Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[Wilgrove]

So does anyone else think that the Dems are probably going to lose?

Well they claim to have the votes.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one.

There are people who are never sick or injured?

No but there are those of us never sick or injured seriously

Immortals? But... but... there can only be one!

[Post-Unity Terra]

4 minutes of Cantor? No thank you.

It's called a toilet break.

[Farnhamia]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

Health insurance, really. It's odd that the argument is being phrased the way you put, that not everyone wants or needs health care. Your mother giving you an aspirin when you have a fever is health care, the amount deducted from your father's pay for health insurance. Let's look at it this way: You're out of the house, living on your own, and you choose not to buy health insurance. You're young, you're healthy, you can spend the money on other things. One day, through no fault of your own, you eat a bad bit of beef and get really sick. What do you do? You go to the emergency room, I imagine, and they slam you into a bed and shoot you up with all kinds of medicine and because you don't have insurance, you're presented with a hefty bill. You can't pay it, of course, so the hospital eats it. Well, not really, they pass the cost on to others by raising the rates they charge people. That raises my insurance premiums, because the insurance company needs to cover their costs, too.

So you just cost me money. How is that fair?

[The Romulan Republic]

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

On the contrary, Obama tried to compromise. Tried and tried. Past what many of his supporters thought was acceptable. The House bill was a compromise with the Right. The Senate bill more so.

Are all Republicans partisan fanatics? No. Are all Democrats compromisers? No. But the refusal to compromise has been predominantly on one side, and it isn't the Democrats'.

[Rolling squid]

So does anyone else think that the Dems are probably going to lose?

No. the rebups are giving better sounding speeches, but most of their points don't actually stand up to any sort of factual checks.

[American Capitalist]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one.

There are people who are never sick or injured?

There are people for a certain time will never get injured. Mostly those from 20 to 30 years of age. Plus is it really the governments job to force some one to do something? Eating right and exercising is a great way to keep healthy is it a good idea for the government to force every body to do that? It's also a great idea to go to college should the government do that?

I hate this idea more than the idea of a public option the idea that government would force you to do something just because it's good for you. It really makes no sense to me if they want to do something stupid let them but don't force them to do something just because it's good for them.

[Ashmoria]

So does anyone else think that the Dems are probably going to lose?

it wouldnt be being voted on if they didnt already have the votes they need to win

[United Dependencies]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

and this literally makes me weep for America.

Not just America, but the entire fucking species.

I could use a weepy smiley right about now. Will you hold me?

[Our L Lawliet]

So does anyone else think that the Dems are probably going to lose?

No. the rebups are giving better sounding speeches, but most of their points don't actually stand up to any sort of factual checks.

Let's hope the dems can see through them.

Cantor needs to quit raping my ears.

[Post-Unity Terra]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?

Yeah but I don't need it really need it is what i'm saying I probably shouldn't have put that last part though it was a mistake. The point still remains that not every body wants or needs health care.

everybody needs insurance; not everyone can afford insurance.

No not every one.

There are people who are never sick or injured?

There are people for a certain time will never get injured. Mostly those from 20 to 30 years of age. Plus is it really the governments job to force some one to do something? Eating right and exercising is a great way to keep healthy is it a good idea for the government to force every body to do that? It's also a great idea to go to college should the government do that?

I hate this idea more than the idea of a public option the idea that government would force you to do something just because it's good for you. It really makes no sense to me if they want to do something stupid let them but don't force them to do something just because it's good for them.

It's not just because it;'s good for you. If somehow (although I do find it hard to imagine) a young person with no insurance needs a hospital visit, the cost is passed on to others.

[Lydeana]

It's a nature trail to hell!......in 3d! Should be today's Congress Theme song given how long this has taken.

[United Dependencies]

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

On the contrary, Obama tried to compromise. Tried and tried. Past what many of his supporters thought was acceptable. The House bill was a compromise with the Right. The Senate bill more so.

Are all Republicans partisan fanatics? No. Are all Democrats compromisers? No. But the refusal to compromise has been predominantly on one side, and it isn't the Democrats'.

I used to not like Obama much, but his attempts to compromise make me feel as if his presidency will be a tragedy.

