Charlie bit it (and it really hurts)

[Oldenfranck]

Rest in peace charlie, you definitely in heaven now. I wish you did not have to go through this hell, and instead the evil people who helped you to your demise did. Not even letting you spend your final night in the arms of your parents in your home, sickening, what a nasty final blow. Jokes on them now, they shall reap what they have sown, and God shall deal with them accordingly, while he shall give you wings to fly with the angels. Rip young Charlie, you inspired thousands, you will be missed in the saddest fashion, you're 5000 candles in the wind...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Rest in peace charlie, you definitely in heaven now. I wish you did not have to go through this hell, and instead the evil people who helped you to your demise did. Not even letting you spend your final night in the arms of your parents in your home, sickening, what a nasty final blow. Jokes on them now, they shall reap what they have sown, and God shall deal with them accordingly, while he shall give you wings to fly with the angels. Rip young Charlie, you inspired thousands, you will be missed in the saddest fashion, you're 5000 candles in the wind...

God is a sadistic joke.


I mean... should we commend you for so readily condemning your fellow humans to nonexistent eternal hellfire?

[Calladan]

Rest in peace charlie, you definitely in heaven now. I wish you did not have to go through this hell, and instead the evil people who helped you to your demise did. Not even letting you spend your final night in the arms of your parents in your home, sickening, what a nasty final blow. Jokes on them now, they shall reap what they have sown, and God shall deal with them accordingly, while he shall give you wings to fly with the angels. Rip young Charlie, you inspired thousands, you will be missed in the saddest fashion, you're 5000 candles in the wind...

God is a sadistic joke.


I mean... should we commend you for so readily condemning your fellow humans to nonexistent eternal hellfire?

See - I was going to ask if we should commend them for comparing a child to a dead horse in a tv show. But your question is good as well.

[Thyerata]

This struck me quite profoundly when I saw it.

The BBC, in their story announcing Charlie's death, published a photo of Charlie as a healthy baby. He was lying on his back (or his side). His hand was touching his chin, his eyes were open, and he was looking at the camera.

The Guardian's story announcing his death, by contrast, had a photo of Charlie on his ventilator. Again, he was facing the camera, but his eyes were closed (as if he were asleep). He had wires and tubes all around his face and head, and he had what looked like a toy monkey on the bed next to him.

What struck me is that these two photos show Charlie's short and dramatic nine-month journey from healthy baby, to his present state.

To paraphrase the Greek Orthodox evlogitaria for the dead, "give rest, o God, to the soul of your servant, and appoint for him a place in Paradise"

[Sovaal]

It's always good to trust the government.

Eh, not always.

[Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories]

Let's hope this sad story is put behind us, and the family allowed to grieve in private.

[Liberated Territories]

the NHS is perfect however /s

[Republic of British Russia]

the NHS is perfect however /s

I know, I have had several Operations on my skull throughout my childhood, my last and recent one in Year 9 (2012-13 ish) the Doctors and Nurses were lovely and treated me very well, the Hospital in question was the Birmingham children's hospital, they were very comforting to me before and after the Ops, in hindsight, this was a moral issue imo than a political one, and I am sure the Doctors and Nurses tried everything they could for Charlie but I understand why the Parents fought this, any parent would in the end at least Charlie with loving parents and in a caring hospital, RIP Charlie Gard

[Trotskylvania]

the NHS is perfect however /s

Maybe you should read the thread before posting.

Because this hyperbolic deathpanels nonsense that has been trotted out in the media is the grief-stricken delusions of parents struggling against the inevitable.

[Blitzkeig]

the NHS is perfect however /s

I know, I have had several Operations on my skull throughout my childhood, my last and recent one in Year 9 (2012-13 ish) the Doctors and Nurses were lovely and treated me very well, the Hospital in question was the Birmingham children's hospital, they were very comforting to me before and after the Ops, in hindsight, this was a moral issue imo than a political one, and I am sure the Doctors and Nurses tried everything they could for Charlie but I understand why the Parents fought this, any parent would in the end at least Charlie with loving parents and in a caring hospital, RIP Charlie Gard

BCS is a far better hospital to be in than GOSH (I've done something of a round-the-houses of them all, with my medical history.)

[New Grestin]

Rest in peace charlie, you definitely in heaven now. I wish you did not have to go through this hell, and instead the evil people who helped you to your demise did. Not even letting you spend your final night in the arms of your parents in your home, sickening, what a nasty final blow. Jokes on them now, they shall reap what they have sown, and God shall deal with them accordingly, while he shall give you wings to fly with the angels. Rip young Charlie, you inspired thousands, you will be missed in the saddest fashion, you're 5000 candles in the wind...

Don't break your hand jerking yourself off there, padre.

