Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[EvilDarkMagicians]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Shows how much is lost to admin....

[Natapoc]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

much of their "charity" includes building themselves bigger, more luxurious churches in the US.

edit: also this feeding the children obsession is kinda silly. Will you feed a person till they turn 18 then just let them die of hunger? Why does age matter at all?

[Imsogone]

It's estimated from many sources that this Health Reform will actually save some quite large amount of money.

It's also estimated from many sources that this Health Reform will actually cost some a quite a bit larger amount. It all depends on your source.

[Melkor Unchained]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

much of their "charity" includes building themselves bigger, more luxurious churches in the US.

Yeah that's true, I would guess a lot of that money is included on fairly suspicious parameters.

[Belkaland]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

75% of most charities are scams

[Chumblywumbly]

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

The figure is a World Bank estimate, if that helps.

[Voltronica]

97 Billion spent on internet porn (not including other forms) or foreign aid at 103 Billion from all nations

Aaaa...screw it give them something to screw and they'll be mo' bettah mo longer.

The problem is this might actually work.

[Fyorgynn]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Wonder if they included the cost of feeding the children that are being fed by charities in either figure?

[Barringtonia]

I didn't mean for my graphic to derail the thread, the estimated spending figures I've seen for healthcare is some US$950B over 10 years and I think it's just interesting to put that in some perspective,

[Imsogone]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Wonder if they included the cost of feeding the children that are being fed by charities in either figure?

It says "feed(ing) every child in the world... That would sort of indicate that it's every child and not every impoverished, hungry child from a third world country.

But I still want to know how we're going to pay for this new Health Care Reform thing when they may have to cut off Social Security.

[Fyorgynn]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Wonder if they included the cost of feeding the children that are being fed by charities in either figure?

It says "feed(ing) every child in the world... That would sort of indicate that it's every child and not every impoverished, hungry child from a third world country.

But I still want to know how we're going to pay for this new Health Care Reform thing when they may have to cut off Social Security.

They won't cut it off, they will rename it, revamp it, lower your benefits and pat you on the head and tell you how lucky you are.

[New Kereptica]

But I still want to know how we're going to pay for this new Health Care Reform thing when they may have to cut off Social Security.

The same way we pay for everything.

[Barringtonia]

I wonder how far off the Iraq war estimate is, if the actual years squares are indicative of the rate of spending I'd venture the estimate is way over blown but I don't know.

Well, looking at 2007, that's US$133B, whereas the spending for the next 10 years on healthcare comes in at US$950B so just under US$100B per year.

In total, US tax revenues for 2007 was $2,674,007,818,000 from a population of 305,562,616 working out to $8,528.22 on average: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_ta ... e_by_state

That's US$2.5T to manage an economy of some US$14T - about 20% spent on Admin - if it was a company, not too shabby really, especially for a company of the size and resulting social issues of the US.

Actually, some 60% of that revenue goes on welfare apparently, it used to go on wars, pay people to kill or do nothing, one of the two,

Numbers are amazing really but they start to fly by one's head, a nice graphic relativity chart may not be fully accurate but it at least gives people some idea of proportion,

[Chumblywumbly]

Numbers are amazing really but they start to fly by one's head, a nice graphic relativity chart may not be fully accurate but it at least gives people some idea of proportion,

For those interested, sources for each bit of the chart are here.

[Fyorgynn]

I didn't mean for my graphic to derail the thread, the estimated spending figures I've seen for healthcare is some US$950B over 10 years and I think it's just interesting to put that in some perspective,

I've seen estimates as high as $3.75 trillion. Latest estimates under a trillion. I found it interesting that the CBO created it's numbers without benefit of any actual case history to track expectations. It's a shot in the dark basically because the costs include major pilot programs that have never been tried before so there is nothing to actually refer to for cost guidance. Much of the number is estimates only.

They are going to collect revenues toward it beginning this year, but will not begin paying most benefits until 2014. Revenue gets a head start.

So am I the only one that sees issues with money in the gov't hands and a plan to pay out benefits later? Isn't that what we did with Social Security, wait isn't it broke?

[North Suran]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Which then raises the interesting question of why these same people who give money to foreigners halfway across the globe are so opposed to helping out their own citizens?

[Barringtonia]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Which then raises the interesting question of why these same people who give money to foreigners halfway across the globe are so opposed to helping out their own citizens?

...because they could choose to apparently,

[Fyorgynn]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Which then raises the interesting question of why these same people who give money to foreigners halfway across the globe are so opposed to helping out their own citizens?

Maybe they are doing both.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Wonder if they included the cost of feeding the children that are being fed by charities in either figure?

It says "feed(ing) every child in the world... That would sort of indicate that it's every child and not every impoverished, hungry child from a third world country.

But I still want to know how we're going to pay for this new Health Care Reform thing when they may have to cut off Social Security.

I am still trying to figure out why the $54 billion for "Feed every child in the world for a year" is separated from the $465 billion for "Feed and educate every child on Earth for 5 years".

[Melkor Unchained]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Which then raises the interesting question of why these same people who give money to foreigners halfway across the globe are so opposed to helping out their own citizens?

Well since it doesn't denote specifically, I would imagine some of that amount is foreign charity and some is domestic. At my workplace we have a program to donate to United Way out of our paychecks, for example, but that probably isn't money that goes to starving Ethiopian children. I would guess the lion's share of that amount goes to domestic charities, but I'm too lazy to look into it.

[Imsogone]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Which then raises the interesting question of why these same people who give money to foreigners halfway across the globe are so opposed to helping out their own citizens?

Well since it doesn't denote specifically, I would imagine some of that amount is foreign charity and some is domestic. At my workplace we have a program to donate to United Way out of our paychecks, for example, but that probably isn't money that goes to starving Ethiopian children. I would guess the lion's share of that amount goes to domestic charities, but I'm too lazy to look into it.

I would hazard a guess that the lion's share of that amount goes to "administrative costs".

[Tubbsalot]

The amount of horrified scaremongering in this thread is hilarious and also painfully saddening.

[Fyorgynn]

I'm not sure but this graphic always gives me pause for thought,

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... llar-gram/

Interesting. The amount of money Americans donate to charity every year is roughly five times the cost of "Feed(ing) every child in the world for a year." Hm.

Which then raises the interesting question of why these same people who give money to foreigners halfway across the globe are so opposed to helping out their own citizens?

Well since it doesn't denote specifically, I would imagine some of that amount is foreign charity and some is domestic. At my workplace we have a program to donate to United Way out of our paychecks, for example, but that probably isn't money that goes to starving Ethiopian children. I would guess the lion's share of that amount goes to domestic charities, but I'm too lazy to look into it.

I would hazard a guess that the lion's share of that amount goes to "administrative costs".

In the early 70s only 30 cents of every dollar they raised got close to their intended target. UW is a money grub for admin jobs in my opinion. I won't donate to them at all even though I believe they have cleaned their act up some since that time.

[Unidox]

No one is objecting to the amount we spend on defence; at least on here. Why all the hubbub over healthcare? How complacent does your conscience have to be to allow for war, but cry bloody murder when offered to help heal?

[Greed and Death]

No one is objecting to the amount we spend on defence; at least on here. Why all the hubbub over healthcare? How complacent does your conscience have to be to allow for war, but cry bloody murder when offered to help heal?

I think just about everyone on nsg objects to that.
Id love to see a 50% reduction in defense spending over 10 years.