by Tokora » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:20 am
by Yes Im Biop » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:26 am
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:27 am
Yes Im Biop wrote:I've always held that the best way to start is flooding the streets with the blood of the upper class. After that we can figure out where to go from there
by Yes Im Biop » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:29 am
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Vymar » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:31 am
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by Tokora » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:35 am
Yes Im Biop wrote:I've always held that the best way to start is flooding the streets with the blood of the upper class. After that we can figure out where to go from there
by Sovaal » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:36 am
Yes Im Biop wrote:I've always held that the best way to start is flooding the streets with the blood of the upper class. After that we can figure out where to go from there
by Yes Im Biop » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:36 am
Tokora wrote:Yes Im Biop wrote:I've always held that the best way to start is flooding the streets with the blood of the upper class. After that we can figure out where to go from there
Tried that, Stalin happened (and then Mao for good measure). It might've worked in Vietnam but I think that time Vietnam was lucky that there wasn't a Stalin to replace Ho Chi Minh. The Cuban revolution ended with just exiling the bourgeois and in Yugoslavia Tito united the different ethnic groups to drive out the fascists. While seeing Wall Street up in flames would be cathartic, I don't think it would help our case.
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by The Portland Territory » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:39 am
by The New Sea Territory » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:04 am
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by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:21 am
by Tokora » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:05 am
The New Sea Territory wrote:Snip
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think there should be a more equal distribution of income, based on labor rather than ownership; however, I don't think the workers should actually control the economy; technocrats should do that.
by Greater Cesnica » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:08 am
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.George Orwell wrote:“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
by Gloriana Americana » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:19 am
Tokora wrote:Just a fair warning, if you think the equal distribution of goods is the greatest evil imaginable, you might want to stop reading and find another thread.
Socialism, in my opinion, is the best possible way to increase living standards to the greatest possible number of people, and in a few cases (Cuba, Vietnam, and Yugoslavia; feel free to disagree) it actually worked. However, between the Red scare and Stalin's power grab, the idea of a worker's paradise has been gasping for air until finally dying in the late 80's with American blockades against Vietnam and Cuba and the attempted Serbian conquest of Yugoslavia. At the end of it all, the bourgeois stands tall with his boot planted down on the working class. So here's the question, where do we go from here?
The issue is that while communes are still complete possible, years of red scare propaganda turned the public perception of Socialist liberation into a Stalinist nightmare. Short of forming an independent country on moon no one is ever going to accept a communist state of any meaningful size in the near future. But we can't just watch the world go to hell either.
Like I stated earlier I think our next move should be to pick up the pieces and form small scale communes in areas with low population. Any other ideas on cleaning up after Socialism's death?
by Great Minarchistan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:53 am
Tokora wrote:Socialism, in my opinion, is the best possible way to increase living standards to the greatest possible number of people
Tokora wrote:and in a few cases (Cuba, Vietnam, and Yugoslavia; feel free to disagree) it actually worked.
Tokora wrote:Any other ideas on cleaning up after Socialism's death?
by Oldenfranck » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:33 am
by True Alimeria » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:47 am
Great Minarchistan wrote:Yugoslavia had what we can call a grand finale: a massive hyperinflation, above 1,000,000%. This sure did improve the life quality of the citizens.
by The Snazzylands » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:41 pm
Gloriana Americana wrote:Maybe take a step back and realize your ideology is incredibly flawed and naive and that it's goals are unrealistic and utopian fantasies and that is the primary reason nobody likes socialism or communism because the ideologies require a world where people act like robots and run on a series of logic instead of the basic emotions and instincts people actually act on?
Gloriana Americana wrote:Look, the only way socialism or communism could ever truly effectively work the way it's intended to is if it was enforced on people,but you can't enforce a way of life on someone in a system in which the state is nonexistent and state or not it's still tyrannical.
Gloriana Americana wrote:Your ideology is, simply put, stupid. It works better for machines than people, because it ignores the fact that greed and selfishness are part of human nature. You can't kill human nature, and so if you really think socialism or communism can work with human beings then you're clearly unfamiliar with how people work.
Gloriana Americana wrote:People can be complete scum, there will always be scummy people, and for that reason alone socialism will never work long-term without tyranny and corruption and communism will never be achieved on a global scale without falling into total anarchy.
Gloriana Americana wrote:It'd be nice if they could work, but they don't. Most people understand this and that is why most people have aversion for them, not because some guy in the 50s said they were evil. McCarthyism isn't as popular as you might think it is these days, people just realized the ideologies suck hard.
by Impaled Nazarene » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm
Gloriana Americana wrote:
Maybe take a step back and realize your ideology is incredibly flawed and naive and that it's goals are unrealistic
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
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by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm
by Impaled Nazarene » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:49 pm
Kiaculta wrote:Oh, Kar, you silly sack of shit.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Bickering ist krieg.
Infected Mushroom wrote:isn't this a bit extreme?
Finland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
Genivaria wrote:"WHY!? Why do this!? Thousands of planets and trillions of innocent lives gone! For what!?"
"It seemed like fun at the time."
by Liberalter » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:55 pm
Vymar wrote:I think we can all agree that if socialism is going to be a serious political movement in western nations or the US, it has to improve its image. The socialist idea of "Kill the upper class" leads to bad press, and in the future, people turning away from the ideology. The way is to move up within the democratic process and attempt to implement changes that way. Not to mention, revolution is getting excessively hard without military coup, and that's not going to happen as long as money politics goes on.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:01 pm
Liberalter wrote:Vymar wrote:I think we can all agree that if socialism is going to be a serious political movement in western nations or the US, it has to improve its image. The socialist idea of "Kill the upper class" leads to bad press, and in the future, people turning away from the ideology. The way is to move up within the democratic process and attempt to implement changes that way. Not to mention, revolution is getting excessively hard without military coup, and that's not going to happen as long as money politics goes on.
Literally no socialist wants to kill capitalists.
"But the USSR"
The USSR is state capitalist.
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