A kid just died. This isn't the kind of thing to do religious grandstanding over.

Just put a "hopes and prayers" post on Facebook or something like every other shithead does when these things happen.

[Liberated Territories]

the NHS is perfect however /s

Maybe you should read the thread before posting.

Because this hyperbolic deathpanels nonsense that has been trotted out in the media is the grief-stricken delusions of parents struggling against the inevitable.

Has it become so that if the state cannot fix it, it becomes "inevitable?" Sound reassurance to the parents of this child. And yet this handwaving over deathpanels doesn't obscure the fact the government had sentenced the kid to die, not the parents.

What a disgusting and monstrous view. This case solidifies my support for free market healthcare more than ever.

[Republic of British Russia]

I know, I have had several Operations on my skull throughout my childhood, my last and recent one in Year 9 (2012-13 ish) the Doctors and Nurses were lovely and treated me very well, the Hospital in question was the Birmingham children's hospital, they were very comforting to me before and after the Ops, in hindsight, this was a moral issue imo than a political one, and I am sure the Doctors and Nurses tried everything they could for Charlie but I understand why the Parents fought this, any parent would in the end at least Charlie with loving parents and in a caring hospital, RIP Charlie Gard

BCS is a far better hospital to be in than GOSH (I've done something of a round-the-houses of them all, with my medical history.)

I can see that, but still the NHS still did good for me and I am sure GOSH did try their best

[Great Nepal]

Maybe you should read the thread before posting.

Because this hyperbolic deathpanels nonsense that has been trotted out in the media is the grief-stricken delusions of parents struggling against the inevitable.

Has it become so that if the state cannot fix it, it becomes "inevitable?" Sound reassurance to the parents of this child. And yet this handwaving over deathpanels doesn't obscure the fact the government had sentenced the kid to die, not the parents.

What a disgusting and monstrous view. This case solidifies my support for free market healthcare more than ever.

Yes corporate interests determining if child should/not get care based on ability to pay is obviously preferable to judicial system using medical evidence to adjudicate best interest of child.

[Liberated Territories]

Has it become so that if the state cannot fix it, it becomes "inevitable?" Sound reassurance to the parents of this child. And yet this handwaving over deathpanels doesn't obscure the fact the government had sentenced the kid to die, not the parents.

What a disgusting and monstrous view. This case solidifies my support for free market healthcare more than ever.

Yes corporate interests determining if child should/not get care based on ability to pay is obviously preferable to judicial system using medical evidence to adjudicate best interest of child.

Why does a government understand what my best interest is? I know what my best interest is. I assume the parents know the better interest of their children than the very flawed judicial system you worship, one which sentences people to death or life in prison every year for the victimless decisions of individuals. At the most I have the option to choose where in the case of this child, that option was taken away under the pretense that the government knew what was "best." An option for life that would never be developed because of the strangulation of the marketplace and the elimination of choice.

I cannot talk about this topic. It fumes me.

[Calladan]

the NHS is perfect however /s

Maybe you should read the thread before posting.

Because this hyperbolic deathpanels nonsense that has been trotted out in the media is the grief-stricken delusions of parents struggling against the inevitable.

It's not even the parents. If you actually look at where it is coming from, it is almost all the American right, via social media (mostly Facebook and Twitter) and from there leaking into the press.

The parents, I have to say, appear to have behaved relatively well, given the circumstances they are under. By which I mean I have no clue what I would do in their situation, but the anger they feel towards The Hospital is - from a certain point of view - entirely understandable, and something that even I (which I will explain in a second) can understand and accept.

The "even I" part is that I have been in a lot of hospitals in my life, but from the time I was two days old to the time I was sixteen years old, I was in and out of Great Ormand Street more times than you would think possible (and I still go back there occasionally for tests and scans and such like), and I have very, very little patience for anyone who would take it upon themselves to suggest that the staff who work there are anything less than professional and who would suggest that they have anything less than the best interests of all their patients at heart.

[Trotskylvania]

Maybe you should read the thread before posting.

Because this hyperbolic deathpanels nonsense that has been trotted out in the media is the grief-stricken delusions of parents struggling against the inevitable.

Has it become so that if the state cannot fix it, it becomes "inevitable?" Sound reassurance to the parents of this child. And yet this handwaving over deathpanels doesn't obscure the fact the government had sentenced the kid to die, not the parents.

What a disgusting and monstrous view. This case solidifies my support for free market healthcare more than ever.

You instantly betray your utter ignorance of the issue.

The court case was not about the parents versus the state. It was Charlie's doctors versus the parents, his doctors, in their duty of care, not wanting the child to be put through a hail mary experimental treatment that would do nothing but increase the kid's misery. The parents, duped by a biotech charlatan into paying with cold hard cash for a biotech company's experimental procedure, chose a route that wouldn't save the kid's life, and at best would prolong his already unimaginable suffering.

