It seems Israel's feelings supersede free speech

[Sanctissima]

I don't see your point here.

If you want to damn the Palestinians for unsuccessfully collaborating with Hitler and furthermore committing terrorism to try and bring about their state, we've got to recognise that the Israelis did a small degree of the former and much more of the latter to successfully bring about theirs.

Hypocrisy isn't necessarily a bad thing.

One can focus exclusively on all the negative aspects of one side while simultaneously only focusing on the positive aspects of one's own.

[Bakery Hill]

If you want to damn the Palestinians for unsuccessfully collaborating with Hitler and furthermore committing terrorism to try and bring about their state, we've got to recognise that the Israelis did a small degree of the former and much more of the latter to successfully bring about theirs.

Hypocrisy isn't necessarily a bad thing.

One can focus exclusively on all the negative aspects of one side while simultaneously only focusing on the positive aspects of one's own.

I agree, that's why I said "recognise" rather than "also damn". I'm not above a bit of shameless bias.

[Proctopeo]

I don't see your point here.

If you want to damn the Palestinians for unsuccessfully collaborating with Hitler and furthermore committing terrorism to try and bring about their state, we've got to recognise that the Israelis did a small degree of the former and much more of the latter to successfully bring about theirs.

Gotcha.

[Benuty]

If this passes chances and is enforced the ACLU will definitely take it to court. I'm confident they'd be able to win that fight.


/pol/ is not 90% of 4chan. It's a containment board. Most of the rest of the site doesn't care.

Containment inevitably fails.

As with all plagues really except in China where they lock down entire cities over a cough.

[Proctopeo]

Containment inevitably fails.

As with all plagues really except in China where they lock down entire cities over a cough.

And Madagascar, which locks down the entire country if someone coughs anywhere in the world.

[The Confederacy of American-States]

Jeez I think the Facist Israeli empire from HoI 4 is going to be a thing.
To make it clear, I am not Anti-Israel, they defended themselfs, but I am anti-oppression when it comes to stupid laws in the US and oppression of Palestinians in the West bank and Gaza strip.

[Great Minarchistan]

mfw 1st amendment is openly threatened by politicians

[Pope Joan]

America used to be so proud of our First amendment rights.

Now we devote our energies to kissing up to the Likud.

[Sovaal]

mfw 1st amendment is openly threatened by politicians

>Implying that this is the first time

[Great Minarchistan]

mfw 1st amendment is openly threatened by politicians

>Implying that this is the first time

Never said it was, sadly.

[Salus Maior]

They're called the Haredi. And Salus is right, they don't support it and only barely accept the authority of the State of Israel.

Orthodox =/= Haredi. Orthodox is a big group of which Modern Orthodox and Haredi are apart of. Yes Haredi Jews don't like Israel but Modern Orthodox aka Orthodox Jews do.

As someone who knows Orthodox Jews (namely Menassa and the Yemenite guy whose NS name I forget), they both state that Orthodox Judaism opposes the state of Israel.

[Frostnia]

Orthodox =/= Haredi. Orthodox is a big group of which Modern Orthodox and Haredi are apart of. Yes Haredi Jews don't like Israel but Modern Orthodox aka Orthodox Jews do.

As someone who knows Orthodox Jews (namely Menassa and the Yemenite guy whose NS name I forget), they both state that Orthodox Judaism opposes the state of Israel.

Funny you say that. Have you seen how many Orthodox Jews live in Israel?

[Salus Maior]

As someone who knows Orthodox Jews (namely Menassa and the Yemenite guy whose NS name I forget), they both state that Orthodox Judaism opposes the state of Israel.

Funny you say that. Have you seen how many Orthodox Jews live in Israel?

That doesn't mean they support the institution of Israel or its policies. Most people can't afford to move out of a country on principle.

The Yemenite guy I mentioned (whose real name I know but NS name I forget) lived in Israel for a time and he's very outspoken against Israeli policies.

[The Feylands]

As someone who knows Orthodox Jews (namely Menassa and the Yemenite guy whose NS name I forget), they both state that Orthodox Judaism opposes the state of Israel.

