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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:26 pm

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Trotskylvania wrote:The Sacred Band of Thebes was well renowned for the soldiers...affection for one another.


Thebes or Spartaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

The Theban Sacred Band beat SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAA on the field of Leuctra on 6 July 371 BC.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:27 pm

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Thebes or Spartaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

The Theban Sacred Band beat SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAA on the field of Leuctra on 6 July 371 BC.


And then Macedon beat the Sacred Band :^)
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:30 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:The Theban Sacred Band beat SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAA on the field of Leuctra on 6 July 371 BC.


And then Macedon beat the Sacred Band :^)

They cheated. Philip had Prince Alexander ride into battle naked to distract the SB. :)
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Postby Improved werpland » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:27 pm

Shofercia wrote:*snip*

Yes I've read that article. It is a very clear example of how Mark was unable to overcome his niche narrative and/or bias to write something objective.

He also writes (intending to be humourous) about coercing his employees to do things. Ames clearly enjoyed being able to do that, but now he apparently deplores what happened to Russia in the 90's.
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Postby Brocialist » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:45 am

If this group isn't allied woth the US, then I would support them.

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Postby Kubra » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:21 am

Brocialist wrote:If this group isn't allied woth the US, then I would support them.
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if the capitalist is gonna sell you the noose, there's little reason in saying "nuh uh, I'm not trading in your blood money!"
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:24 am

Kubra wrote:
Brocialist wrote:If this group isn't allied woth the US, then I would support them.
Mediocre anti-imperialism
if the capitalist is gonna sell you the noose, there's little reason in saying "nuh uh, I'm not trading in your blood money!"
Basic comintern politics here, innit? This was fundamental of The Measures Taken.


Besides, if they aren't allied with the US, then they're probably allied with Russia, which has always been as shitty about imperialism as the US, contrary to popular belief.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:27 am

Grenartia wrote:
Kubra wrote: Mediocre anti-imperialism
if the capitalist is gonna sell you the noose, there's little reason in saying "nuh uh, I'm not trading in your blood money!"
Basic comintern politics here, innit? This was fundamental of The Measures Taken.


Besides, if they aren't allied with the US, then they're probably allied with Russia, which has always been as shitty about imperialism as the US, contrary to popular belief.
at this point they're allied with both, insofar as the SDF and the SAA are not just leaving each other alone, but in some cases jointly administering territory, with the SAA pushing the road east of raqqa leaving the kurds free to continue the cities seige.
I mean syria is kind of a clusterfuck idk how people act like it's not.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:28 am

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Grenartia wrote:
Besides, if they aren't allied with the US, then they're probably allied with Russia, which has always been as shitty about imperialism as the US, contrary to popular belief.
at this point they're allied with both, insofar as the SDF and the SAA are not just leaving each other alone, but in some cases jointly administering territory, with the SAA pushing the road east of raqqa leaving the kurds free to continue the cities seige.
I mean syria is kind of a clusterfuck idk how people act like it's not.


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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:49 am

Grenartia wrote:
Kubra wrote: Mediocre anti-imperialism
if the capitalist is gonna sell you the noose, there's little reason in saying "nuh uh, I'm not trading in your blood money!"
Basic comintern politics here, innit? This was fundamental of The Measures Taken.


Besides, if they aren't allied with the US, then they're probably allied with Russia, which has always been as shitty about imperialism as the US, contrary to popular belief.


If they are allied with russia then are they really worth our time?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:58 am

Idk about y'all but I'm really enjoying the thought of a bunch of radical gays fighting terrorists and triumphantly waving rainbow flags. If I were in better shape, I wouldn't mind joining them.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:13 am

Queer Insurgency and Liberation Army (TQILA)


Sounds like "Tequila"

Doesn't get more haraam than that

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Postby Benuty » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:14 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:Idk about y'all but I'm really enjoying the thought of a bunch of radical gays fighting terrorists and triumphantly waving rainbow flags. If I were in better shape, I wouldn't mind joining them.

You know I have the strangest feeling when this war is over the victor is going to encourage a glorious purge spree. I wouldn't be surprised if any foreign volunteer groups get whacked since they might be viewed as a threat.
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:49 pm

Improved Werpland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:*snip*

Yes I've read that article. It is a very clear example of how Mark was unable to overcome his niche narrative and/or bias to write something objective.

He also writes (intending to be humourous) about coercing his employees to do things. Ames clearly enjoyed being able to do that, but now he apparently deplores what happened to Russia in the 90's.


Mark's point was that the newspapers can control the narrative by sending experienced journalists to cover A's point of view, ensuring that it's fully covered, and second stringers to cover B's point of view, ensuring that it's marginally covered at best. As a result you get a story that heavily favors A over B.

That's an incredibly objective point, and we need more journalists like Ames to bring out that point. And yet, for you, it's the opposite of objectivity. Did Putin weaponize objectivity too?
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Postby Kubra » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:49 pm

Benuty wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Idk about y'all but I'm really enjoying the thought of a bunch of radical gays fighting terrorists and triumphantly waving rainbow flags. If I were in better shape, I wouldn't mind joining them.

You know I have the strangest feeling when this war is over the victor is going to encourage a glorious purge spree. I wouldn't be surprised if any foreign volunteer groups get whacked since they might be viewed as a threat.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:59 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Kubra wrote: Mediocre anti-imperialism
if the capitalist is gonna sell you the noose, there's little reason in saying "nuh uh, I'm not trading in your blood money!"
Basic comintern politics here, innit? This was fundamental of The Measures Taken.


