The controversy over Poland’s judicial overhaul

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

Hi.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

Prawo i Sprawiedliwość is doing exactly what it says on the tin, law and justice! It's doing an outstanding, excellent job in developing Poland well above Western Europe and protecting the nation!
This judicial overhaul will stop the Brussels regime in the EU from taking over and annexing Poland and corrupting it's courts!

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

My thoughts are that we're planning to GTFO. In September most likely we'll be moving to beautiful Umeå as my partner will probably start her Ph. D. on that university.

I'm done with right-wing conservative c**ts ruining everyone's future, the last two years since PiSS got into power, it has been a two-year assault on the civil liberties of everyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded catholic nationalist worldview. I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt considering what they're doing in the economy department, but right now they just seem to be out consolidating their own power and appeasing the lowest common denominator of Polish society; football hooligans and narodowcy.

The best thing that could happen to Poland right now is German tanks crossing the Oder/Neisse and not stopping until they reach Medyka.

This sounds like fake news completely, how is Poland being taken over by a bunch of football hooligans and ultranationalists?
Law and Justice are a liberal democracy party by definition, not this kind of neo-fascist anti-Europe NATO-hater nuclear armed rogue terrorist state party.

[Minoa]

The Law and Justice Party is hardly liberal when they increased government control over courts and prosecutors, increased controls over state media, restricted public gatherings, and restricted on the activity of non-governmental organisations. And such rights isn't exclusively an EU principle, but post-war international law.

[Risottia]

"meddling in national affairs" - the last refugee of the authoritarians facing criticism for their authoritarianism; nothing like petty nationalism to bolster the lowest common denominator.

Better than Internationalist bullshit to bolster the bankers that control the EU and its bastardized machinations in brussels.

Curiously enough the internationalist bullshit and the EU bankers are quite welcome in Poland whenever the monthly check from Bruxelles fills the Polish coffers and the pockets of the Polish electors.

[Risottia]

Let's hope that Poland leaves the EU and brings the rest of the V4 along, since they're so keen on being part of the Union when it means getting money and access to the job market, but not when it's about common standards, common policies, and contributing to solve common problems.

>implying Italy has any lesson to give on this domain

Not implying that, but now that you bring about the issue, Italy and Italian citizens are net contributors to the EU budget while Poland and its citizens are net receivers.
So yeah, maybe Poland needs to learn something. Like not whining when it's required to keep its word.

But yeah, I would agree with your hope that Poland leaves and add the one that we follow (or precede) them so that you and the Germans can enjoy together your new H.R.E. that is already as dysfunctional as the first.
There should have been no common standards, nor policies imposed by a central authority to begin. The E.U wasn't envisioned to be this degenerate super-state it has become but a mere brotherhood of nations. If it can't be that, why should it be at all?

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

[New Rogernomics]

Political appointments of judges, what could go wrong...

*cough* Venezuela.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

>implying Italy has any lesson to give on this domain

Not implying that, but now that you bring about the issue, Italy and Italian citizens are net contributors to the EU budget while Poland and its citizens are net receivers.
So yeah, maybe Poland needs to learn something. Like not whining when it's required to keep its word.

But yeah, I would agree with your hope that Poland leaves and add the one that we follow (or precede) them so that you and the Germans can enjoy together your new H.R.E. that is already as dysfunctional as the first.
There should have been no common standards, nor policies imposed by a central authority to begin. The E.U wasn't envisioned to be this degenerate super-state it has become but a mere brotherhood of nations. If it can't be that, why should it be at all?

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

You just sound incredibly condescending and offensive like the rest of the Brussels bureaucrats, I hope the Intermarium and Holy Roman Empire plus the Habsburgs and the House of Bourbon deletes all of your wasteful offices and gigantic allowances and 1 million figure salaries. LOL

[Risottia]

Not implying that, but now that you bring about the issue, Italy and Italian citizens are net contributors to the EU budget while Poland and its citizens are net receivers.
So yeah, maybe Poland needs to learn something. Like not whining when it's required to keep its word.

