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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:15 pm

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Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.

This isn't in Iraq.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:16 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote: It's pretty much a stereotype that you shouldn't trust Kurds because they'll stab you in the back. The current president of Iraqi Kurdistan was an enemy of Saddam, then an ally, then an enemy again.

What? Like Saddam and the United State? Almost as if that's how politics... works?

He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.

Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:17 pm

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Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.

You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.

Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

The Shi'a are more pro-Iran and Iraq is likely to fully switch over to them in the short term. Which after almost fifteen years of constant American commitment is just great.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:18 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:What? Like Saddam and the United State? Almost as if that's how politics... works?

He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.

Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.

Most Middle Eastern ethnicities don't have opinions of them. Most of the Middle East, and its inhabitants, don't live near Kurdistan.
Additionally, almost all of the Middle East is Arab, and will obviously side with the Arabs (Muslims) over the Kurds if necessary.

Finally, though the stereotype is truly present, I'm not entirely sure how this can be held over the Kurds.
Why should they be loyal?
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:19 pm

Olerand wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.

You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.

Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).


>illegal invasion

There is literally no such thing. We've been over this. It was all perfectly acceptable.

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Postby The Southern Confederacy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:19 pm

Olerand wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.

You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.

Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

What would a legal invasion look like?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:19 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:What? Like Saddam and the United State? Almost as if that's how politics... works?

He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.

Oh yeah, Barzani is a cunt. But you're acting like this is exceptional to the Kurds.

Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.

The Kurds think their allies stab them in the back, no friends but the mountains etc. The treacherous rebellious mountain people is a trope the world round from the Hmong to West Virginia.
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Postby Neo Balka » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:20 pm

Olerand wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.

You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.

Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).


Go ahead, call the UN, they cant uninvade you!
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:20 pm

The Southern Confederacy wrote:
Olerand wrote:You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.

Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

What would a legal invasion look like?

It'd probably look more successful. When everyone calls it illegal, it's a sign you've lost.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:20 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Olerand wrote:You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.

Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

The Shi'a are more pro-Iran and Iraq is likely to fully switch over to them in the short term. Which after almost fifteen years of constant American commitment is just great.

They're obviously pro-Iran, but not anti-America.

Does the regime in Baghdad behave with America as Teheran does?

Now, is this because they "like" America, of course not. No one "likes" America in the region. But America is useful, so they are not against it.
By the criteria of the region, they are "pro-America".
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:21 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.

Oh yeah, Barzani is a cunt. But you're acting like this is exceptional to the Kurds.

Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.

The Kurds think their allies stab them in the back, no friends but the mountains etc. The treacherous rebellious mountain people is a trope the world round from the Hmong to West Virginia.


I think you mean truism.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:22 pm

Olerand wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.

Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.

Most Middle Eastern ethnicities don't have opinions of them. Most of the Middle East, and its inhabitants, don't live near Kurdistan.
Additionally, almost all of the Middle East is Arab, and will obviously side with the Arabs (Muslims) over the Kurds if necessary.

Finally, though the stereotype is truly present, I'm not entirely sure how this can be held over the Kurds.
Why should they be loyal?

Because the only reason they have the land they do now is because those allies helped them get it. They were given it for helping other groups kill off the Armenians and Assyrians.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:22 pm

The Southern Confederacy wrote:
Olerand wrote:You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.

Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

What would a legal invasion look like?

One authorized by the Security Council, as stipulated in the United Nations Charter that America (but that was a different America of course) set up.
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Postby Siburria » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:23 pm

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:23 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Oh yeah, Barzani is a cunt. But you're acting like this is exceptional to the Kurds.


The Kurds think their allies stab them in the back, no friends but the mountains etc. The treacherous rebellious mountain people is a trope the world round from the Hmong to West Virginia.


I think you mean truism.

