Police Brutality and Abuse of Force

[Nouveau Yathrib]

I generally support BLM (or at least their stated goals) and agree that preventing police brutality is more important than race. The whole point of BLM is to raise awareness of institutional racism against African-Americans and address police abuse of power.

[Major-Tom]

The Police in America - well, I'm going to avoid using a broad brush here. In many localities, the police are somewhat reasonable, decent human beings. Unfortunately, in many other localities, particularly in inner cities and also suburban/predominantly white areas, police brutality and misuse of force is very very common. Even more concerning, these events can cause potentially violent unrest.

I don't know how we'd go about reforming the police system, but I'd certainly like less hot tempered, trigger happy, balding white guys if we can do that...

[Nexus of All Realities]

In which article did it state that Noor is not a citizen? I read the ones provided, and googled others. He is nowhere referred to as a non-citizen.

So, conclusions leapt to?

Since the OP did not answer this, and has repeatedit.

WHERE DOES IT STATE HE IS NOT A US CITIZEN?

But maybe he shouldn't be. He is obviously not fit to be.

[Ifreann]

Since the OP did not answer this, and has repeatedit.

WHERE DOES IT STATE HE IS NOT A US CITIZEN?

But maybe he shouldn't be. He is obviously not fit to be.

There'd be far fewer Americans if shooting someone was a disqualifying factor.

[Nexus of All Realities]

But maybe he shouldn't be. He is obviously not fit to be.

There'd be far fewer Americans if shooting someone was a disqualifying factor.

Thinking that someone from a third-world failed state is a good fit to suddenly police people in this country is delusional thinking.

Also, yes, since I was born in the U.S. I have more than enough right to object to his being here.

[Neutraligon]

There'd be far fewer Americans if shooting someone was a disqualifying factor.

Thinking that someone from a third-world failed state is a good fit to suddenly police people in this country is delusional thinking.

Also, yes, since I was born in the U.S. I have more than enough right to object to his being here.

Why does being from a third world country automatically mean they are a bad fit for being a police officer. Why do you assume there is no training or any of that stuff to be a police officer. I mean clearly there is a problem with the training, but becoming a police officer does not happen "suddenly"

[Nexus of All Realities]

Thinking that someone from a third-world failed state is a good fit to suddenly police people in this country is delusional thinking.

Also, yes, since I was born in the U.S. I have more than enough right to object to his being here.

Why does being from a third world country automatically mean they are a bad fit for being a police officer. Why do you assume there is no training or any of that stuff to be a police officer. I mean clearly there is a problem with the training, but becoming a police officer does not happen "suddenly"

It's a cultural thang. You wouldn't understand.

[Pope Joan]

More violence by a Somali in Minneapolis.

This one just happened to be wearing a badge.

I know how this opinion is going to come across, and I have never before singled out any one particular group, but I have friends in Kenya who have suffered from the Somalis, and they seem like an unpleasant element to introduce into any community.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /91099690/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/africa/so ... index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/f ... lence.html

Yeah, I know there's been particular difficulty with Somali refugees integrating in many new communities but I do wonder if it can be put down to being a feature of Somali culture or whether it should better be tied to the Refugee trauma coming out of the civil war into a new culture with a significant language barrier, racism and poverty/social deprivation.

Are those the same traumatized refugees that killed so many in the Nairobi Norfolk hotel, or the Westgate shooping mall there?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15336689

[Neutraligon]

Why does being from a third world country automatically mean they are a bad fit for being a police officer. Why do you assume there is no training or any of that stuff to be a police officer. I mean clearly there is a problem with the training, but becoming a police officer does not happen "suddenly"

It's a cultural thang. You wouldn't understand.

Condescending much. If you don't want to defend your point why are you here?

[Nexus of All Realities]

It's a cultural thang. You wouldn't understand.

Condescending much. If you don't want to defend your point why are you here?

I would defend my point for a while but it would be called thread derailment. It would take us well past the faults of the police in this country.

[Neutraligon]

Condescending much. If you don't want to defend your point why are you here?

I would defend my point for a while but it would be called thread derailment. It would take us well past the faults of the police in this country.

Given that you are saying that third world people should not become police, clearly you think that there is a problem with the police department that allows them to do so. It would be well within the topic of this thread.

[Bakery Hill]

Yeah, I know there's been particular difficulty with Somali refugees integrating in many new communities but I do wonder if it can be put down to being a feature of Somali culture or whether it should better be tied to the Refugee trauma coming out of the civil war into a new culture with a significant language barrier, racism and poverty/social deprivation.

Are those the same traumatized refugees that killed so many in the Nairobi Norfolk hotel, or the Westgate shooping mall there?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15336689

I know some Somalis who are great. They haven't been a problem in Australia. Americans are far more of a problem.

[Nexus of All Realities]

I would defend my point for a while but it would be called thread derailment. It would take us well past the faults of the police in this country.

Given that you are saying that third world people should not become police, clearly you think that there is a problem with the police department that allows them to do so. It would be well within the topic of this thread.

Uh, no, it won't be within the topic because I don't think the majority of third-worlders that are granted citizenship should be here at all. That's it.

[Neutraligon]

Given that you are saying that third world people should not become police, clearly you think that there is a problem with the police department that allows them to do so. It would be well within the topic of this thread.

Uh, no, it won't be within the topic because I don't think the majority of third-worlders that are granted citizenship should be here at all. That's it.

Which has nothing to do with my question of why those third-worlders that you would accept here should not be members of the police, or why you think they become police officers "suddenly."

