rights, and 2. their economics are pretty shitty.

1. Compared to the only remotely viable political alternatives, the GOP, ~~the Greens, and the Libertarians,~~ they are.

2. Compared to market socialism in a social democracy, sure, but compared to the corporate police state advocated by Republicans and Libertarians, they're objectively better.

FTFY

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm**

Grand Britannia wrote:
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Nice try, except that those bathrooms only come in two varieties
Free trade might not help shiftless blue collars who want to keep doing the same shit over again, but it definitely does help the economy.

*helps corporations and fucks everyone else

t. Rustbelt

It...really doesn't do that unless you let it.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:He cozies up with human rights violators, does that count?

Every president for the past 90 years has done that.

They've all been human rights violators then (if it counts, that is).

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm**

The of Japan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But muh trickle down economics

by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.

The idea that aligning the economy to help the wealthiest will somehow make everyone richer. The wealth trickles down.

In practice it's just a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

Posted: **Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm**

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
People said the same thing about him getting elected in the first place, I guess it all depends on what the Dems do.

Thing is though, Trump's election was unlikely, all things considered. It's just that unlikely things can and do happen.

Once the Cubs won we should have known something was crazy about 2016.

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