Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[The Candy Lane]

how much needed to recommit? simple majority?

[Rolling squid]

no wait the official (and last)vote is next.

To an extent. The bill already passed, the last vote is just the last attempt to take some of the worst things out of it, IIRC.

[Caninope]

I'm sad. It passed, and the reconciliation failed.

[Serrland]

no wait the official (and last)vote is next.

The big one was the first vote. The next one will be about the reconciliation bill and the additions (or subtractions) it brings to the first bill, if I understand it correctly

[United Dependencies]

I'll state again. Somebody should call in and mention NSG.

[Ashmoria]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

IIRC, there is an exception for the poorest (Up to 133% of federal poverty line IIRC) and subsidies to provide help.

The reason for it, as it was explained, is that since insurance companies will no longer be able to drop or deny coverage, they didn't want people waiting until they actually got sick to buy insurance. That would drive costs up instead of down. So in making everyone buy it, costs drop.

What? That doesn't work. I mean, that's the same kind of logic that says health insurance companies will pay out if you get sick, instead of trying to weasel out of their obligations. Just because they can't do anymore apparently that is irrelevant. The government isn't making them lower prices, I guess, so they won't. In fact, now that people -can't opt out- without fines, what's stopping them putting it up? That would maximise profits, in a captive market.

if the insurance company doesnt pay 85% of premiums out for medical payments they have to rebate the excess.

[San Guillermo]

how much needed to recommit? simple majority?

I would assume so. 216 minimum, 217 so that way every "yea" Dem is not called the deciding vote.

[Slytheronia]

I don't Understand why everyone thinks that free healthcare to the poor is a bad thing. My family is Very poor, and my mother doesn't have health insurance, and she will probably never be able to afford it. This could help a lot of people.

[The Candy Lane]

I'll state again. Somebody should call in and mention NSG.

wats the number

[Serrland]

Shit. Obama is going to tell us "when we can or cannot sleep."

[Panzerjaeger]

The BBC has called it and says it passed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8579322.stm

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm sad. It passed, and the reconciliation failed.

That wasn't the reconciliation, thats up next.

[Caninope]

Shit. Obama is going to tell us "when we can or cannot sleep."

That was me obviously

[Farnhamia]

I'm sad. It passed, and the reconciliation failed.

The meds for that are probably covered under your health insurance.

[Rolling squid]

I'll state again. Somebody should call in and mention NSG.

wats the number

202-385-3885, to support.

[United Dependencies]

I'll state again. Somebody should call in and mention NSG.

wats the number

it is on the screen.

(202)585-3885support
(202)585-3886oppose
(202)585-3887undecided

[Iuxtim]

I'll state again. Somebody should call in and mention NSG.

wats the number

(202) 585-3885 - Support
(202) 585-3886 - Oppose
(202) 585-3887 - Undecided

*BAH!

[The Candy Lane]

I'm sad. It passed, and the reconciliation failed.

The meds for that are probably covered under your health insurance.

Win.

[Caninope]

I'm sad. It passed, and the reconciliation failed.

That wasn't the reconciliation, thats up next.

Sorry, that's the procedural vote. My bad!

[United Dependencies]

I'm sad. It passed, and the reconciliation failed.

The meds for that are probably covered under your health insurance.

no the official vote on reconciliation is next.

[Greed and Death]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

IIRC, there is an exception for the poorest (Up to 133% of federal poverty line IIRC) and subsidies to provide help.

The reason for it, as it was explained, is that since insurance companies will no longer be able to drop or deny coverage, they didn't want people waiting until they actually got sick to buy insurance. That would drive costs up instead of down. So in making everyone buy it, costs drop.

What? That doesn't work. I mean, that's the same kind of logic that says health insurance companies will pay out if you get sick, instead of trying to weasel out of their obligations. Just because they can't do anymore apparently that is irrelevant. The government isn't making them lower prices, I guess, so they won't. In fact, now that people -can't opt out- without fines, what's stopping them putting it up? That would maximise profits, in a captive market.

if the insurance company doesnt pay 85% of premiums out for medical payments they have to rebate the excess.

In come the accounts and lawyers where they write off CEO bonuses as medical payments.

[Caninope]

I'm sad. It passed, and the reconciliation failed.

The meds for that are probably covered under your health insurance.

Win.

I just got pwned.

[Panzerjaeger]

How is this lady a nurse? This is depressing.

[The Candy Lane]

I'll state again. Somebody should call in and mention NSG.

wats the number

(202) 585-3885 - Support
(202) 585-3886 - Oppose
(202) 585-3887 - Undecided

*BAH!

maybe i can fake an american accent... just gotta avoid the 'eh-s'

[United Dependencies]

This woman caller is a bitch. "If you get out and work..." yea right.