[Nexus of All Realities]

Uh, no, it won't be within the topic because I don't think the majority of third-worlders that are granted citizenship should be here at all. That's it.

Which has nothing to do with my question of why those third-worlders that you would accept here should not be members of the police, or why you think they become police officers "suddenly."

It's as simple as this: I don't want a Somali policing my neighborhood, period. That's as straight-forward and blunt as I can be here.

[Neutraligon]

Which has nothing to do with my question of why those third-worlders that you would accept here should not be members of the police, or why you think they become police officers "suddenly."

It's as simple as this: I don't want a Somali policing my neighborhood, period. That's as straight-forward and blunt as I can be here.

Why? tell me exactly what you think about being a Somali makes them incapable of being a police officer, assuming of course they have passed all the tests and everything that every other person who wishes to become a police officer has to take. Do you think it will increase police brutality? If so why do you think being a Somali would do that? Does it create an issue of not understanding how much force to apply, if so do you think it is impossible to teach a Somali how much force is appropriate? Is it an issue of them abusing their position of power, if so do you think all Somali's would do so and do you think that is any different from say someone of Somali ancestry who was born in the US, or a US citizen who for whatever reason grew up elsewhere?

[Gauthier]

Which has nothing to do with my question of why those third-worlders that you would accept here should not be members of the police, or why you think they become police officers "suddenly."

It's as simple as this: I don't want a Somali policing my neighborhood, period. That's as straight-forward and blunt as I can be here.

Scared that you'll be pulled over by a Somali cop and suddenly turn into Tom Hanks?

[Nexus of All Realities]

It's as simple as this: I don't want a Somali policing my neighborhood, period. That's as straight-forward and blunt as I can be here.

Why? tell me exactly what you think about being a Somali makes them incapable of being a police officer, assuming of course they have passed all the tests and everything that every other person who wishes to become a police officer has to take.

I'm a race-realist. I'm partial to to what I consider to be the truth. I don't believe a Somali to be capable of doing this job, as well as plenty of others. They never fully assimilate into what is still largely a country that is (soon to be WAS) Anglo-Saxon/European derivative. The Anglosphere. Somalia isn't civilized, much less full of people compatible with this nation. Add a man with a lethal weapon who has to make snap judgments about people who are still very foreign to him and there is a problem created that should never have been one in the first place.

[Nexus of All Realities]

It's as simple as this: I don't want a Somali policing my neighborhood, period. That's as straight-forward and blunt as I can be here.

Scared that you'll be pulled over by a Somali cop and suddenly turn into Tom Hanks?

Hoping that I will be?. I guess?

[Liriena]

Why does being from a third world country automatically mean they are a bad fit for being a police officer. Why do you assume there is no training or any of that stuff to be a police officer. I mean clearly there is a problem with the training, but becoming a police officer does not happen "suddenly"

It's a cultural thang. You wouldn't understand.

Oh, are you an anthropologist?

[Liriena]

I'm a race-realist

You mean the cowardly, politically correct term for "racist"?

[Neutraligon]

Why? tell me exactly what you think about being a Somali makes them incapable of being a police officer, assuming of course they have passed all the tests and everything that every other person who wishes to become a police officer has to take.

I'm a race-realist. I'm partial to to what I consider to be the truth. I don't believe a Somali to be capable of doing this job, as well as plenty of others. They never fully assimilate into what is still largely a country that is (soon to be WAS) Anglo-Saxon/European derivative. The Anglosphere. Somalia isn't civilized, much less full of people compatible with this nation. Add a man with a lethal weapon who has to make snap judgments about people who are still very foreign to him and there is a problem created that should never have been one in the first place.

Funny that race realists are not that realistic at all. I asked a number of additional questions. You claim that they are incapable of doing the job, what about those who have been doing it so far with little to no problem? You claim that they will never associate, I ask do you have evidence of this? You claim Somalia is't civilized, I fail to see why this prevents them from integrating into a foreign culture (I will of course avoid the entire what is civilized debate). You claim to be looking at the truth, and yet provided not one scrap of evidence to support your claim that there is something about being a Somali that makes them unfit for being a police, nor have you shown how being a Somali has somehow caused incidence like this one. You have yet to explain why it is all Somali must be prevented from joining the police and yet failed to mention why it is the problems (the ones you have not really demonstrated to exist ) could not be caught by say a police academy and so prevent those who should not be police from becoming police. If the problems you mentioned exist, then I would think improving the training etc would help prevent anyone who has the problems, regardless of nation of origin, from becoming police officers.

So exactly what issues do you think having a Somali police officer would cause that say those of other places of origin would not cause, and how would catch those who have similar issues from becoming police officers should they come from say...the USA?

[Nexus of All Realities]

I'm a race-realist

You mean the cowardly, politically correct term for "racist"?

But, shouldn't we be PC at all times? I'm being polite and humble.

[Bakery Hill]

Why? tell me exactly what you think about being a Somali makes them incapable of being a police officer, assuming of course they have passed all the tests and everything that every other person who wishes to become a police officer has to take.

I'm a race-realist. I'm partial to to what I consider to be the truth. I don't believe a Somali to be capable of doing this job, as well as plenty of others. They never fully assimilate into what is still largely a country that is (soon to be WAS) Anglo-Saxon/European derivative.

Thank God.

[Liriena]

You mean the cowardly, politically correct term for "racist"?

But, shouldn't we be PC at all times? I'm being polite and humble.

No, you're being duplicitous, trying to rehabilitate overt racism by masking it as somehow empirically based. It's pretty see-through, though.