The controversy over Poland’s judicial overhaul

[Minoa]

Source: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-poland ... KKBN1A60T5

What are your thoughts about this?

I have a feeling that it is going to be extremely hard to climb out of increased government control over courts and prosecutors, controls over state media, restrictions on public gatherings, and restrictions on the activity of non-governmental organisations.

The current government remains broadly popular due to increased social spending, record low unemployment and robust economic growth, but no one should tell me I should believe in and what I should not.

[Democratic Mongol Popular State]

This is the result of European liberal democracy.

[Petrolheadia]

This is one of the things that makes me unable to fully support PiS, even if they are doing a great job in the economy department.

They're competent assholes,,but ultimately, assholes.

This is the result of European liberal democracy.

More like an opposite of it.

[Alizeria]

I don't think I can support this. I'm always up for raising a middle finger to the EU, and I applaud a lot of what the Polish government have done... but this is a step in the wrong direction.

[Central European Commonwealth]

My thoughts are that we're planning to GTFO. In September most likely we'll be moving to beautiful Umeå as my partner will probably start her Ph. D. on that university.

I'm done with right-wing conservative c**ts ruining everyone's future, the last two years since PiSS got into power, it has been a two-year assault on the civil liberties of everyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded catholic nationalist worldview. I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt considering what they're doing in the economy department, but right now they just seem to be out consolidating their own power and appeasing the lowest common denominator of Polish society; football hooligans and narodowcy.

The best thing that could happen to Poland right now is German tanks crossing the Oder/Neisse and not stopping until they reach Medyka.

[Pasong Tirad]

This is the result of European liberal democracy.

What part of authoritarian rule do you think is the result of liberal democracy?

And, as always, authoritarians decry "foreign meddling" or "Western/EU intervention" in the world's attempt to stop another country from falling victim to absolute rule.

[Ethel mermania]

This is the result of European liberal democracy.

What part of authoritarian rule do you think is the result of liberal democracy?

And, as always, authoritarians decry "foreign meddling" or "Western/EU intervention" in the world's attempt to stop another country from falling victim to absolute rule.

I dunno, these folks were elected by the polish citizens. They are doing what they said they would do if elected. They are still broadly supported.

Seems like they ar3 right about the critism from the outside.

[Aellex]

Good. They're doing what the Polish people elected them to do and they're right when they're denouncing foreign meddling in their national affairs.

[Risottia]

This is the result of European liberal democracy.

I don't see what's liberal or democratic about the current cabinet and about the parliamentary majority of Poland, to be honest.

[Dooom35796821595]

Good. They're doing what the Polish people elected them to do and they're right when they're denouncing foreign meddling in their national affairs.

They're in the EU, foreign meddling is part of the deal. Unless they wanted to leave...

[Risottia]

Good. They're doing what the Polish people elected them to do and they're right when they're denouncing foreign meddling in their national affairs.

Let's hope that Poland leaves the EU and brings the rest of the V4 along, since they're so keen on being part of the Union when it means getting money and access to the job market, but not when it's about common standards, common policies, and contributing to solve common problems.

[Neo Balka]

My thoughts are that we're planning to GTFO. In September most likely we'll be moving to beautiful Umeå as my partner will probably start her Ph. D. on that university.

I'm done with right-wing conservative c**ts ruining everyone's future, the last two years since PiSS got into power, it has been a two-year assault on the civil liberties of everyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded catholic nationalist worldview. I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt considering what they're doing in the economy department, but right now they just seem to be out consolidating their own power and appeasing the lowest common denominator of Polish society; football hooligans and narodowcy.

The best thing that could happen to Poland right now is German tanks crossing the Oder/Neisse and not stopping until they reach Medyka.

Yes, because Poland deserves nothing more then german occupation for the 3rd or 4th time in its existence.
Besides, remember 1939? When the germans decided to roll across the border?

[The Feylands]

It's ridiculous - especially when countries like my own complain about it. In Sweden we don't even have a constitutional court - well, we don't have a constitution even, the basic laws are changed frequently with little public discussion as it only requires a simple majority on two occasions. The Polish people shouldn't be forced to do anything by the EU who is hopefully on it's way out. They have no business meddling into any county's internal affairs.

[Pasong Tirad]

My thoughts are that we're planning to GTFO. In September most likely we'll be moving to beautiful Umeå as my partner will probably start her Ph. D. on that university.

I'm done with right-wing conservative c**ts ruining everyone's future, the last two years since PiSS got into power, it has been a two-year assault on the civil liberties of everyone who doesn't fit their narrow-minded catholic nationalist worldview. I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt considering what they're doing in the economy department, but right now they just seem to be out consolidating their own power and appeasing the lowest common denominator of Polish society; football hooligans and narodowcy.

The best thing that could happen to Poland right now is German tanks crossing the Oder/Neisse and not stopping until they reach Medyka.

Sure, start a war. That's the best way to solve everybody's problems.

[Great Nepal]

Good. They're doing what the Polish people elected them to do and they're right when they're denouncing foreign meddling in their national affairs.

"meddling in national affairs" - the last refugee of the authoritarians facing criticism for their authoritarianism; nothing like petty nationalism to bolster the lowest common denominator.

[Neo Balka]

Good. They're doing what the Polish people elected them to do and they're right when they're denouncing foreign meddling in their national affairs.

