Socialism: What do we do now?

[Isentria]

It is like renting a car and claiming it is now yours because you use it, but do try that and I guess you'll end up arrested, as you should.
You can't claim something is yours because you use it, when it already belongs to someone else.

the notion that it's someone else's is a spook and spooks are to be ignored

"Everything I don't like is a spook, and spooks are bad" - the post

[Catochristoferson]

the notion that it's someone else's is a spook and spooks are to be ignored

"Everything I don't like is a spook, and spooks are bad" - the post

Looks like someone has never read Stirner.

Do you even know what a spook is?

[Victoriala II]

the notion that it's someone else's is a spook and spooks are to be ignored

"Everything I don't like is a spook, and spooks are bad" - the post

jokes on you it is

[Tokora]

Hunter-gatherers, once exposed to modern society, tend to prefer it to hunter-gathering. Only when they are well-fed and seek self-actualization do they read Aeon thinkpieces and write hot takes about the benefits of scraping by in the wilderness

I still think it'd be more like: "I risk my life everyday just trying to find food and shelter for my family and you kill each other over shiny rocks and green paper?! YOU KIDS ARE SPOILED!"

The problem isn't that life is easier, making life more bearable is always a noble cause. The problem is that we only want more than what we'd ever need and are perfectly content with exploiting our neighbors to do so.

[Josepf Stalin]

"Everything I don't like is a spook, and spooks are bad" - the post

jokes on you it is

"Spook" is a meaningless term anarchists,trotskyists, and liberals use.

[Republic of the Cristo]

"Everything I don't like is a spook, and spooks are bad" - the post

Looks like someone has never read Stirner.

Do you even know what a spook is?

The Egoist?

[Victoriala II]

jokes on you it is

"Spook" is a meaningless term anarchists,trotskyists, and liberals use.

HOT TAKE DETECTED

[Josepf Stalin]

"Spook" is a meaningless term anarchists,trotskyists, and liberals use.

HOT TAKE DETECTED

Memes do not prove anything.

[Altaiire]

jokes on you it is

"Spook" is a meaningless term anarchists,trotskyists, and liberals use.

A spook is an ideal that is held unquestioningly sacred, regardless of whether it is reflected in reality or not. I.E., we as humans interacting with one another do not necessarily represent the idealized representation of "Humanity" as some brotherly force working together for the prosperity of all. Stirner gives as examples of spooks: truth; rightenousness; the divine right of kings; the common good; the fatherland.

Frankly I don't know why Trotskyists or Liberals would be using the term "spook" outside of pure irony, considering their ideologies are most definitely "spooked," but what do I know. It should mainly be the purview of egoist (/egoist-anarchist, though definitely not all anarchist) thought. Nonetheless, "spook" does mean something, even if it tends to be used in a memetically corrupted form.

[War Gears]

"Everything I don't like is a spook, and spooks are bad" - the post

Looks like someone has never read Stirner.

Do you even know what a spook is?

"Looks like someone has never read this super obscure thinker who wrote this obfuscated work that people use as a meme to attack things they don't like." would be more accurate.

[Victoriala II]

HOT TAKE DETECTED

Memes do not prove anything.

as much as you, frankly enough.

[Josepf Stalin]

Looks like someone has never read Stirner.

Do you even know what a spook is?

"Looks like someone has never read this super obscure thinker who wrote this obfuscated work that people use as a meme to attack things they don't like." would be more accurate.

Thank you.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

"Looks like someone has never read this super obscure thinker who wrote this obfuscated work that people use as a meme to attack things they don't like." would be more accurate.

Stirner's work is far from obscure among anarchists. His work has been hotly debated in various anarchist tendencies (even though Stirner himself wrote rather negatively about anarchism).

[Obamaistan]

I prefer socialism in a democratic state

[Victoriala II]

"Looks like someone has never read this super obscure thinker who wrote this obfuscated work that people use as a meme to attack things they don't like." would be more accurate.

Stirner's work is far from obscure among anarchists. His work has been hotly debated in various anarchist tendencies (even though Stirner himself wrote rather negatively about anarchism).

emphasis on "among anarchists". anarchists, as it stands today, still pales in comparison to the wider socialist movement, though.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Hunter-gatherers, once exposed to modern society, tend to prefer it to hunter-gathering. Only when they are well-fed and seek self-actualization do they read Aeon thinkpieces and write hot takes about the benefits of scraping by in the wilderness

I still think it'd be more like: "I risk my life everyday just trying to find food and shelter for my family and you kill each other over shiny rocks and green paper?! YOU KIDS ARE SPOILED!"

