Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[Post-Unity Terra]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

They see it as infringing on the babies right and also as quasi-murder.

Much like anal sex and not being a fundamentalist christian.

[Chrobalta]

anyone notice how they keep pushing the deadline back? moved from 9:30 to 10:00.

Procedural, and depending on how long Boehner speakers it could go on all night.

[Takaram]

Is it just me, or does it seem like a teenager could make better speeches than some of these people?

I have made better speeches, are you kidding me?

[Ashmoria]

I don't see the point in this bill. Its use less, and a waste of every one's tax money. This bill will probably take this country even farther into an economic depression.

then you havent been paying attention.

[Zooey Deschanel]

Goddamn, Mike Pence is slimy.

How does one "Break history"?

I imagine you do it by aborting babies and banning prayer.

He's quoting the Bible. Fucking christ this shit wouldn't fly anywhere else.

It shouldn't fly here.

Socialized medicine my ass.

If he's quoting the Bible, how about the New Testament? You know the parts where Jesus and his group shared all their money and healed people for free...

You mean the part where they did it all with out government assistance?

Yeah, the part where the Teabaggers weren't accusing the sick and disabled of being lazy, and saying they just have it tough and need to take care of it themselves. That part.

[Post-Unity Terra]

Is it just me, or does it seem like a teenager could make better speeches than some of these people?

I have made better speeches, are you kidding me?

I've made better speeches to my front door after a heavy night's drinking.

[Rolling squid]

anyone notice how they keep pushing the deadline back? moved from 9:30 to 10:00.

Procedural, and depending on how long Boehner speakers it could go on all night.

huh. It was my understanding that debate time was fixed at two hours. Guess not.

[United Dependencies]

anyone notice how they keep pushing the deadline back? moved from 9:30 to 10:00.

Procedural, and depending on how long Boehner speakers it could go on all night.

Do the Repubs have time for him or is there going to be an extension for his speech? At the moment it seems like they are using up their time on other speakers.

[Wilgrove]

It's like two Competitors arguing over who's going to get the Bronze Medal for the Special Olympics, only both of them speak better then the folks for/against the health-care, and instead of arguing over the medal itself, they're arguing over dead squirrel that got ran over by a Prius.


Actually I think the Two Competitors could solve this better than both parties combined.

Dammit...you made me snort tea out of my nose!

[Caninope]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not everyone wants it! That's the problem. Most people who don't have it are between 21-30, and do you want to guess which ages group(s) have the highest rates of cell phones per person?

[Maxen von Bismarck]

There are about 50 million Americans without health insurance now, if this bill passes, they will immediately get government funded insurance and who's going to pay for that? The middle and upper classes. Also, where are the extra doctors to treat these newly insured people? Answer: There are none, 50 million more patients and not a single additional doctor

Immediately? No, sometime after the year after next year. Almost nothing in the bill goes into effect immediately. And the number is around 30 million, not 50 million. Interesting how the opponents of the bill lower and raise that number to suit the argument they're trying to make. And do you actually think all those uninsured people need medical attention right this minute? Or that no new doctors are being graduated in this country? Please, at least be creative in the lies you make up.

Aren't doctors retiring, too?

And, even if not all 30-50 million people get sick right now, don't you think there will be a substantial increase of sick people, with no new doctors to treat it?

I mean, if 5% of people get sick every year, that is at least 1.5 million new people.

Okay, now, think this through with me. There are 30 million uninsured people (we'll take the low number just as an example). If I understand you, they do not put a strain on the health care system because, not having insurance, they simply suffer in silence and, perhaps, pray that they will get better. They never go to an emergency room or a free clinic or any other source of health care. But now, once this bill passes, as many as 5% of them will get sick - may get sick - and instead of that noble, stoic, silent suffering, they will rush instantly to their doctors' offices. Doesn't that seem odd?

This is like the global warming denial game, where the person playing the denier falls back on successive lines of defense until everyone just laughs, has a drink and starts a new game. I haven't seen the "ZOMG, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOCTORS, WE CAN'T PASS THIS BILL!" defense before, I have to admit.

I think the point is people will more likely undertake excessive amounts of checking and re-checking. I (as I explained above) will likely put more strain on the healthcare "system" in one day (not to mention day 2 and 3) than my whole family does in a year. It's just basic economics. If prices are low, more will be demanded.

Well, I don't see it. They can get free health care just by going to the emergency room, where they will be, like stories in the National Enquirer, checked, re-checked and checked again. The difference being, of course, that those visits tend to raise the cost of health care and of insurance for those that have insurance, whereas the new plan won't.

I don't mean to be rude, but are you American and/or a participant in the American healthcare service? How old are you, or if you feel more comfortable not telling, can you at least tell me what sort of medical responsibility you have?

The reason I ask is that you have an odd grasp of the medical industry. The amount spent on this proverbial "emergency room" of your's is more than enough; I admit. But there are countless more areas to use your medical insurance on other than stopping by when you have your leg cut open. You have your dentist, your dermatologist, opthamologist, chiropractors, audiologist, gynocologist, your pick of pills (treating everything from autism to, well, something that starts with Z), dieticians and countless other things that I'm fairly certain this new bill is "picking up" directly or indirectly; so to speak.

I'm looking at this new world of medical possibilities, and I like it. It'll be theoretically cheaper than my current one (mine doesn't cover fun things like adderoll; PG-rating meth) and cover more things. And I have insurance already. I can only imagine how it looks to those who have been without insurance before. In one sudden move they go from getting by with Wal-Mart prescriptions to the medical equivalent of Filet Mignon.

And medical prices are supposed to go down? Please. I'm just glad I won't be paying for my excess. I won't be the last to leave from this party.

[The Romulan Republic]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

They see it as infringing on the babies right and also as quasi-murder.