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

You just sound incredibly condescending and offensive like the rest of the Brussels bureaucrats, I hope the Intermarium and Holy Roman Empire plus the Habsburgs and the House of Bourbon deletes all of your wasteful offices and gigantic allowances and 1 million figure salaries. LOL

Oh look, an ad hominem and some veiled threats seasoned with delusional political fantasies and blatant lies.

Truly, the mark of the competent debater who's got something interesting to say.

[Aellex]

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

And yet the United States of Europe was something no one wanted of and the E.U was never created with that idea in mind. Rather, it was created as an Union of the States of Europe : independent nations working together to achieve their own individual goals.
A couple of wanker's utopia has nothing to do with what actually was created at the time tho it is related to what the E.U has degenerated into.
France never wanted of an "United State of Europe" despite being a founding member (and neither did Italy). If anything, De Gaulle did his best to kill in the buds all the attempts at co-opting the European cooperation into becoming an European Supra-State.
There is no unification to be had because there is nothing to unify to begin with and there never, ever was.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

You just sound incredibly condescending and offensive like the rest of the Brussels bureaucrats, I hope the Intermarium and Holy Roman Empire plus the Habsburgs and the House of Bourbon deletes all of your wasteful offices and gigantic allowances and 1 million figure salaries. LOL

Oh look, an ad hominem and some veiled threats seasoned with delusional political fantasies and blatant lies.

Truly, the mark of the competent debater who's got something interesting to say.

What about that genocide symbol as your user icon?
100 million people died because of those beliefs and this is why PiS/Law and Justice (pun) PiSSes on radical communists by getting rid of your ugly red army statues and shutting down the fascist EU controlled courts.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

Oh look, an ad hominem and some veiled threats seasoned with delusional political fantasies and blatant lies.

Truly, the mark of the competent debater who's got something interesting to say.

What about that genocide symbol as your user icon?
100 million people died because of those beliefs and this is why PiS/Law and Justice (pun) PiSSes on radical communists by getting rid of your ugly red army statues and shutting down the fascist EU controlled courts.

I used that pun because one of the European Union bureaucrat employees on their daily shift of promoting the EU online thinks that's funny.

[Minoa]

The EU may not be perfect but at least they stand for human rights with the Council of Europe: the former Nazi regime did not.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

The EU may not be perfect but at least they stand for human rights, in which the former Nazi regime did not.

The EU is essentially the soviet union, it has de-activated human rights.

[Minoa]

Where did they neglect on human rights? Right now they are mad at Venezuela over Maduro’s Constituent Assembly, which many critics understandably fear will lead to a dictatorship.

[Aellex]

The EU may not be perfect but at least they stand for human rights with the Council of Europe: the former Nazi regime did not.

Saying that the E.U isn't perfect is quite the litote and whatever they stand for isn't worth it if it goes against the countries' national interests.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

Where did they neglect on human rights? Right now they are mad at Venezuela over Maduro’s Constituent Assembly, which many critics understandably fear will lead to a dictatorship.

Well the EU will eventually collapse but the corrupt Brussels bureaucrats will then integrate into the national government's within the ex-member states and turn them into Venezuela style dictatorships.

[Central European Commonwealth]

Where did they neglect on human rights? Right now they are mad at Venezuela over Maduro’s Constituent Assembly, which many critics understandably fear will lead to a dictatorship.

They are neglecting human rights. Look at for example LGBT-rights in the country where I live. If the EU would've been consistent in enforcing human rights applicable to the majority of the EU population, we should have same-sex marriage and an array of laws stopping religious bigots from exercising what they see as their "human rights" - making life for other people difficult based on their bull crap, for for example, transgender people.

Anyway, few more months and we'll be in Umeå. Won't have to deal with those idiots in charge anymore and they won't have to deal with collecting taxes on our combined three-times the average salary. They seem to forget that many of the people for whom they make this country unpleasant, also have well-paying jobs, qualifications and a large degree of international mobility.

[Farnhamia]

My thoughts are that we're planning to GTFO. In September most likely we'll be moving to beautiful Umeå as my partner will probably start her Ph. D. on that university.