The problem isn't that life is easier, making life more bearable is always a noble cause. The problem is that we only want more than what we'd ever need and are perfectly content with exploiting our neighbors to do so.

Our neighbors are so exploited that they live longer, better, and fuller lives than ever before in history, so rich that they can advocate for a system that destroys such things

[Democratic Communist Federation]

emphasis on "among anarchists". anarchists, as it stands today, still pales in comparison to the wider socialist movement, though.

Well, I am a Luxemburgist, not an anarchist. However, I suspect that many anarchists would strongly challenge your assertion. For instance, Occupy Wall Street, which gave birth to the larger Occupy movement about a decade ago, was launched by the British Columbian anarchist magazine, Adbusters. The antifa movement, which played a role in protecting some demonstrators during the alt-right rally a few days ago, is rooted in both anarchism and libertarian Marxism (especially autonomism).

Edit: I like your artwork.

[Imperializt Russia]

I prefer socialism in a democratic state

Many forms of socialism are democratic.

Perhaps you're conflating our modern "liberal democracy" with "democracy" as an overall concept.
Or, conflating "social democrats" with socialists.

[Victoriala II]

emphasis on "among anarchists". anarchists, as it stands today, still pales in comparison to the wider socialist movement, though.

Well, I am a Luxemburgist, not an anarchist. However, I suspect that many anarchists would strongly challenge your assertion. For instance, Occupy Wall Street, which gave birth to the larger Occupy movement about a decade ago, was launched by the British Columbian anarchist magazine, Adbusters. The antifa movement, which played a role in protecting some demonstrators during the alt-right rally a few days ago, is rooted in both anarchism and libertarian Marxism (especially autonomism).

Edit: I like your artwork.

I feel it's still 2edgy4everyone else, tbh

Yeah, western anarchists get considerable amount of attention, but I doubt anyone in my circles that aren't "in the know" would've heard of C4SS, the IWW, the ALL, ELZN, Ocalan, Le Cleyre, Goldman, and the like. That's the point i'm making.

[Catochristoferson]

I prefer socialism in a democratic state

Many forms of socialism are democratic.

Perhaps you're conflating our modern "liberal democracy" with "democracy" as an overall concept.
Or, conflating "social democrats" with socialists.

It's sad how liberals/socdems are trying to co-opt the word "socialism" to mean "when the government does stuff" rather than social ownership of the means of production.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Yeah, western anarchists get considerable amount of attention, but I doubt anyone in my circles that aren't "in the know" would've heard of C4SS, the IWW, the ALL, ELZN, Ocalan, Le Cleyre, Goldman, and the like. That's the point i'm making.

The Wobblies (IWW) have never been anarchist per se. They started out as a pro-De Leonist movement then went independent.

It is like anything else. The majority of my students have never heard of Luxemburgists or even Trotskyists. Almost none of them would be able to distinguish between any Marxist (or anarchist) tendencies.

[Imperializt Russia]

Many forms of socialism are democratic.

Perhaps you're conflating our modern "liberal democracy" with "democracy" as an overall concept.
Or, conflating "social democrats" with socialists.

It's sad how liberals/socdems are trying to co-opt the word "socialism" to mean "when the government does stuff" rather than social ownership of the means of production.

If properly co-ordinated, it could be a nice marketing exercise to ease a socialist transition into our not-post-McCarthyist world.

[Tokora]

If properly co-ordinated, it could be a nice marketing exercise to ease a socialist transition into our not-post-McCarthyist world.

Define not-post-McCarthyist?

[Imperializt Russia]

If properly co-ordinated, it could be a nice marketing exercise to ease a socialist transition into our not-post-McCarthyist world.

Define not-post-McCarthyist?

No, because it's a joke. Since the Red Scare is, officially, over, we are in a "post-McCarthyist" world. But given the toxic nature of modern political discourse and the attempts of the current administration (trailing its support base by a year or two) to paint straight equivalences between actual Nazis and "leftists" of all stripes, we clearly haven't moved beyond McCarthyism.

[Tokora]

Define not-post-McCarthyist?

No, because it's a joke. Since the Red Scare is, officially, over, we are in a "post-McCarthyist" world. But given the toxic nature of modern political discourse and the attempts of the current administration (trailing its support base by a year or two) to paint straight equivalences between actual Nazis and "leftists" of all stripes, we clearly haven't moved beyond McCarthyism.

Sorry, I just didn't understand what you meant when you said it.