"meddling in national affairs" - the last refugee of the authoritarians facing criticism for their authoritarianism; nothing like petty nationalism to bolster the lowest common denominator.

Better than Internationalist bullshit to bolster the bankers that control the EU and its bastardized machinations in brussels.

[Pasong Tirad]

"meddling in national affairs" - the last refugee of the authoritarians facing criticism for their authoritarianism; nothing like petty nationalism to bolster the lowest common denominator.

Better than Internationalist bullshit to bolster the bankers that control the EU and its bastardized machinations in brussels.

idk man having an independent judiciary doesn't sound like an internationalist thing.

[Ethel mermania]

Better than Internationalist bullshit to bolster the bankers that control the EU and its bastardized machinations in brussels.

idk man having an independent judiciary doesn't sound like an internationalist thing.

If your nations preference is a judiciary controlled by the executive or legislature it is.

[Aellex]

Let's hope that Poland leaves the EU and brings the rest of the V4 along, since they're so keen on being part of the Union when it means getting money and access to the job market, but not when it's about common standards, common policies, and contributing to solve common problems.

>implying Italy has any lesson to give on this domain
But yeah, I would agree with your hope that Poland leaves and add the one that we follow (or precede) them so that you and the Germans can enjoy together your new H.R.E. that is already as dysfunctional as the first.
There should have been no common standards, nor policies imposed by a central authority to begin. The E.U wasn't envisioned to be this degenerate super-state it has become but a mere brotherhood of nations. If it can't be that, why should it be at all?

[Minoa]

idk man having an independent judiciary doesn't sound like an internationalist thing.

Independence of the judiciary seems to be is undoubtedly very important, and I don't think it is exclusively an EU thing.

[Aellex]

The best thing that could happen to Poland right now is German tanks crossing the Oder/Neisse and not stopping until they reach Medyka.

A polishman bitching about how German should invade his motherland, I think I'll have seen everything.
Guess there really was no point dying for Danzig, after all...

[Neo Balka]

Let's hope that Poland leaves the EU and brings the rest of the V4 along, since they're so keen on being part of the Union when it means getting money and access to the job market, but not when it's about common standards, common policies, and contributing to solve common problems.

>implying Italy has any lesson to give on this domain
But yeah, I would agree with your hope that Poland leaves and add the one that we follow (or precede) them so that you and the Germans can enjoy together your new H.R.E. that is already as dysfunctional as the first.
There should have been no common standards, nor policies imposed by a central authority to begin. The E.U wasn't envisioned to be this degenerate super-state it has become but a mere brotherhood of nations. If it can't be that, why should it be at all?

Because Germany and its co benefactors won't ever stop until they dominate europe one way or a god damn nother.

[Central European Commonwealth]

Good. They're doing what the Polish people elected them to do and they're right when they're denouncing foreign meddling in their national affairs.

We got duped into this crap by 18.5% of the electorate. Of all the people who bothered to vote only 37% voted for the idiots running the country. Stop thinking this is the government Poland or the majority of Polish people wanted. 60% of Poles hate this government, and among the educated people who pay a lot of taxes, somewhere between 80 and 90% dislike the current government. The majority of Polish people want a free, liberal, democratic European Poland. Not some autocratic bullshit what goes on in Russia.

Yes, because Poland deserves nothing more then german occupation for the 3rd or 4th time in its existence.
Besides, remember 1939? When the germans decided to roll across the border?

Of course I know what happened in 1939. Back then, the German people would've benefited greatly from a joint Polish-British-French invasion of their country. in 2017 I think it's quite the other way around. The majority of the Polish people do not want Russian-style autocracy.

[Neo Balka]

Good. They're doing what the Polish people elected them to do and they're right when they're denouncing foreign meddling in their national affairs.

We got duped into this crap by 18.5% of the electorate. Of all the people who bothered to vote only 37% voted for the idiots running the country. Stop thinking this is the government Poland or the majority of Polish people wanted. 60% of Poles hate this government, and among the educated people who pay a lot of taxes, somewhere between 80 and 90% dislike the current government. The majority of Polish people want a free, liberal, democratic European Poland. Not some autocratic bullshit what goes on in Russia.

Yes, because Poland deserves nothing more then german occupation for the 3rd or 4th time in its existence.
Besides, remember 1939? When the germans decided to roll across the border?

Of course I know what happened in 1939. Back then, the German people would've benefited greatly from a joint Polish-British-French invasion of their country. in 2017 I think it's quite the other way around. The majority of the Polish people do not want Russian-style autocracy.

Funny, seems you forgot quite easily.

[Aellex]

We got duped into this crap by 18.5% of the electorate. Of all the people who bothered to vote only 37% voted for the idiots running the country. Stop thinking this is the government Poland or the majority of Polish people wanted. 60% of Poles hate this government, and among the educated people who pay a lot of taxes, somewhere between 80 and 90% dislike the current government. The majority of Polish people want a free, liberal, democratic European Poland. Not some autocratic bullshit what goes on in Russia.

You have a multi-party system. 37.5% of votes is a big freaking lot. And have you actual sources for that claim of your of 60% of all the Poles and 80%/90% of the """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""educated people""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" hating this government? Because the only popularity poll I could find was one of your president which was apparently on the rise with 54% of positive opinions and 17% of negative ones so it just sounds like you're deluding yourself about the actual support your countrymen have for your ideas. :^)