Not entirely true though, maybe according to 'their' beliefs about The True Faith™, but there are Hardals like the famous rabbi Meir Kahane who are both ultra-orthodox and pro-Israel, and essentially advocate a transformation of the State of Israel into a theocracy.

[Frostnia]

As someone who knows Orthodox Jews (namely Menassa and the Yemenite guy whose NS name I forget), they both state that Orthodox Judaism opposes the state of Israel.

Not entirely true though, maybe according to 'their' beliefs about The True Faith™, but there are Hardals like the famous rabbi Meir Kahane who are both ultra-orthodox and pro-Israel, and essentially advocate a transformation of the State of Israel into a theocracy.

Yeah, that's basically the jist of it. There's actually a lot of concern in Israel about the growing Orthodox population and their nationalist/theocratic beliefs.

[Salus Maior]

As someone who knows Orthodox Jews (namely Menassa and the Yemenite guy whose NS name I forget), they both state that Orthodox Judaism opposes the state of Israel.

Not entirely true though, maybe according to 'their' beliefs about The True Faith™, but there are Hardals like the famous rabbi Meir Kahane who are both ultra-orthodox and pro-Israel, and essentially advocate a transformation of the State of Israel into a theocracy.

Eh, that's probably closest to the reality of it.

[Gauthier]

Not entirely true though, maybe according to 'their' beliefs about The True Faith™, but there are Hardals like the famous rabbi Meir Kahane who are both ultra-orthodox and pro-Israel, and essentially advocate a transformation of the State of Israel into a theocracy.

Yeah, that's basically the jist of it. There's actually a lot of concern in Israel about the growing Orthodox population and their nationalist/theocratic beliefs.

If Israel does turn into a theocracy the West will continue propping it up while howling about Iranian oppression in the same breath.

[Salus Maior]

Yeah, that's basically the jist of it. There's actually a lot of concern in Israel about the growing Orthodox population and their nationalist/theocratic beliefs.

If Israel does turn into a theocracy the West will continue propping it up while howling about Iranian oppression in the same breath.

Not the first time the U.S supported something opposed to it's own spoken ideals.

[Gauthier]

If Israel does turn into a theocracy the West will continue propping it up while howling about Iranian oppression in the same breath.

Not the first time the U.S supported something opposed to it's own spoken ideals.

Which resulted in things like the Iranian Revolution.

[Frostnia]

Yeah, that's basically the jist of it. There's actually a lot of concern in Israel about the growing Orthodox population and their nationalist/theocratic beliefs.

If Israel does turn into a theocracy the West will continue propping it up while howling about Iranian oppression in the same breath.

Yeah but to be fair Israel isn't bent on nuking another country.

[Salus Maior]

Not the first time the U.S supported something opposed to it's own spoken ideals.

Which resulted in things like the Iranian Revolution.

Also about every dictatorship in South America.

And South Vietnam.

[States of Glory]

I'm not sure how people who died over forty years ago dictate what modern Palestinians believe.

I didn't say anything about what modern Palestinians believe.

Why bring it up, then?

I'm not sure how people who died over forty years ago dictate what modern Palestinians believe.

I wouldn't discount the history of the region so easily, though.

A lot of historical events helped shape the region to what it is today. I doubt that the Nazis had much influence, however. Also, we have to beware dipping into genetic fallacy territory.

[Gauthier]

If Israel does turn into a theocracy the West will continue propping it up while howling about Iranian oppression in the same breath.

Yeah but to be fair Israel isn't bent on nuking another country.

Secular Israel you mean.

[Frostnia]

Yeah but to be fair Israel isn't bent on nuking another country.

Secular Israel you mean.

Touchè. I honestly doubt Theocratic Israel would become a thing. Most Israelis don't like what the Orthodox have to say.

[Salus Maior]

Secular Israel you mean.

Touchè. I honestly doubt Theocratic Israel would become a thing. Most Israelis don't like what the Orthodox have to say.

What do they generally say?