The controversy over Poland’s judicial overhaul

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

I have just had a suicidal panic attack because of this post. I was going to explain why I could not quote a post that compared the EU to the Soviet Union, and it was merely to do with trying to keep the thread civil.

I dont understand how this is the case, why would you having a gigantic panic just because of ancient computers or something

is these the items of concern?

[The East Marches II]

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

They don't have the guts to bring them into line. We don't have to order anything. It's a failure of will.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

They don't have the guts to bring them into line. We don't have to order anything. It's a failure of will.

The holy roman empire will be reactivated and will shut down the EU!

[Bakery Hill]

I have just had a suicidal panic attack because of this post. I was going to explain why I could not quote a post that compared the EU to the Soviet Union, and it was merely to do with trying to keep the thread civil.

Excuse the unsolicited advice, but if this sort of interaction makes you feel this way, I'd suggest disengaging from NSG for a time, at least until your mental health is in a better state. The nature of online discussion is that it sometimes get heated over the smallest of issues. And when it boils down to it, although online community can be beneficial, debating politics with strangers on a forum isn't worth your life. If you aren't already seeking help I urge you to do so.

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[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

Well it looks like the paid shills from Brussels who are sitting in the EU offices posting all of this fake news have not been paid so they are not posting anything now, we have won by forefeit!

[Xanthal]

Nobody seems to talk about the importance of process anymore, but process is the most important part of a functioning democracy; without process it's tyranny of the mob. Unfortunately in my view, a lot of people seem to be okay with that so long as they get to be part of the mob.

[Tinhampton]

They don't have the guts to bring them into line. We don't have to order anything. It's a failure of will.

The holy roman empire will be reactivated and will shut down the EU!
(SNIP IMAGE)

Sure, I'm a Eurosceptic and Brexit supporter, but replacing one undemocratic and monolithic union with another undemocratic and monolithic union...? You're basically advocating we vote out President Salt and replace him with President Sodium Chloride.

[Major-Tom]

This is the result of European liberal democracy.

I don't see what's liberal or democratic about the current cabinet and about the parliamentary majority of Poland, to be honest.

It's a giant middle finger to European liberal democracy. Sorta strange, without liberal democracy, Poland may as well be another authoritarian state like their "friends", the Russians...

Fucking Poland, right?

[Minoa]

Okay, it looks like we have gone terribly off course due to the posts by user Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen, so I should recall the original discussion point:

Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-poland ... KKBN1A60T5

What are your thoughts about this?

I have a feeling that it is going to be extremely hard to climb out of increased government control over courts and prosecutors, controls over state media, restrictions on public gatherings, and restrictions on the activity of non-governmental organisations.

The current government remains broadly popular due to increased social spending, record low unemployment and robust economic growth, but no one should tell me I should believe in and what I should not.

In short, I do not agree with interfering with the impartiality and independence of the judicial system. What do you think?

[Risottia]

Not implying that, but now that you bring about the issue, Italy and Italian citizens are net contributors to the EU budget while Poland and its citizens are net receivers.
So yeah, maybe Poland needs to learn something. Like not whining when it's required to keep its word.

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

You're the ones losing. You can leave, if you have such a reason.

Just don't come crying when the trade agreements disappear.

We founded this Union. You asked to enter and now you're begging for special snowflake status. Don't like having to respect treatises, leave them.

[Aellex]

We founded this Union. You asked to enter and now you're begging for special snowflake status. Don't like having to respect treatises, leave them.

We founded this Union too. We never wanted it to become that way, however, and it should never has.
Maybe it's time to recognize that mistakes were made and rollback all this shit.

[The Feylands]

Not implying that, but now that you bring about the issue, Italy and Italian citizens are net contributors to the EU budget while Poland and its citizens are net receivers.
So yeah, maybe Poland needs to learn something. Like not whining when it's required to keep its word.

While I don't agree with that last part - this is probably an important reason why the cursed EU is so popular among otherwise so patriotic eastern Europeans. If you go to Slovakia for example, there are buildings and streets everywhere with signs like "Sponsored by the EU"....

That, and protection from the Russian bear of course. NATO is the answer to protection from Russia. The EU will just make it worse by trying protecting you from an influx of fake refugees bringing stuff like rape and murder to your countries. We should help each other to dismantle the darn thing.

The EU may not be perfect but at least they stand for human rights with the Council of Europe: the former Nazi regime did not.

The European Court of Human Rights is a complete joke. When Russia refused to register Scientology as a religion, they fined them. I'm not a fan of Putin but he got that absolutely right! They are completely okay with the EU banning the sale of Swedish snuff which saves millions of lives because of their corrupt business interests, but they'll be sure to protect countless of terrorists because it's not like they'll cause any harm to the peoples of the EU. Ironically, sooner or later they're gonna fine Sweden for denying a Christian midwife the right to not participate in abortions (she's working hard to get it there), in comparison to my country the EU is more conservative. I'm pro-life but I think any people would instinctively get ticked off by foreigners deciding their internal affairs against their own wishes.

On top of that, the reason for it's existence, European Convention on Human Rights, is very weird in itself. It's very strange to "add" human rights like that, an idea originally thought of as reflecting innate and by nature inalienable rights (now whenever those exist... that's totally another topic).

One of the reasons the EU is doomed to fail apart from the arrogance of the people at the top is the fact that it tries to unite people who are to different to belong to the same political entity. The Western European countries like Germany, Italy, France etc. who were formed largely by Christian Democracy or similar movements have a completely different political climate and tradition than we Nords and the people to the east, not to mention our culture as well. Perhaps a Nordic Union would work, and Intermarium for Poland and it's neighbours (we'd probably be natural partners in that case), but not Europe. There is nothing that makes Swedish culture closer to French or Italian culture than American or Russian ones.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I have just had a suicidal panic attack because of this post. I was going to explain why I could not quote a post that compared the EU to the Soviet Union, and it was merely to do with trying to keep the thread civil.

Is everything ok?

[The Feylands]

Did the Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen just stop existing....?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I don't know what to think about this really.

[Petrolheadia]

You're the ones losing. You can leave, if you have such a reason.

Just don't come crying when the trade agreements disappear.

We founded this Union. You asked to enter and now you're begging for special snowflake status. Don't like having to respect treatises, leave them.

We have no reason to exit. We're getting money, other countries are getting workforce from us, most countries share the view that the federation is a stupid idea.

You and your federation are the ones with a reason to leave.

[Minoa]

We have veto, but European Commission remained cautious ahead of a meeting on the matter on Wednesday: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-poland ... KKBN1A914Q

According to Reuters, opposition groups welcomed Duda's move but urged him also to veto the third bill, which would allow the justice minister to dismiss the heads of lower courts. The president signalled that he would approve this bill.