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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:56 pm

Kannap wrote:
Serrus wrote:International politics, and meanwhile I need to sleep but I can't because I still have school tomorrow.

This statement confuses me. If one has school tomorrow, would it not be better to sleep so that one is well rested for their responsibilities throughout the day?

Exactly. However, it is inevitable that the confusion of these confusing times trickles down from the halls of power in order to saturate our everyday lives.


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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Kannap wrote:I was going to ask if he placed a TL;DR somewhere, but assuming that he could not trim the paper below 800 pages there may not be a just way to summarize it well.

Sometimes things just aren't that easy. This is a hard message to convey to the masses, because masses do not like things to be difficult and complex.


Understandable, thus is the problem with trying to convey to the masses that the environment needs to be protected or we are all fucked. It's a large, complex topic.

Hopefully people like having no polar ice caps, higher temperatures, and wildfires engulfing large portions of the planet.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Arienta wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:And we have been fake friends for 5.
Dump his ass.


I was just minding my own business when I heard someone was talking smack.

The World Assembly is a terrible idea not only in theory but in execution.

You are Kannaps friend?
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Arienta wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Sometimes things just aren't that easy. This is a hard message to convey to the masses, because masses do not like things to be difficult and complex.


So what is the thesis of this paper? What does it suggest will trigger war?


Read it.
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Postby Arienta » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:59 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Arienta wrote:
I was just minding my own business when I heard someone was talking smack.

The World Assembly is a terrible idea not only in theory but in execution.

You are Kannaps friend?


I am.

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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:59 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Arienta wrote:
I was just minding my own business when I heard someone was talking smack.

The World Assembly is a terrible idea not only in theory but in execution.

You are Kannaps friend?


I reserve the right to plausible deniability.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:59 pm

Kannap wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:A note for future historians: here Ethel teaches us that falsehoods are more important than real life social contacts.


Is that what Trump's America is?

Nah, the internet dates back to al gore
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:01 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Kannap wrote:This statement confuses me. If one has school tomorrow, would it not be better to sleep so that one is well rested for their responsibilities throughout the day?

Exactly. However, it is inevitable that the confusion of these confusing times trickles down from the halls of power in order to saturate our everyday lives.


But what if that is what the confusion masters behind the manufacturing of these confusing times want you to think. Perhaps their real ambition is for you to be confused, they may very well feast upon it.

Sounds like a Doctor Who episode plot.
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Postby Arienta » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:03 pm

Kannap wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Exactly. However, it is inevitable that the confusion of these confusing times trickles down from the halls of power in order to saturate our everyday lives.


But what if that is what the confusion masters behind the manufacturing of these confusing times want you to think. Perhaps their real ambition is for you to be confused, they may very well feast upon it.

Sounds like a Doctor Who episode plot.


If a conspiracy exists, it would probably want you to be confused and then to decide to lack conviction on any matter.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:03 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Kannap wrote:I was going to ask if he placed a TL;DR somewhere, but assuming that he could not trim the paper below 800 pages there may not be a just way to summarize it well.

Sometimes things just aren't that easy. This is a hard message to convey to the masses, because masses do not like things to be difficult and complex.

The tensions causing potential war are not necessarily western. The kurds, catalaln independence, India - china, India - pakastan, the koreas, China and taiwan. Lots of things can blow up that don't necessarily make us the bad guys.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:04 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Is that what Trump's America is?

Nah, the internet dates back to al gore


I bought an Al Gore book from Goodwill a while back and I honestly am not sure why I was compelled to do so.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:05 pm

Arienta wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You are Kannaps friend?


I am.

Speaking for kannaps fake friends of 5 years, You have our sympathies.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:06 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Sometimes things just aren't that easy. This is a hard message to convey to the masses, because masses do not like things to be difficult and complex.

The tensions causing potential war are not necessarily western. The kurds, catalaln independence, India - china, India - pakastan, the koreas, China and taiwan. Lots of things can blow up that don't necessarily make us the bad guys.


But will the Orange Peel and Rocket Man go off against each other soon?
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:07 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Arienta wrote:
I am.

Speaking for kannaps fake friends of 5 years, You have our sympathies.


I am a much more tolerable and agreeable person in person, I swear.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:08 pm

Kannap wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Sometimes things just aren't that easy. This is a hard message to convey to the masses, because masses do not like things to be difficult and complex.


Understandable, thus is the problem with trying to convey to the masses that the environment needs to be protected or we are all fucked. It's a large, complex topic.

Hopefully people like having no polar ice caps, higher temperatures, and wildfires engulfing large portions of the planet.

Works for me.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:08 pm

Kannap wrote:
Arienta wrote:So what is the thesis of this paper? What does it suggest will trigger war?

Read it.

It's pretty much about the dynamics of systems, these systems being human societies and the way they have adapted in the last 500 years in order to strengthen themselves against conflict.


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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:09 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Understandable, thus is the problem with trying to convey to the masses that the environment needs to be protected or we are all fucked. It's a large, complex topic.

Hopefully people like having no polar ice caps, higher temperatures, and wildfires engulfing large portions of the planet.

Works for me.


This is why canines are superior to felines
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:10 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Kannap wrote:Read it.

It's pretty much about the dynamics of systems, these systems being human societies and the way they have adapted in the last 500 years in order to strengthen themselves against conflict.


This reminds me, I still need to read Jared Diamond's Collapse. I wonder if I brought it to college with me or if I left it at home.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:11 pm

Kannap wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The tensions causing potential war are not necessarily western. The kurds, catalaln independence, India - china, India - pakastan, the koreas, China and taiwan. Lots of things can blow up that don't necessarily make us the bad guys.


But will the Orange Peel and Rocket Man go off against each other soon?

I wonder if paddy power has odds on it
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:12 pm

Kannap wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:It's pretty much about the dynamics of systems, these systems being human societies and the way they have adapted in the last 500 years in order to strengthen themselves against conflict.


This reminds me, I still need to read Jared Diamond's Collapse. I wonder if I brought it to college with me or if I left it at home.

Good book. I like him
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:16 pm

Kannap wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Speaking for kannaps fake friends of 5 years, You have our sympathies.

I am a much more tolerable and agreeable person in person, I swear.

We can only hope. It's more than I dare to say about myself, so that's a point in your favor.


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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:19 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
But will the Orange Peel and Rocket Man go off against each other soon?

I wonder if paddy power has odds on it


I have no idea what that is.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:20 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Kannap wrote:I am a much more tolerable and agreeable person in person, I swear.

We can only hope. It's more than I dare to say about myself, so that's a point in your favor.


Are we counting points now or is that too similar to counting posts?
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Postby Kannap » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:20 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kannap wrote:
This reminds me, I still need to read Jared Diamond's Collapse. I wonder if I brought it to college with me or if I left it at home.

Good book. I like him


I've heard only good things and bought the book with the intention to read it but haven't had the time to read it.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:22 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Sometimes things just aren't that easy. This is a hard message to convey to the masses, because masses do not like things to be difficult and complex.

The tensions causing potential war are not necessarily western. The kurds, catalaln independence, India - china, India - pakastan, the koreas, China and taiwan. Lots of things can blow up that don't necessarily make us the bad guys.

True as that may be, the global interdepency that defines the modern world means that we, and with 'we' I mean the West, is going to become involved nonetheless. Fallout doesn't give two shits about borderlines, for example. And let's face it, climate change is going to result in armed conflicts, if those are not happening already. Ethel may think that the shrinking ice caps are going to have no effect on him and his beloved ones at all, but he may very well be playing the fool for foolishness' sake.


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