Trump MAGAthread VIII: Make the MAGAthread Great Again

[Valrifell]

What?

I think you need to learn the difference between explaining something and justifying or defending something. Saying that Kim is threatening the world to preserve his regime is not an endorsement of his backwards and oppressive system of government, it's the most likely explanation for why he's doing this. Since the Kims, I assume, likes being alive and likes being in great power.

His saying that Trump possibly taking preemptive action is somehow being like a "manbaby" is almost like a defense of Kim actions. Kim wise and justified in defending his regime while leading Trump by the nose. Kimmy is unstable and belligerent, he needs to be removed. Maybe you should learn to read between the lines.

I think you're reading too much into this and looking for things to get offended over.

[Thermodolia]

Id support a Chinese led intervention into NK to change the government if it means the Kim's aren't in power anymore

We'd still have an oppressive autocratic government in the North, all in all likelihood. A far more unstable one, since regime changes through force tend to do that, I doubt the military will so willingly back a Chinese propped strongman, and I think China realizes this, which is why they've not tried it before. Forcing a regime change on their de facto puppet can only result in the creation of an even harder to control puppet or the loss of North Korea entirely.

Unfortunately. Military purges are a thing. Though I'd much rather a Chinese led oppressive autocratic government compared to the current situation.

[Sane Outcasts]

It's official, Trump administration will end DACA and defer a complete shutdown to allow Congress to create a legislative version:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Tuesday scrapped a program that protects from deportation almost 800,000 young men and women who were brought into the United States illegally as children, giving a gridlocked Congress six months to decide their fate.

Trump’s action, announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, rescinds a program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). The program, created by Democratic former President Barack Obama, is supported by Democrats and many business leaders. The Trump administration said no current beneficiaries of the program would be affected before March 5.

Since I've not seen any legislative alternative presented by his own administration and Congress is bogged down by other legislation and gridlock, I assume Trump means for the program to die completely in a way he can push responsibility off on someone else.

[Greater Cesnica]

We'd still have an oppressive autocratic government in the North, all in all likelihood. A far more unstable one, since regime changes through force tend to do that, I doubt the military will so willingly back a Chinese propped strongman, and I think China realizes this, which is why they've not tried it before. Forcing a regime change on their de facto puppet can only result in the creation of an even harder to control puppet or the loss of North Korea entirely.

Unfortunately. Military purges are a thing. Though I'd much rather a Chinese led oppressive autocratic government compared to the current situation.

General Mao killed the most people in history...

[Kramania]

It's official, Trump administration will end DACA and defer a complete shutdown to allow Congress to create a legislative version:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Tuesday scrapped a program that protects from deportation almost 800,000 young men and women who were brought into the United States illegally as children, giving a gridlocked Congress six months to decide their fate.

Trump’s action, announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, rescinds a program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). The program, created by Democratic former President Barack Obama, is supported by Democrats and many business leaders. The Trump administration said no current beneficiaries of the program would be affected before March 5.

Since I've not seen any legislative alternative presented by his own administration and Congress is bogged down by other legislation and gridlock, I assume Trump means for the program to die completely in a way he can push responsibility off on someone else.

Bwahahahahaha the God-Emperor strikes again.

And yeah, Congress has the constitutional authority on immigration so they should legislate on it. But they're completely ineffective which is why even many Republicans were pushing for Trump to keep DACA. They don't want to have to actually legislate on anything.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's official, Trump administration will end DACA and defer a complete shutdown to allow Congress to create a legislative version:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Tuesday scrapped a program that protects from deportation almost 800,000 young men and women who were brought into the United States illegally as children, giving a gridlocked Congress six months to decide their fate.

Trump’s action, announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, rescinds a program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). The program, created by Democratic former President Barack Obama, is supported by Democrats and many business leaders. The Trump administration said no current beneficiaries of the program would be affected before March 5.