[Rolling squid]

I hate this idea more than the idea of a public option the idea that government would force you to do something just because it's good for you. It really makes no sense to me if they want to do something stupid let them but don't force them to do something just because it's good for them.

I sort of agree with you, but the problem is that people without insurance usually end up costing the public thousands more than they should, as they end up in the emergency room, and often default on their costs.

Also, it's not a public option, it's a mandate. Which is worse, but the republicans wouldn't let a public option in.

[Yenke-Bin]

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One can often get a health insurance plan for $50 a month (larger deductible though), which is about the same as a cell plan.

There is the key. I don't have a large sum of money in my bank at anytime, so a large deductible is not feasible. Plus, a $50/month plan doesn't sound like it would equate to very good coverage.


Also, wanna know how much Eric Cantor's anti-HC reform speech costs? $130,750. That is how much the insurance lobbies paid him last year. Oh, he also got 70 from pharmaceuticals, and 37k from health services.

Want to know how much your reps are being paid for their views? www.opensecrets.org

[Lydeana]

Anyone get the feeling neither side cares about our opinion? I'd go so far as to say Communist China cares more....

[Big Jim P]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

and this literally makes me weep for America.

Not just America, but the entire fucking species.

I could use a weepy smiley right about now. Will you hold me?

First Wilgrove, and now you. Shit, have I become NSGs mommy all of a sudden?

[Chazaka]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

and this literally makes me weep for America.

Not just America, but the entire fucking species.

I could use a weepy smiley right about now. Will you hold me?

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[United Dependencies]

Anyone get the feeling neither side cares about our opinion? I'd go so far as to say Communist China cares more....

I think this issue is the death of my trust in elected officials.

[Post-Unity Terra]

Anyone get the feeling neither side cares about our opinion? I'd go so far as to say Communist China cares more....

They certainly don't give a shit about my opinion, just because I'm 'not a citizen'. Fascists. Just because I live on another continent.

[Rolling squid]

and now they're trying to add the executive order as part of the bill.

Nevermind, that went nowhere. Is it just me, or do some members of the house not get how things work?

[United Dependencies]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

and this literally makes me weep for America.

Not just America, but the entire fucking species.

I could use a weepy smiley right about now. Will you hold me?

First Wilgrove, and now you. Shit, have I become NSGs mommy all of a sudden?

Just look at me. A christian seeking comfort from a satanist.

[Big Jim P]

Mourn not the passage or not passage of this bill. Mourn for the split which this health debate has revealed. Mourn for the fact that the two sides are so locked in their ideology that we can no longer talk to each other and instead talk past each other. Mourn for the fact that people would insult old men with parkinsons or that politicians have to resort to deals just to get healthcare past. Most of all mourn for the spirit of democracy and how we no longer work for any goals but our own. Mourn; for compromise, a crucial part of American history and necessary to our future, now surely must be dead.

Mourn for American individualism and independence as millions more get stuck to the government tit.

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

No one can see past their ideology anymore. No one bothers to think for themselves anymore.

and this literally makes me weep for America.

Not just America, but the entire fucking species.

I could use a weepy smiley right about now. Will you hold me?

First Wilgrove, and now you. Shit, have I become NSGs mommy all of a sudden?

Just look at me. A christian seeking comfort from a satanist.

Bipartisanship works!

[Farnhamia]

I'm not refrencing the fact that the Dems left out the Gop. But the fact that no side conservative or liberal, dem or rebup, politician or no can see past their ideology any more.

On the contrary, Obama tried to compromise. Tried and tried. Past what many of his supporters thought was acceptable. The House bill was a compromise with the Right. The Senate bill more so.

Are all Republicans partisan fanatics? No. Are all Democrats compromisers? No. But the refusal to compromise has been predominantly on one side, and it isn't the Democrats'.

Especially since the GOP's main points were incorporated into the bill and they still held their breath until they turned blue.

Come on, people who herd dolphins into a cove and slaughter them have universal health care, in case they hurt themselves during the slaughter.

[Lydeana]

I don't care about what side it is, neither gives a damn about what we think, since they're are so much more intelligent than we are, and understand what we need, far better than we possibly could. Much like a small child with a magnifying glass, and an anthill.