Right. Its completely consistent if you start from the premise that fetuses/embryos are human beings.

The ones who oppose contraceptives, on the other hand...

[Canada Provinces]

I have returned, after leaving for a short break, but still there is one up side to this whole bill. That people who can't afford health care, can get it for them and their families.

[Helertia]

Kay people, I have to go to bed, and the votes been pushed back. Night all!
Democrats better win this.

[Ashmoria]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

They see it as infringing on the babies right and also as quasi-murder.

yeah

thats why they suck.

[Chrobalta]

anyone notice how they keep pushing the deadline back? moved from 9:30 to 10:00.

Procedural, and depending on how long Boehner speakers it could go on all night.

huh. It was my understanding that debate time was fixed at two hours. Guess not.

Leadership gets unlimited speaking time unless I am mistaken. Time spent in between speakers is also not counted as the "two hours".

[United Dependencies]

anyone notice how they keep pushing the deadline back? moved from 9:30 to 10:00.

Procedural, and depending on how long Boehner speakers it could go on all night.

huh. It was my understanding that debate time was fixed at two hours. Guess not.

Each side gets 60 minutes. There are certain things that take time but don't take away from these 60 minutes. Like the fact that they switch back and forth.

[American Capitalist]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

[Post-Unity Terra]

I wish Schwartz would stop spitting into the mic.

[Rolling squid]

anyone notice how they keep pushing the deadline back? moved from 9:30 to 10:00.

Procedural, and depending on how long Boehner speakers it could go on all night.

huh. It was my understanding that debate time was fixed at two hours. Guess not.

Leadership gets unlimited speaking time unless I am mistaken. Time spent in between speakers is also not counted as the "two hours".

ah. that makes sense. Thank you.

[Maxen von Bismarck]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

Clearly, you're a wild-eyed tea partier who only doesn't want to get insurance because your a racist.

[Ashmoria]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not everyone wants it! That's the problem. Most people who don't have it are between 21-30, and do you want to guess which ages group(s) have the highest rates of cell phones per person?

what do cellphones haveto do with it?

[Canada Provinces]

There are about 50 million Americans without health insurance now, if this bill passes, they will immediately get government funded insurance and who's going to pay for that? The middle and upper classes. Also, where are the extra doctors to treat these newly insured people? Answer: There are none, 50 million more patients and not a single additional doctor

Immediately? No, sometime after the year after next year. Almost nothing in the bill goes into effect immediately. And the number is around 30 million, not 50 million. Interesting how the opponents of the bill lower and raise that number to suit the argument they're trying to make. And do you actually think all those uninsured people need medical attention right this minute? Or that no new doctors are being graduated in this country? Please, at least be creative in the lies you make up.

Aren't doctors retiring, too?

And, even if not all 30-50 million people get sick right now, don't you think there will be a substantial increase of sick people, with no new doctors to treat it?

I mean, if 5% of people get sick every year, that is at least 1.5 million new people.

Okay, now, think this through with me. There are 30 million uninsured people (we'll take the low number just as an example). If I understand you, they do not put a strain on the health care system because, not having insurance, they simply suffer in silence and, perhaps, pray that they will get better. They never go to an emergency room or a free clinic or any other source of health care. But now, once this bill passes, as many as 5% of them will get sick - may get sick - and instead of that noble, stoic, silent suffering, they will rush instantly to their doctors' offices. Doesn't that seem odd?

This is like the global warming denial game, where the person playing the denier falls back on successive lines of defense until everyone just laughs, has a drink and starts a new game. I haven't seen the "ZOMG, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOCTORS, WE CAN'T PASS THIS BILL!" defense before, I have to admit.

I think the point is people will more likely undertake excessive amounts of checking and re-checking. I (as I explained above) will likely put more strain on the healthcare "system" in one day (not to mention day 2 and 3) than my whole family does in a year. It's just basic economics. If prices are low, more will be demanded.

Well, I don't see it. They can get free health care just by going to the emergency room, where they will be, like stories in the National Enquirer, checked, re-checked and checked again. The difference being, of course, that those visits tend to raise the cost of health care and of insurance for those that have insurance, whereas the new plan won't.

I don't mean to be rude, but are you American and/or a participant in the American healthcare service? How old are you, or if you feel more comfortable not telling, can you at least tell me what sort of medical responsibility you have?

The reason I ask is that you have an odd grasp of the medical industry. The amount spent on this proverbial "emergency room" of your's is more than enough; I admit. But there are countless more areas to use your medical insurance on other than stopping by when you have your leg cut open. You have your dentist, your dermatologist, opthamologist, chiropractors, audiologist, gynocologist, your pick of pills (treating everything from autism to, well, something that starts with Z), dieticians and countless other things that I'm fairly certain this new bill is "picking up" directly or indirectly; so to speak.

I'm looking at this new world of medical possibilities, and I like it. It'll be theoretically cheaper than my current one (mine doesn't cover fun things like adderoll; PG-rating meth) and cover more things. And I have insurance already. I can only imagine how it looks to those who have been without insurance before. In one sudden move they go from getting by with Wal-Mart prescriptions to the medical equivalent of Filet Mignon.

And medical prices are supposed to go down? Please. I'm just glad I won't be paying for my excess. I won't be the last to leave from this party.

I have set out plans to go into the medical field.

[United Dependencies]

I hate the idea but love this analogy

[Ashmoria]

its interesting that the republicans are in favor of freedom but not reproductive freedom, only the freedoms THEY want.

I don't see how it's fair that you force someone to buy something.

yeah what a burden it is to "force" you to buy something you want.

Not every one needs health care for example I'm a teenager I'm not really going to be in the doctor any time soon and therefore do not really need insurance. I would rather spend my money on college and other things.

you arent covered by your parents?