Lol. Take a look at this plains dweller. You probably don't even try and kill the cousin of the dude that slept with your great grandmother. Go do some corvee labour for your master you statist shill.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:23 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Olerand wrote:Most Middle Eastern ethnicities don't have opinions of them. Most of the Middle East, and its inhabitants, don't live near Kurdistan.
Additionally, almost all of the Middle East is Arab, and will obviously side with the Arabs (Muslims) over the Kurds if necessary.

Finally, though the stereotype is truly present, I'm not entirely sure how this can be held over the Kurds.
Why should they be loyal?

Because the only reason they have the land they do now is because those allies helped them get it. They were given it for helping other groups kill off the Armenians and Assyrians.

Who helped them? The Turks incited them to kill the Armenians and Assyrians, and they did.

Why is that a measure deserving loyalty? Did the Turks not want the genocide? Did they do this for the Kurds's sake?
It was a win-win.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:25 pm

Olerand wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because the only reason they have the land they do now is because those allies helped them get it. They were given it for helping other groups kill off the Armenians and Assyrians.

Who helped them? The Turks incited them to kill the Armenians and Assyrians, and they did.

Why is that a measure deserving loyalty? Did the Turks not want the genocide? Did they do this for the Kurds's sake?
It was a win-win.

Because the Turks gave them the land for killing them.
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:26 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Olerand wrote:Who helped them? The Turks incited them to kill the Armenians and Assyrians, and they did.

Why is that a measure deserving loyalty? Did the Turks not want the genocide? Did they do this for the Kurds's sake?
It was a win-win.

Because the Turks gave them the land for killing them.

But it wasn't a measure for the Kurds's sake.

The Turks wanted the Armenians/Assyrians dead. The Kurds wanted their land. They helped each other out.
The Turks did the Kurds no favors. Nothing here deserves loyalty. The Turks needed something from the Kurds and they delivered. It's a done deal.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:28 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I think you mean truism.

Lol. Take a look at this plains dweller. You probably don't even try and kill the cousin of the dude that slept with your great grandmother. Go do some corvee labour for your master you statist shill.


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Postby The Southern Confederacy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:28 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Southern Confederacy wrote:What would a legal invasion look like?

It'd probably look more successful. When everyone calls it illegal, it's a sign you've lost.

The Nazi invasion of Poland was legal and superior to America's invasion of Iraq.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:29 pm

Kurdish national identity is a very new thing. Back during the ottoman times they were, well, illiterate mountain men of a warrior tribe.
But to hold that against them now is akin to me calling members of the orthodox church a load of drunkards, and to therefore decide UMN to be sloshed off his mind on Ruskova.
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Postby The Southern Confederacy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:29 pm

Olerand wrote:
The Southern Confederacy wrote:What would a legal invasion look like?

One authorized by the Security Council, as stipulated in the United Nations Charter that America (but that was a different America of course) set up.

That's a lot of bs, once you get to the point of invading another country, international law goes out the window.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:30 pm

Olerand wrote:
The Southern Confederacy wrote:What would a legal invasion look like?

One authorized by the Security Council, as stipulated in the United Nations Charter that America (but that was a different America of course) set up.


>Authorized by the Security Council

Excuse me but it was clear we were restoring the police. If we really broke any rules, the robust international law system could call us to account :^)

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Postby Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:30 pm

The Southern Confederacy wrote:
Olerand wrote:One authorized by the Security Council, as stipulated in the United Nations Charter that America (but that was a different America of course) set up.

That's a lot of bs, once you get to the point of invading another country, international law goes out the window.

No, it doesn't. You can invade, but it's still not legal.

America obviously invaded Iraq. Illegally.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:31 pm

The Southern Confederacy wrote:
Olerand wrote:One authorized by the Security Council, as stipulated in the United Nations Charter that America (but that was a different America of course) set up.

That's a lot of bs, once you get to the point of invading another country, international law goes out the window.
So the real problem with the invasion of Iraq was the americans not bringing their own chemical weapons to the playing field
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