Since I've not seen any legislative alternative presented by his own administration and Congress is bogged down by other legislation and gridlock, I assume Trump means for the program to die completely in a way he can push responsibility off on someone else.

This was going to happen the moment the idea was lobbied around.

[Valrifell]

It's official, Trump administration will end DACA and defer a complete shutdown to allow Congress to create a legislative version:


Since I've not seen any legislative alternative presented by his own administration and Congress is bogged down by other legislation and gridlock, I assume Trump means for the program to die completely in a way he can push responsibility off on someone else.

Bwahahahahaha the God-Emperor strikes again.

And yeah, Congress has the constitutional authority on immigration so they should legislate on it. But they're completely ineffective which is why even many Republicans were pushing for Trump to keep DACA. They don't want to have to actually legislate on anything.

I thought the President was the constitutional authority on Immigration, which was why he was allowed to make that EO about banning Muslims from certain territories.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Thinking about it, this is exactly what was going to happen, Democrat or Republican leader in the White House.

Obama's policy was merely a stop-gap measure. It wasn't policy, but rather a directive to law enforcement and to be fair, it couldn't go on like that.

The intended purpose of the deferred action was to give enough time for congress to get its shit together, not be an indefinite license for congress to not do anything.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Bwahahahahaha the God-Emperor strikes again.

And yeah, Congress has the constitutional authority on immigration so they should legislate on it. But they're completely ineffective which is why even many Republicans were pushing for Trump to keep DACA. They don't want to have to actually legislate on anything.

I thought the President was the constitutional authority on Immigration, which was why he was allowed to make that EO about banning Muslims from certain territories.

Congress has the constitutional authority to make law, and the president has constitutional authority to enforce it.

His EO was a mandate to law enforcement to "defer action", that doesn't make the Dreamers not liable for deportation, it just makes them not a target of ICE.

[Corrian]

Yet another reason to despise Trump.

[Nexus of All Realities]

Yet another reason to despise Trump.

A man is known by the enemies he makes. (quality of or lack thereof)

[Kramania]

Bwahahahahaha the God-Emperor strikes again.

And yeah, Congress has the constitutional authority on immigration so they should legislate on it. But they're completely ineffective which is why even many Republicans were pushing for Trump to keep DACA. They don't want to have to actually legislate on anything.

I thought the President was the constitutional authority on Immigration, which was why he was allowed to make that EO about banning Muslims from certain territories.

He's the ultimate authority on foreign relations (travel bans are a matter of foreign relations). Congress is the ultimate constitutional authority on immigration which is why so many people thought DACA was illegal.

[Steffan]

Almost at 500 again...Christ

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I thought the President was the constitutional authority on Immigration, which was why he was allowed to make that EO about banning Muslims from certain territories.

He's the ultimate authority on foreign relations (travel bans are a matter of foreign relations). Congress is the ultimate constitutional authority on immigration which is why so many people thought DACA was illegal.

And it'd be a wrong assertion since all that DACA was allowed to do (and was later disputed in court and the opposite party won) is to defer action against certain people from ICE.

That this provided them with certain benefits in several states (and in particular California) was a state matter, not a Federal one.

The only reason people thought DACA was unconstitutional is because they didn't understand what DACA was meant to do, which is prioritize immigration enforcement, which is something the president can do. To have a permanent policy, congress needs to act.

[Kramania]

He's the ultimate authority on foreign relations (travel bans are a matter of foreign relations). Congress is the ultimate constitutional authority on immigration which is why so many people thought DACA was illegal.

And it'd be a wrong assertion since all that DACA was allowed to do (and was later disputed in court and the opposite party won) is to defer action against certain people from ICE.

That this provided them with certain benefits in several states (and in particular California) was a state matter, not a Federal one.

The only reason people thought DACA was unconstitutional is because they didn't understand what DACA was meant to do, which is prioritize immigration enforcement, which is something the president can do. To have a permanent policy, congress needs to act.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just explaining the matter.

