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by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:15 pm

by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:16 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote: It's pretty much a stereotype that you shouldn't trust Kurds because they'll stab you in the back. The current president of Iraqi Kurdistan was an enemy of Saddam, then an ally, then an enemy again.
What? Like Saddam and the United State? Almost as if that's how politics... works?

by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:17 pm
Olerand wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.
You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.
Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

by Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:18 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:What? Like Saddam and the United State? Almost as if that's how politics... works?
He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.
Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

by The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:19 pm
Olerand wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.
You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.
Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

by The Southern Confederacy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:19 pm
Olerand wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.
You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.
Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:19 pm
Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.

by Neo Balka » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:20 pm
Olerand wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Yeah, Americans are loved in Iraq.
You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.
Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).

by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:20 pm
The Southern Confederacy wrote:Olerand wrote:You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.
Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).
What would a legal invasion look like?

by Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:20 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Olerand wrote:You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.
Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).
The Shi'a are more pro-Iran and Iraq is likely to fully switch over to them in the short term. Which after almost fifteen years of constant American commitment is just great.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

by The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:21 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.
Oh yeah, Barzani is a cunt. But you're acting like this is exceptional to the Kurds.Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.
The Kurds think their allies stab them in the back, no friends but the mountains etc. The treacherous rebellious mountain people is a trope the world round from the Hmong to West Virginia.

by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:22 pm
Olerand wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:He allied with Saddam so he could murder other Kurds and take over the Kurdish government.
Kurds have a reputation for stabbing their allies in the back, ask the Turks too. It's not like every Middle Eastern ethnicity can be wrong about them.
Most Middle Eastern ethnicities don't have opinions of them. Most of the Middle East, and its inhabitants, don't live near Kurdistan.
Additionally, almost all of the Middle East is Arab, and will obviously side with the Arabs (Muslims) over the Kurds if necessary.
Finally, though the stereotype is truly present, I'm not entirely sure how this can be held over the Kurds.
Why should they be loyal?

by Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:22 pm
The Southern Confederacy wrote:Olerand wrote:You should use Afghanistan as an example. Much, much stronger to this point.
Actually, Iraq isn't even relevant. The Shia and the Kurds, the only groups that have benefited from America's illegal invasion, are pretty pro-American (for their own interests of course).
What would a legal invasion look like?
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:23 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:Oh yeah, Barzani is a cunt. But you're acting like this is exceptional to the Kurds.
The Kurds think their allies stab them in the back, no friends but the mountains etc. The treacherous rebellious mountain people is a trope the world round from the Hmong to West Virginia.
I think you mean truism.

by Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:23 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Olerand wrote:Most Middle Eastern ethnicities don't have opinions of them. Most of the Middle East, and its inhabitants, don't live near Kurdistan.
Additionally, almost all of the Middle East is Arab, and will obviously side with the Arabs (Muslims) over the Kurds if necessary.
Finally, though the stereotype is truly present, I'm not entirely sure how this can be held over the Kurds.
Why should they be loyal?
Because the only reason they have the land they do now is because those allies helped them get it. They were given it for helping other groups kill off the Armenians and Assyrians.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:25 pm
Olerand wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because the only reason they have the land they do now is because those allies helped them get it. They were given it for helping other groups kill off the Armenians and Assyrians.
Who helped them? The Turks incited them to kill the Armenians and Assyrians, and they did.
Why is that a measure deserving loyalty? Did the Turks not want the genocide? Did they do this for the Kurds's sake?
It was a win-win.

by Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:26 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Olerand wrote:Who helped them? The Turks incited them to kill the Armenians and Assyrians, and they did.
Why is that a measure deserving loyalty? Did the Turks not want the genocide? Did they do this for the Kurds's sake?
It was a win-win.
Because the Turks gave them the land for killing them.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

by The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:28 pm

by The Southern Confederacy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:28 pm

by Kubra » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:29 pm

by The Southern Confederacy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:29 pm

by The East Marches II » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:30 pm

by Olerand » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:30 pm
The Southern Confederacy wrote:Olerand wrote:One authorized by the Security Council, as stipulated in the United Nations Charter that America (but that was a different America of course) set up.
That's a lot of bs, once you get to the point of invading another country, international law goes out the window.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

by Kubra » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:31 pm
So the real problem with the invasion of Iraq was the americans not bringing their own chemical weapons to the playing fieldThe Southern Confederacy wrote:Olerand wrote:One authorized by the Security Council, as stipulated in the United Nations Charter that America (but that was a different America of course) set up.
That's a lot of bs, once you get to the point of invading another country, international law goes out the window.
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