Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[Avenio]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

I heard 38 threatened. I have no doubt this will go to the Supreme court.

Threatening isn't necessarily the same thing as going through with it, though. It all depends on how the public reacts to the passage.

[Farnhamia]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

IIRC, there is an exception for the poorest (Up to 133% of federal poverty line IIRC) and subsidies to provide help.

The reason for it, as it was explained, is that since insurance companies will no longer be able to drop or deny coverage, they didn't want people waiting until they actually got sick to buy insurance. That would drive costs up instead of down. So in making everyone buy it, costs drop.

There's a sliding scale of subsidies for people making less that 400% of the poverty level.

[United Dependencies]

somebody should call in!

[Canada Provinces]

Well Health Care passed..... lets see what the affects are.

[Rolling squid]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

No. If you fall below a certin minimum income, you aren't fined, and you may be covered by medicare.

Actually medicaid.

Right, same idea. Government insurance.

[Greed and Death]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

I heard 38 threatened. I have no doubt this will go to the Supreme court.

really 38? Lol bye bye Healthcare Bill, Im actually goign to leave to visit the USA tomorrow...fun...

In theory they have enough to force an amendment.
Thought a state initiated amendment has not happened yet.

[Takaram]

Looks like this BS will get defeated. Callers sounds like morons too.

[Rolling squid]

the hell is this guy talking about?

[United Dependencies]

Oh noes our rights to be denied care are being infringed!

[The Candy Lane]

congrats americans, u no longer have to die in alleys. lol
so wats this motion thingy? im canadian dk this yank stuff lol

Yeah now we get to die in hospitals waiting for water that isn't there! So much better!

least its warm

[Post-Unity Terra]

Looks like this BS will get defeated. Callers sounds like morons too.

The Reps only want this to keep me out of bed. They know I've got a nice new pillow and they're keeping me up on purpose.

[Avenio]

the hell is this guy talking about?

I don't know, someone was going on about unions and kickbacks and rights vs priviledge, I have no idea where he's coming from.

[NERVUN]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

I heard 38 threatened. I have no doubt this will go to the Supreme court.

really 38? Lol bye bye Healthcare Bill, Im actually goign to leave to visit the USA tomorrow...fun...

Uh... No. Given that federal law overrides state and local.

The chances of said 38 actually managing to call a convention and pass an amendment is slim to none.

[Takaram]

And it's defeated now.

[United Dependencies]

the hell is this guy talking about?

I don't know, someone was going on about unions and kickbacks and rights vs priviledge, I have no idea where he's coming from.

Oh noes our rights to be denied care are being infringed!

[Caninope]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

Undisclosed source, eh? Seems legit.

Actually, Paul Ryan made that claim earlier today on CSPAN.

[San Guillermo]

The vote for the motion to recommit failed, with at the moment 10 Dems voting yea.

EDIT: According to CNN (and close listeners), someone yelled out "Baby killer" while Rep. Stupak gave his speech.

[Greed and Death]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

No. If you fall below a certin minimum income, you aren't fined, and you may be covered by medicare.

Actually medicaid.

Right, same idea. Government insurance.

Medicaid is a much worse program, and state administered.
Also several of the Red states are preparing to opt out of Medicaid.

[Topid]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

No. There are many very healthy young people, like myself, who don't want to buy health insurance because of the very low odds that I will ever need it.

It has made sense so far because I can put half of what I would spend on insurance in a rainy day fund and I have more than I will ever need unless some crazy unlikely health event were to occur (and I've never been a fan of the lottery ). Now, after this bill, I might as well buy insurance so that I don't have to pay the fine.

It makes more of a profit for insurance companies, because I will pay much more into them than I will ask out, so they can use the large profit of me they make to pay for losses on some of the older customers.

It's the only major annoyance I've had with the bill, I call it the screw the young, save the old plan.

[Rolling squid]

amendment fails. Happy day.

[Jordaxia]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

IIRC, there is an exception for the poorest (Up to 133% of federal poverty line IIRC) and subsidies to provide help.

The reason for it, as it was explained, is that since insurance companies will no longer be able to drop or deny coverage, they didn't want people waiting until they actually got sick to buy insurance. That would drive costs up instead of down. So in making everyone buy it, costs drop.

What? That doesn't work. I mean, that's the same kind of logic that says health insurance companies will pay out if you get sick, instead of trying to weasel out of their obligations. Just because they can't do anymore apparently that is irrelevant. The government isn't making them lower prices, I guess, so they won't. In fact, now that people -can't opt out- without fines, what's stopping them putting it up? That would maximise profits, in a captive market.

[United Dependencies]

So the reconciliation bill does not pass?

[Takaram]

So the reconciliation bill does not pass?

Yes

[United Dependencies]

no wait the official (and last)vote is next.

[Greed and Death]

So the reconciliation bill does not pass?

no the amendment to reconciliation bill, to bring back Stupak into the reconciliation.