[Geilinor]

I thought the President was the constitutional authority on Immigration, which was why he was allowed to make that EO about banning Muslims from certain territories.

He's the ultimate authority on foreign relations (travel bans are a matter of foreign relations). Congress is the ultimate constitutional authority on immigration which is why so many people thought DACA was illegal.

It would be a misunderstanding to think that the courts can only rule on domestic issues. They have, for example, ruled on the cases of some people accused of terrorism in the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdan_v._Rumsfeld

[Kramania]

Yet another reason to despise Trump.

For you maybe.

[Clintonburge]

It's official, Trump administration will end DACA and defer a complete shutdown to allow Congress to create a legislative version:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Tuesday scrapped a program that protects from deportation almost 800,000 young men and women who were brought into the United States illegally as children, giving a gridlocked Congress six months to decide their fate.

Trump’s action, announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, rescinds a program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). The program, created by Democratic former President Barack Obama, is supported by Democrats and many business leaders. The Trump administration said no current beneficiaries of the program would be affected before March 5.

Since I've not seen any legislative alternative presented by his own administration and Congress is bogged down by other legislation and gridlock, I assume Trump means for the program to die completely in a way he can push responsibility off on someone else.

I believe the proposed BRIDGE Act would help DACA recipients.

[Reploid Productions]

Yet another reason to despise Trump.

A man is known by the enemies he makes. (quality of or lack thereof)

Attempting to be "clever" about flaming/flamebaiting your opposition is still flaming/flamebaiting, and your track record makes it pretty clear that you are unable or unwilling to self-correct your own conduct to conform to the site rules. Given that this case is relatively mild, rather than escalate to a 7-day ban, I'll keep it at the same 3-day level as your last one, but be aware that account deletion (and eventual Delete-On-Sight) is where you'll end up if you do not correct your own behavior.

*** Nexus of All Realities, 3-day ban for flamebaiting. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Justified Hatred]

A man is known by the enemies he makes. (quality of or lack thereof)

Attempting to be "clever" about flaming/flamebaiting your opposition is still flaming/flamebaiting, and your track record makes it pretty clear that you are unable or unwilling to self-correct your own conduct to conform to the site rules. Given that this case is relatively mild, rather than escalate to a 7-day ban, I'll keep it at the same 3-day level as your last one, but be aware that account deletion (and eventual Delete-On-Sight) is where you'll end up if you do not correct your own behavior.

*** Nexus of All Realities, 3-day ban for flamebaiting. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Fuck it, lady. Just ban the nation poimannent-like let's be done with it

[Reploid Productions]

Fuck it, lady. Just ban the nation poimannent-like let's be done with it

*** Nexus of All Realities/Justified Hatred, DEAT for posting-past-ban. ***


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Clintonburge]

Report: Bannon Says ‘GOP should brace for a fight with Trump’s base’

[Senkaku]

Yet another reason to despise Trump.

For you maybe.

Seems to me it's the definition of punishing children for their parents' crimes, but why do you feel it's justified or a good policy?

It's official, Trump administration will end DACA and defer a complete shutdown to allow Congress to create a legislative version:


Since I've not seen any legislative alternative presented by his own administration and Congress is bogged down by other legislation and gridlock, I assume Trump means for the program to die completely in a way he can push responsibility off on someone else.

I believe the proposed BRIDGE Act would help DACA recipients.

There's a snowball's chance that Congress will actually pass anything to help Dreamers.

[Clintonburge]

I believe the proposed BRIDGE Act would help DACA recipients.

There's a snowball's chance that Congress will actually pass anything to help Dreamers.

Reminds me of the time Republican senators would bring snowballs into the Senate to disprove Global Warming

[Steffan]

Report: Bannon Says ‘GOP should brace for a fight with Trump’s base’

GOP is gonna tear itself apart...
*grabs popcorn*