Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[Avenio]

Cool, Stupak is calling the GOP anti-choicers on their bullshit.

If only the Republicans would let him speak. Honestly, there are six-year-olds better behaved than them.

[United Dependencies]

and thus C-span experiences the night of their highest ratings ever

[Ashmoria]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

the poor will be subsidized to purchase insurance.

[Serrland]

Obey needs to be more firm on the rabble-rousers in the assembly...

[Greed and Death]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

Yes 750 dollars on those without insurance.
If your income is below a certain point your exempt.

[Farnhamia]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

I f you can afford to buy health insurance and don't buy it, yes. Relatively small fines.

[Cannot think of a name]

They need some Tuco up in this bitch-

"You gonna vote, vote. Don't talk."

[Hahklallah]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

[Greed and Death]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

I f you can afford to buy health insurance and don't buy it, yes. Relatively small fines.

750 dollars is by no means small.

[Jordaxia]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

[Takaram]

Another 15 minute vote

[United Dependencies]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

I heard 38 threatened. I have no doubt this will go to the Supreme court.

[SaintB]

219... so it passed?

Yes, and sadly not a single republican could be nonpartisan.

No it's because most are principled and don't believe in it. The Bi-Partisan vote was against it and the partisan vote was for it.

When an entire party votes the same way there is no way in hell that you can prove tome they aren't just going along party lines like a bunch of cowards, liars, cheaters, and power mongers. Especially after one of their number then goes on to accuse the party who's members voted separately of being partisan.

[Post-Unity Terra]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

Undisclosed source, eh? Seems legit.

[Serrland]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

I heard a similar thing, but exploring the constitutionality. Nothing about a suit...

[United Dependencies]

somebody call in somebody call in!!!!!!! SOMEBODY CALL IN!

[Rolling squid]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

No. If you fall below a certin minimum income, you aren't fined, and you may be covered by medicare.

[Greed and Death]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

400% of poverty level is on medicaid.
Those who do not owe money on the federal income tax are exempt.

[NERVUN]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

IIRC, there is an exception for the poorest (Up to 133% of federal poverty line IIRC) and subsidies to provide help.

The reason for it, as it was explained, is that since insurance companies will no longer be able to drop or deny coverage, they didn't want people waiting until they actually got sick to buy insurance. That would drive costs up instead of down. So in making everyone buy it, costs drop.

[Farnhamia]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

I f you can afford to buy health insurance and don't buy it, yes. Relatively small fines.

750 dollars is by no means small.

But think of all the money you're saving by not paying for insurance, and all the happy times you'll have in the emergency room driving my premiums up. *nod*

[Big Jim P]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

Well, since the Government can magically pull money out of our asses, they figure we aught to be able to as well.

[Greed and Death]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

No. If you fall below a certin minimum income, you aren't fined, and you may be covered by medicare.

Actually medicaid.

[Hahklallah]

I heard from an undiclosed source that 37 states are going to sue because the Healthcare Bill passed

I heard 38 threatened. I have no doubt this will go to the Supreme court.

really 38? Lol bye bye Healthcare Bill, Im actually goign to leave to visit the USA tomorrow...fun...

[San Guillermo]

Okay, so there going to the recorded vote now on the motion to recommit. Fifteen minutes on the clock.

[Ashmoria]

So... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act is that the bill that just passed? It seems to indicate so. It also says "Impose a penalty on individuals who do not buy health insurance" is part of its provisions. Can somebody clear that up for me? That doesn't sound progressive, it sounds like the sort of thing someone with an irrational hatred of the poor would do.

It means fine you if you don't have health care.

Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is, if you're too poor -to afford- healthcare, they fine you? How does that work?

if you are too poor they will buy it for you. if you still cant be bothered, you might get a fine. the fine goes on your income tax but the IRS is barred from prosecuting you if you dont pay it.