I'm done with right-wing conservative c**ts ruining everyone's future, the last two years since PiSS got into power, it has been a two-year assault on the civil liberties of everyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded catholic nationalist worldview. I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt considering what they're doing in the economy department, but right now they just seem to be out consolidating their own power and appeasing the lowest common denominator of Polish society; football hooligans and narodowcy.

The best thing that could happen to Poland right now is German tanks crossing the Oder/Neisse and not stopping until they reach Medyka.

*** Warned for political nicknaming. ***

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

My thoughts are that we're planning to GTFO. In September most likely we'll be moving to beautiful Umeå as my partner will probably start her Ph. D. on that university.

I'm done with right-wing conservative c**ts ruining everyone's future, the last two years since PiSS got into power, it has been a two-year assault on the civil liberties of everyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded catholic nationalist worldview. I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt considering what they're doing in the economy department, but right now they just seem to be out consolidating their own power and appeasing the lowest common denominator of Polish society; football hooligans and narodowcy.

The best thing that could happen to Poland right now is German tanks crossing the Oder/Neisse and not stopping until they reach Medyka.

*** Warned for political nicknaming. ***

Thanks moderators, are you guys like the nobility of the website or something

[Minoa]

Where did they neglect on human rights? Right now they are mad at Venezuela over Maduro’s Constituent Assembly, which many critics understandably fear will lead to a dictatorship.

They are neglecting human rights. Look at for example LGBT-rights in the country where I live. If the EU would've been consistent in enforcing human rights applicable to the majority of the EU population, we should have same-sex marriage and an array of laws stopping religious bigots from exercising what they see as their "human rights" - making life for other people difficult based on their bull crap, for for example, transgender people.

Anyway, few more months and we'll be in Umeå. Won't have to deal with those idiots in charge anymore and they won't have to deal with collecting taxes on our combined three-times the average salary. They seem to forget that many of the people for whom they make this country unpleasant, also have well-paying jobs, qualifications and a large degree of international mobility.

Sorry, I was addressing the Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen but I didn't want to quote him directly.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

if you don't want to use the quote software then you need to live inside a yurt with a punch card to post instead of a computer

[Petrolheadia]

>implying Italy has any lesson to give on this domain

Not implying that, but now that you bring about the issue, Italy and Italian citizens are net contributors to the EU budget while Poland and its citizens are net receivers.
So yeah, maybe Poland needs to learn something. Like not whining when it's required to keep its word.

But yeah, I would agree with your hope that Poland leaves and add the one that we follow (or precede) them so that you and the Germans can enjoy together your new H.R.E. that is already as dysfunctional as the first.
There should have been no common standards, nor policies imposed by a central authority to begin. The E.U wasn't envisioned to be this degenerate super-state it has become but a mere brotherhood of nations. If it can't be that, why should it be at all?

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

You're the ones losing. You can leave, if you have such a reason.

Just don't come crying when the trade agreements disappear.

[Minoa]

I have just had a suicidal panic attack because of this post. I was going to explain why I could not quote a post that compared the EU to the Soviet Union, and it was merely to do with trying to keep the thread civil.

[Peasants Republic of Dithmarschen]

Not implying that, but now that you bring about the issue, Italy and Italian citizens are net contributors to the EU budget while Poland and its citizens are net receivers.
So yeah, maybe Poland needs to learn something. Like not whining when it's required to keep its word.

You fail at history rather hard. The EU is meant to be exactly what Winnie Churchill, among the others, called the United States of Europe. Those who don't want that, or actually entered just to leech money and block the unification process because America ordered them to do so can take the same route of Britain and avoid being hit by the door when they leave.

You're the ones losing. You can leave, if you have such a reason.

Just don't come crying when the trade agreements disappear.

Instead of just having all those dumb agreements with the EU, we have the peasant's obviously deciding through direct democracy and in the councils with all sorts of elected officials and also important individuals like local bank managers, militia officers and all sorts of individuals. We have even got defeated German and Danish troops who have surrendered to the peasant's self-determination in what is eventually going to become the Free Confederation of Schleswig-Holstein serving in the parliament as ordinary aldermen and other officials just like ordinary citizens so we can represent everyone in the political spectrum, from the militiamen determined to also liberate Denmark to the German and Euro federalists that want to work out some kind of treaty and/or agreement.