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Do you want the bill to pass?

Poll ended at Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:24 am

Yes, I do!
114
42%
Kind of...
29
11%
Neutral
19
7%
No, not really
18
7%
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
91
34%
 
Total votes : 271

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Postby Denecaep » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:41 pm

Whoever manages to call in, mention their nation name! I would say "Oh, and for you NSGers, I am Denecaep!"
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Ashmoria
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:41 pm

greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
San Guillermo wrote:Well, now it's the Senate's turn to pass the reconciliation bill, but if they have the committed 52 votes that are on the letter by Sen. Bennet of Colorado, then it should be no problem...

there are tons of stalling tactics that the republicans can do but since its stalling the fixes only that may not be as fun as they are anticipating.

and have portions of the reconciliation bill tossed out.

it should be all agreed on already but if not, they can ammend it and send it back to the house cant they?
whatever

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Postby Caninope » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:41 pm

Slytheronia wrote:I don't Understand why everyone thinks that free healthcare to the poor is a bad thing. My family is Very poor, and my mother doesn't have health insurance, and she will probably never be able to afford it. This could help a lot of people.


It's the fact that we are being forced to buy it, we don't know you, and medicaid could help you if you are as poor as you say.

It's trying to legislate compassion.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:41 pm

Slytheronia wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Slytheronia wrote:I don't Understand why everyone thinks that free healthcare to the poor is a bad thing. My family is Very poor, and my mother doesn't have health insurance, and she will probably never be able to afford it. This could help a lot of people.

i am all for giving your mother help buying insurance
I am agaist being forced to buy insurance.


It's-free-! wern't you listening?

only if your below a certain income level, and you dont live in one of the states opting out of medicaid.
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Postby Caninope » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:42 pm

Slytheronia wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Slytheronia wrote:I don't Understand why everyone thinks that free healthcare to the poor is a bad thing. My family is Very poor, and my mother doesn't have health insurance, and she will probably never be able to afford it. This could help a lot of people.

i am all for giving your mother help buying insurance
I am agaist being forced to buy insurance.


It's-free-! wern't you listening?


It's not free. The money doesn't come from thin air, it comes from taxes.
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Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:42 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
San Guillermo wrote:Well, now it's the Senate's turn to pass the reconciliation bill, but if they have the committed 52 votes that are on the letter by Sen. Bennet of Colorado, then it should be no problem...

there are tons of stalling tactics that the republicans can do but since its stalling the fixes only that may not be as fun as they are anticipating.

and have portions of the reconciliation bill tossed out.

it should be all agreed on already but if not, they can ammend it and send it back to the house cant they?

Tossed out as in not acceptable for reconciliation.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:43 pm

SaintB wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
Slytheronia wrote:I don't Understand why everyone thinks that free healthcare to the poor is a bad thing. My family is Very poor, and my mother doesn't have health insurance, and she will probably never be able to afford it. This could help a lot of people.

i dont understand it either. there is no benefit to letting people suffer unnecessarily.

Sure there is... an extra $5-6 in your pocket is worth the suffering of thousands.

oh yeah. i didnt think of it THAT way.
whatever

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Postby Bergnovinaia » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:44 pm

I'm sure someone already said this but it passed in the house.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:44 pm

LOL Crazy Old Lady on phone...yay!
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Postby Ermarian » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:44 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
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i hate it when they do that shit. STUPAK as baby killer! pahleeeze.


Particularly since Stupak is the ass that demanded an executive order against women's rights to even vote in the interests of his own party. -_-
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:45 pm

greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
San Guillermo wrote:Well, now it's the Senate's turn to pass the reconciliation bill, but if they have the committed 52 votes that are on the letter by Sen. Bennet of Colorado, then it should be no problem...

there are tons of stalling tactics that the republicans can do but since its stalling the fixes only that may not be as fun as they are anticipating.

and have portions of the reconciliation bill tossed out.

it should be all agreed on already but if not, they can ammend it and send it back to the house cant they?

Tossed out as in not acceptable for reconciliation.

oh i thought they had only put things in that were eligible for reconcilliation.
whatever

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DrunkenDove
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Postby DrunkenDove » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:45 pm

This guy is confused...
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Postby Grainne Ni Malley » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:46 pm

Confused guy is confused.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:46 pm

I believe that guy is in fact actually confused.
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Postby Caninope » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:47 pm

Nathan Deal (sp?) resigned!
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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:47 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
San Guillermo wrote:Well, now it's the Senate's turn to pass the reconciliation bill, but if they have the committed 52 votes that are on the letter by Sen. Bennet of Colorado, then it should be no problem...

there are tons of stalling tactics that the republicans can do but since its stalling the fixes only that may not be as fun as they are anticipating.

and have portions of the reconciliation bill tossed out.

it should be all agreed on already but if not, they can ammend it and send it back to the house cant they?

Tossed out as in not acceptable for reconciliation.

oh i thought they had only put things in that were eligible for reconcilliation.

They wont be certain until challenges are made against them.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:47 pm

Caninope wrote:Nathan Deal (sp?) resigned!

why did he do that?
whatever

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Postby Denecaep » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:48 pm

Who's gonna be the first to ask Palin what she thinks of this "Hopey, changey, stuff?"
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Denecaep
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Postby Denecaep » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:48 pm

Anyone else going to try to call in?
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:48 pm

greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
San Guillermo wrote:Well, now it's the Senate's turn to pass the reconciliation bill, but if they have the committed 52 votes that are on the letter by Sen. Bennet of Colorado, then it should be no problem...

there are tons of stalling tactics that the republicans can do but since its stalling the fixes only that may not be as fun as they are anticipating.

and have portions of the reconciliation bill tossed out.

it should be all agreed on already but if not, they can ammend it and send it back to the house cant they?

Tossed out as in not acceptable for reconciliation.

oh i thought they had only put things in that were eligible for reconcilliation.

They wont be certain until challenges are made against them.

ahhh

it will be an education in senate procedures for sure.
whatever

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Postby Avenio » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:49 pm

Some guy named 'Nathan Dale' or something just resigned as a representative from Georgia, I think..

EDIT: Nevermind, a retirement.
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Postby The Candy Lane » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:49 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:I believe that guy is in fact actually confused.

"thats not how our government works"? well apparently it is 8)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:51 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Caninope wrote:Nathan Deal (sp?) resigned!

why did he do that?

He's running for governor.
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Postby Slytheronia » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:51 pm

Caninope wrote:
Slytheronia wrote:I don't Understand why everyone thinks that free healthcare to the poor is a bad thing. My family is Very poor, and my mother doesn't have health insurance, and she will probably never be able to afford it. This could help a lot of people.


It's the fact that we are being forced to buy it, we don't know you, and medicaid could help you if you are as poor as you say.

It's trying to legislate compassion.

She can't even afford that. you still have to pay for medicaid
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:51 pm

SaintB wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
Slytheronia wrote:I don't Understand why everyone thinks that free healthcare to the poor is a bad thing. My family is Very poor, and my mother doesn't have health insurance, and she will probably never be able to afford it. This could help a lot of people.

i dont understand it either. there is no benefit to letting people suffer unnecessarily.

Sure there is... an extra $5-6 in your pocket is worth the suffering of thousands.

that 5-6 dollars will still be in my pocket regardless.
I will utilize all means to avoid taxation.
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