Son of The Bride of the MEGA Health Care Thread (Of DOOM!)

[Our L Lawliet]

How much longer til the voting?

[Takaram]

How much longer til the voting?

Half hour by C-SPAN's estimation.

[Helertia]

You go girl!

[Traceynia]

I am extremely pleased with Gwen Moore for lambasting republican nonsense.

[Chazaka]

Go Moore!

[United Dependencies]

Have I missed the Boehner's speech yet?

[Maxen von Bismarck]

Would you kindly list the relevant page numbers? I have a digital copy I'd like to put to good use.

there are lots. here, have a CBO report:
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=11355

I love the CBO. So young, so filled with hope. But that's beside the point.

Reading the bill is hard to do, isn't it? Well, I can't expect everyone who supports the bill to have the patience.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc113 ... hr4872.pdf

I found that interesting.

[United Dependencies]

Would you kindly list the relevant page numbers? I have a digital copy I'd like to put to good use.

there are lots. here, have a CBO report:
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=11355

I stand corrected.

[Farnhamia]

There are about 50 million Americans without health insurance now, if this bill passes, they will immediately get government funded insurance and who's going to pay for that? The middle and upper classes. Also, where are the extra doctors to treat these newly insured people? Answer: There are none, 50 million more patients and not a single additional doctor

Immediately? No, sometime after the year after next year. Almost nothing in the bill goes into effect immediately. And the number is around 30 million, not 50 million. Interesting how the opponents of the bill lower and raise that number to suit the argument they're trying to make. And do you actually think all those uninsured people need medical attention right this minute? Or that no new doctors are being graduated in this country? Please, at least be creative in the lies you make up.

Aren't doctors retiring, too?

And, even if not all 30-50 million people get sick right now, don't you think there will be a substantial increase of sick people, with no new doctors to treat it?

I mean, if 5% of people get sick every year, that is at least 1.5 million new people.

Okay, now, think this through with me. There are 30 million uninsured people (we'll take the low number just as an example). If I understand you, they do not put a strain on the health care system because, not having insurance, they simply suffer in silence and, perhaps, pray that they will get better. They never go to an emergency room or a free clinic or any other source of health care. But now, once this bill passes, as many as 5% of them will get sick - may get sick - and instead of that noble, stoic, silent suffering, they will rush instantly to their doctors' offices. Doesn't that seem odd?

This is like the global warming denial game, where the person playing the denier falls back on successive lines of defense until everyone just laughs, has a drink and starts a new game. I haven't seen the "ZOMG, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOCTORS, WE CAN'T PASS THIS BILL!" defense before, I have to admit.

[Wilgrove]

Get to the fireworks factory already!

[Maxen von Bismarck]

There are about 50 million Americans without health insurance now, if this bill passes, they will immediately get government funded insurance and who's going to pay for that? The middle and upper classes. Also, where are the extra doctors to treat these newly insured people? Answer: There are none, 50 million more patients and not a single additional doctor

Immediately? No, sometime after the year after next year. Almost nothing in the bill goes into effect immediately. And the number is around 30 million, not 50 million. Interesting how the opponents of the bill lower and raise that number to suit the argument they're trying to make. And do you actually think all those uninsured people need medical attention right this minute? Or that no new doctors are being graduated in this country? Please, at least be creative in the lies you make up.

Aren't doctors retiring, too?

And, even if not all 30-50 million people get sick right now, don't you think there will be a substantial increase of sick people, with no new doctors to treat it?

I mean, if 5% of people get sick every year, that is at least 1.5 million new people.

Okay, now, think this through with me. There are 30 million uninsured people (we'll take the low number just as an example). If I understand you, they do not put a strain on the health care system because, not having insurance, they simply suffer in silence and, perhaps, pray that they will get better. They never go to an emergency room or a free clinic or any other source of health care. But now, once this bill passes, as many as 5% of them will get sick - may get sick - and instead of that noble, stoic, silent suffering, they will rush instantly to their doctors' offices. Doesn't that seem odd?

This is like the global warming denial game, where the person playing the denier falls back on successive lines of defense until everyone just laughs, has a drink and starts a new game. I haven't seen the "ZOMG, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOCTORS, WE CAN'T PASS THIS BILL!" defense before, I have to admit.

I think the point is people will more likely undertake excessive amounts of checking and re-checking. I (as I explained above) will likely put more strain on the healthcare "system" in one day (not to mention day 2 and 3) than my whole family does in a year. It's just basic economics. If prices are low, more will be demanded.