[Blitzkeig]

BCS is a far better hospital to be in than GOSH (I've done something of a round-the-houses of them all, with my medical history.)

I can see that, but still the NHS still did good for me and I am sure GOSH did try their best

The nhs doesn't really have any reason to care about the individual. I've had better experiences with private. GOSH, unlike the rest of the service, isn't exactly poor.

[Federated Kingdom]

the suffering and death of a child being used to make political points

nice

[Great Nepal]

Yes corporate interests determining if child should/not get care based on ability to pay is obviously preferable to judicial system using medical evidence to adjudicate best interest of child.

Why does a government understand what my best interest is? I know what my best interest is. I assume the parents know the better interest of their children than the very flawed judicial system you worship, one which sentences people to death or life in prison every year for the victimless decisions of individuals. At the most I have the option to choose where in the case of this child, that option was taken away under the pretense that the government knew what was "best." An option for life that would never be developed because of the strangulation of the marketplace and the elimination of choice.

I cannot talk about this topic. It fumes me.

Clearly not, as evidenced by numerous abusive parents or parents who try to treat their children by crystals or parents who refuse to give child blood transfusion or one of million other things; as for why we accept judicial role as ultimate guarantor of rights of those who are unable to give such consent independently, it is one of axioms we take as a society which seems to generally work fine. It has its issues largely coming from the legislature but like with many things it's the best system available.

You can choose what you want to do with yourself as long as you're able to give informed consent, a child isn't and a child in effective coma certainly isn't. Parents don't get to decide whatever they want for another person just by virtue of being parents, judiciary has obligation to act as guarantor of child's rights.

And again, in your free market system this decision would be made not by judiciary taking competent medical advice to determine best interest of child but by executives determining cost of treatment vs potential cost of lawsuit. Even if we accept it is flawed attempt at determining best interest of child which you haven't demonstrated, that is infinitely preferable to not even attempting to take child's interests into account.

[Annihilators of Chan Island]

Rest in peace Charlie. You didn't deserve to have such an miserable, short and painful life.

Gotta say, the main thing I'm getting out of this whole story now is just how incredibly soulless the American political right is. I don't really know what's worse, the fact that their media (and, as a consequence, too many of the posters here) clearly haven't done their homework on the case or the fact that they so flagrantly want a infant to live in unimaginable agony for as long as humanly possible (and let's face it, in practice only a few months best case scenario), damn the expense, and damn the advice of the doctors.

[Great Nepal]

Rest in peace Charlie. You didn't deserve to have such an miserable, short and painful life.

Gotta say, the main thing I'm getting out of this whole story now is just how incredibly soulless the American political right is. I don't really know what's worse, the fact that their media (and, as a consequence, too many of the posters here) clearly haven't done their homework on the case or the fact that they so flagrantly want a infant to live in unimaginable agony for as long as humanly possible (and let's face it, in practice only a few months best case scenario), damn the expense, and damn the advice of the doctors.

You know this reaction was largely predicted during the original trial, the judge paraphrasing the expert witness she spoke to stated:

“[…] there was a cultural difference in philosophy between treatment in the United States and in the United Kingdom. She said that she tried to have the child at the centre of her actions and thoughts whereas in the United States, provided there is funding, they will try anything.”

[Ifreann]

Rest in peace charlie, you definitely in heaven now. I wish you did not have to go through this hell, and instead the evil people who helped you to your demise did. Not even letting you spend your final night in the arms of your parents in your home, sickening, what a nasty final blow. Jokes on them now, they shall reap what they have sown, and God shall deal with them accordingly, while he shall give you wings to fly with the angels. Rip young Charlie, you inspired thousands, you will be missed in the saddest fashion, you're 5000 candles in the wind...

Don't break your hand jerking yourself off there, padre.

A kid just died. This isn't the kind of thing to do religious grandstanding over.

Just put a "hopes and prayers" post on Facebook or something like every other shithead does when these things happen.

Hope what, that he comes back to life?

[Fartsniffage]

Don't break your hand jerking yourself off there, padre.

A kid just died. This isn't the kind of thing to do religious grandstanding over.

Just put a "hopes and prayers" post on Facebook or something like every other shithead does when these things happen.

Hope what, that he comes back to life?

Give it 2 more days....

[New Grestin]

Don't break your hand jerking yourself off there, padre.

A kid just died. This isn't the kind of thing to do religious grandstanding over.

Just put a "hopes and prayers" post on Facebook or something like every other shithead does when these things happen.

Hope what, that he comes back to life?

I've seen dumber things proposed on social media.