Besides, if they aren't allied with the US, then they're probably allied with Russia, which has always been as shitty about imperialism as the US, contrary to popular belief.


Some say Russia is more an empire than a federation due to its massive size and its history of expansionism to reach that size. The parallel doesn't seem to jive with the US and its 50 states?
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:22 pm

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Besides, if they aren't allied with the US, then they're probably allied with Russia, which has always been as shitty about imperialism as the US, contrary to popular belief.


Some say Russia is more an empire than a federation due to its massive size and its history of expansionism to reach that size. The parallel doesn't seem to jive with the US and its 50 states?

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:46 pm

Krasny-Volny wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Besides, if they aren't allied with the US, then they're probably allied with Russia, which has always been as shitty about imperialism as the US, contrary to popular belief.


Some say Russia is more an empire than a federation due to its massive size and its history of expansionism to reach that size. The parallel doesn't seem to jive with the US and its 50 states?


Manifest Destiny isn't imperialism?

Imperialism doesn't necessarily mean you've got the most mileage.
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Postby Improved werpland » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:39 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Improved Werpland wrote:Yes I've read that article. It is a very clear example of how Mark was unable to overcome his niche narrative and/or bias to write something objective.

He also writes (intending to be humourous) about coercing his employees to do things. Ames clearly enjoyed being able to do that, but now he apparently deplores what happened to Russia in the 90's.


Mark's point was that the newspapers can control the narrative by sending experienced journalists to cover A's point of view, ensuring that it's fully covered, and second stringers to cover B's point of view, ensuring that it's marginally covered at best. As a result you get a story that heavily favors A over B.

That's an incredibly objective point, and we need more journalists like Ames to bring out that point. And yet, for you, it's the opposite of objectivity. Did Putin weaponize objectivity too?

I'll respond to this with a telegram, do not threadjack please. :)
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:54 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Krasny-Volny wrote:
Some say Russia is more an empire than a federation due to its massive size and its history of expansionism to reach that size. The parallel doesn't seem to jive with the US and its 50 states?


Manifest Destiny isn't imperialism?

Imperialism doesn't necessarily mean you've got the most mileage.

To be honest Manifest Destiny actually had an end goal. People in a position of power to enforce blatant imperialism normally doesn't want it to have an end goal that could see their system gone. You could definitely argue that the methods of slicing, and dicing across the west was imperialistic, but their was still an end goal.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:58 pm

Benuty wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Manifest Destiny isn't imperialism?

Imperialism doesn't necessarily mean you've got the most mileage.

To be honest Manifest Destiny actually had an end goal. People in a position of power to enforce blatant imperialism normally doesn't want it to have an end goal that could see their system gone. You could definitely argue that the methods of slicing, and dicing across the west was imperialistic, but their was still an end goal.


Except that the U.S didn't stop at California.

Hawaii and the Philippines.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:05 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Benuty wrote:To be honest Manifest Destiny actually had an end goal. People in a position of power to enforce blatant imperialism normally doesn't want it to have an end goal that could see their system gone. You could definitely argue that the methods of slicing, and dicing across the west was imperialistic, but their was still an end goal.


Except that the U.S didn't stop at California.

Hawaii and the Philippines.

Debatable really since the term, and use of manifest destiny reached its end goal in 1853, and got its biggest revival under a new vision in 1892. That is a 39 year absence with this new manifest destiny being something completely different from its predecessor. Hell any mention of further expansion pretty much dropped off the public debate because people were done with it. The civil war put a nice dent into any attempts to revive it for some time.
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:21 am

Improved Werpland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Mark's point was that the newspapers can control the narrative by sending experienced journalists to cover A's point of view, ensuring that it's fully covered, and second stringers to cover B's point of view, ensuring that it's marginally covered at best. As a result you get a story that heavily favors A over B.

That's an incredibly objective point, and we need more journalists like Ames to bring out that point. And yet, for you, it's the opposite of objectivity. Did Putin weaponize objectivity too?

I'll respond to this with a telegram, do not threadjack please. :)


Threadjacking - you keep using that word, but it doesn't seem that you know what it is. Talking about news coverage of wars, in a thread where the queer unit lacks said coverage, is most certainly on topic.

Seriously, who's been covering the unit?
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Postby Improved werpland » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:30 am

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Improved Werpland wrote:I'll respond to this with a telegram, do not threadjack please. :)


Threadjacking - you keep using that word, but it doesn't seem that you know what it is. Talking about news coverage of wars, in a thread where the queer unit lacks said coverage, is most certainly on topic.

Seriously, who's been covering the unit?

Every source listed in the original post plus many others? Don't kid yourself either anything about Kurds will receive disproportionate coverage in the media. In fact, it seems the whole thing was a media stunt, considering the YPG is denying they even exist.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:04 pm

Improved Werpland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Threadjacking - you keep using that word, but it doesn't seem that you know what it is. Talking about news coverage of wars, in a thread where the queer unit lacks said coverage, is most certainly on topic.

Seriously, who's been covering the unit?

Every source listed in the original post plus many others? Don't kid yourself either anything about Kurds will receive disproportionate coverage in the media. In fact, it seems the whole thing was a media stunt, considering the YPG is denying they even exist.


The OP has two sources... that's not much.

As far as the Kurds are concerned, when you're the good guys, and you defeat the bad guys at Kobane, you are going to be covered. The question now becomes - what's going to happen when the Turks and Kurds escalate the fighting in Syria...
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