[Takaram]

How old is the info Ryan is using from the CBO?

[Wilgrove]

Paul Ryan is probably the youngest member there!

[United Dependencies]

Ofcourse how could I forget that this bill is not about covering people and lowering prices. Its about secretly stealing everyone's freedom and instituting communism. Oh Paul Ryan.

[Takaram]

Ofcourse how could I forget that this bill is not about covering people and lowering prices. Its about secretly stealing everyone's freedom and instituting communism.

Yeah, didn't you read that portion of the bill? It's in the secret hidden text on the back.

EDIT: And now he'd insulting Europe.

[Chazaka]

Our founders had slavery, no voting for women or free blacks and the average bloke died in their forties. Hardly something I want to go back to.

[United Dependencies]

Ofcourse how could I forget that this bill is not about covering people and lowering prices. Its about secretly stealing everyone's freedom and instituting communism.

Yeah, didn't you read that portion of the bill? It's in the secret hidden text on the back.

Oh and I also forgot that Europe's nhs will turn it into a wasteland. How foolish of me.

[Farnhamia]

There are about 50 million Americans without health insurance now, if this bill passes, they will immediately get government funded insurance and who's going to pay for that? The middle and upper classes. Also, where are the extra doctors to treat these newly insured people? Answer: There are none, 50 million more patients and not a single additional doctor

Immediately? No, sometime after the year after next year. Almost nothing in the bill goes into effect immediately. And the number is around 30 million, not 50 million. Interesting how the opponents of the bill lower and raise that number to suit the argument they're trying to make. And do you actually think all those uninsured people need medical attention right this minute? Or that no new doctors are being graduated in this country? Please, at least be creative in the lies you make up.

Aren't doctors retiring, too?

And, even if not all 30-50 million people get sick right now, don't you think there will be a substantial increase of sick people, with no new doctors to treat it?

I mean, if 5% of people get sick every year, that is at least 1.5 million new people.

Okay, now, think this through with me. There are 30 million uninsured people (we'll take the low number just as an example). If I understand you, they do not put a strain on the health care system because, not having insurance, they simply suffer in silence and, perhaps, pray that they will get better. They never go to an emergency room or a free clinic or any other source of health care. But now, once this bill passes, as many as 5% of them will get sick - may get sick - and instead of that noble, stoic, silent suffering, they will rush instantly to their doctors' offices. Doesn't that seem odd?

This is like the global warming denial game, where the person playing the denier falls back on successive lines of defense until everyone just laughs, has a drink and starts a new game. I haven't seen the "ZOMG, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOCTORS, WE CAN'T PASS THIS BILL!" defense before, I have to admit.

I think the point is people will more likely undertake excessive amounts of checking and re-checking. I (as I explained above) will likely put more strain on the healthcare "system" in one day (not to mention day 2 and 3) than my whole family does in a year. It's just basic economics. If prices are low, more will be demanded.

Well, I don't see it. They can get free health care just by going to the emergency room, where they will be, like stories in the National Enquirer, checked, re-checked and checked again. The difference being, of course, that those visits tend to raise the cost of health care and of insurance for those that have insurance, whereas the new plan won't.

[Helertia]

European Healthcare is unsustainable? 52 years and counting. Suck it.

[Takaram]

And there they are talking about Scott Brown again. Jesus, they don't let anything go.

[Free Soviets]

paul ryan's 'ideas that made this country great' mainly involve letting old people die without healthcare

[Maxen von Bismarck]

How old is the info Ryan is using from the CBO?

Today's. Check one of the threads, Soviet Party (or whomever) linked it.

[Canada Provinces]

Has there been any decision or vote on the bill yet?

[Helertia]

Has there been any decision or vote on the bill yet?

not yet. Expecting one at 9:30 EST

[Farnhamia]

Ofcourse how could I forget that this bill is not about covering people and lowering prices. Its about secretly stealing everyone's freedom and instituting communism.

Yeah, didn't you read that portion of the bill? It's in the secret hidden text on the back.

Oh and I also forgot that Europe's nhs will turn it into a wasteland. How foolish of me.

I thought the European NHs already had turned the place into a desert. That explains why so many Muslims are moving there, because it's a desert, see, and Islam originated in Arabian, which is also a desert.

And if you read the bill backwards, it says something about a walrus and two guys named John and Paul.