Police Brutality and Abuse of Force

[Greater Cesnica]

Plus white woman killed by black officer will invoke White Woman Syndrome and increase the odds of a conviction, especially if it's a trial by jury. People are using this to rant about BLM to demand they be ignored altogether.


I wouldn't be surprised if some assholes on the internet are calling for police to kill more blacks to rub it in BLM's noses.

Actually, I think the police are out of control in general. Whether it involves BLM or not. But the reaction to it is still one-sided.

The rest of that is sheer nonsense

There is no regulation whatsoever. The cameras should not be able to be switched on or off by anyone except an Oversight Authority, or Police Headquarters, via remote control. Officers would radio in when they arrive on the scene. Dispatch would remote control turn on the camera.

[USS Monitor]

Well, I don't think it's very common for white Australians to get shot by cops under such stupid circumstances. That might be why we haven't seen a lot of stories about it before this case.

Leave out "Australian" and it's far more common and deliberately overlooked. There is always only one narrative for the MSM.

Yes and no.

It's not the first time a white person has been killed by the cops under dubious circumstances, but I don't think there's a conscious effort to suppress the issue so much as it just didn't happen to push enough people's rage button to become a national scandal. Lots of people get killed one way or another without it being national news every time.

There have been times in the past, such as the Kent State Massacre, when white victims of police brutality made the news.

[Liriena]

First of all... OP is either lying or didn't do basic research.

At a healing circle in front of the crime scene, those neighbors and close friends, as well as Black Lives Matter activists and members of Womens March Minnesota, held hands, and talked about the deceased woman, naming her simply as "Justine."

With that said, I couldn't care less about the ethnicity, nationality or religion of police officers. It's been well-established by now that the problem of excessive use of force and corruption within the police, as well as racial bias, does not exclusively affect one skin tone among police officers.

[Gauthier]

First of all... OP is either lying or didn't do basic research.

At a healing circle in front of the crime scene, those neighbors and close friends, as well as Black Lives Matter activists and members of Womens March Minnesota, held hands, and talked about the deceased woman, naming her simply as "Justine."

With that said, I couldn't care less about the ethnicity, nationality or religion of police officers. It's been well-established by now that the problem of excessive use of force and corruption within the police, as well as racial bias, does not exclusively affect one skin tone among police officers.

All some people care about is getting BLM to STFU.

[Katganistan]

In which article did it state that Noor is not a citizen? I read the ones provided, and googled others. He is nowhere referred to as a non-citizen.

So, conclusions leapt to?

[Cetacea]

heh, even me on the other side of the World knew that the Police officer was Somali so I'm not sure who has failed to mention his 'ethnicity' and just because he's a refugee does that bar him from being a US citizen? The bigger deal of course is that it was an Australian woman who was killed so Turnball is demanding answers!

but yes I do have concerns about the state of Police oversight, adequacy of training and generally abusive/defensive attitudes amongst officers. I understand the job is highly stressful, but that goes back to adequacy of training and internal police support systems.

[Gauthier]

In which article did it state that Noor is not a citizen? I read the ones provided, and googled others. He is nowhere referred to as a non-citizen.

So, conclusions leapt to?

Somebody hoped Noor could be another Dirty Dangerous Refugee club to bludgeon others with.

[Yes Im Biop]

We need to kneecap what cops can do till we can get it worked out, body cams that can't be turned off and they get fired if it does mysteriously would be a good first start. Harsher penalties for crimes seeing as if they break the law they are supposed to uphold they are worse

[Blasted Craigs]

First of all... OP is either lying or didn't do basic research.

At a healing circle in front of the crime scene, those neighbors and close friends, as well as Black Lives Matter activists and members of Womens March Minnesota, held hands, and talked about the deceased woman, naming her simply as "Justine."

With that said, I couldn't care less about the ethnicity, nationality or religion of police officers. It's been well-established by now that the problem of excessive use of force and corruption within the police, as well as racial bias, does not exclusively affect one skin tone among police officers.

I am big enough to admit....I didn't see that BLM activists attended a vigil for the deceased...so, I have to issue a correction, that there was more than, as I stated, not a peep from the BLM.
So, I acknowledge that they at least acknowledged the crime. Although I still hate that they turned a potentially useful discourse in America from police brutality into a race issue, at least some activists can acknowledge police crimes can happen to all people, not just black people.
I just wish we could acknowledge there is a problem inherent with lack of oversight and good cops covering for bad cops, and acknowledge it is more than a racial problem.
And the main issue I have with the ethnicity of the cop is he was not an American citizen, and I have an issue with foreign nationals enforcing the law in the US, especially when so many in the US that are citizens would gladly take the job. And one can see in my links we have foreign nationals enforcing the law here now....which surprised the hell out of me.

[Liriena]

First of all... OP is either lying or didn't do basic research.

At a healing circle in front of the crime scene, those neighbors and close friends, as well as Black Lives Matter activists and members of Womens March Minnesota, held hands, and talked about the deceased woman, naming her simply as "Justine."

With that said, I couldn't care less about the ethnicity, nationality or religion of police officers. It's been well-established by now that the problem of excessive use of force and corruption within the police, as well as racial bias, does not exclusively affect one skin tone among police officers.

I am big enough to admit....I didn't see that BLM activists attended a vigil for the deceased...so, I have to issue a correction, that there was more than, as I stated, not a peep from the BLM.
So, I acknowledge that they at least acknowledged the crime. Although I still hate that they turned a potentially useful discourse in America from police brutality into a race issue, at least some activists can acknowledge police crimes can happen to all people, not just black people.
I just wish we could acknowledge there is a problem inherent with lack of oversight and good cops covering for bad cops, and acknowledge it is more than a racial problem.
And the main issue I have with the ethnicity of the cop is he was not an American citizen, and I have an issue with foreign nationals enforcing the law in the US, especially when so many in the US that are citizens would gladly take the job. And one can see in my links we have foreign nationals enforcing the law here now....which surprised the hell out of me.

I appreciate the acknowledgement.

Also, I fail to see why nationality is relevant. How does nationality make one more or less qualified to enforce the law?

[Ethel mermania]

I do think it is a police exercise issue. And I think it is a major issue in america

That said as much as I thiNK blm is a terrorist group and should be treated as such, I dont think it is fair to ask them to step up, white people being shot simply is not their issue.

Even if they were good guys, white folks getting shot isn't something they as an organization should care about. It's like asking a cancer organization to donate to heart disease. As individuals the may think it's a worthy cause, organizationally it is not related to their mission .

[Blasted Craigs]

I am big enough to admit....I didn't see that BLM activists attended a vigil for the deceased...so, I have to issue a correction, that there was more than, as I stated, not a peep from the BLM.
So, I acknowledge that they at least acknowledged the crime. Although I still hate that they turned a potentially useful discourse in America from police brutality into a race issue, at least some activists can acknowledge police crimes can happen to all people, not just black people.
I just wish we could acknowledge there is a problem inherent with lack of oversight and good cops covering for bad cops, and acknowledge it is more than a racial problem.
And the main issue I have with the ethnicity of the cop is he was not an American citizen, and I have an issue with foreign nationals enforcing the law in the US, especially when so many in the US that are citizens would gladly take the job. And one can see in my links we have foreign nationals enforcing the law here now....which surprised the hell out of me.

I appreciate the acknowledgement.

Also, I fail to see why nationality is relevant. How does nationality make one more or less qualified to enforce the law?

Let's have a little exercise. A cop runs over, say 20 people. Kills a fair number, say half. Now, a us citizen will at least face trial, and though will likely escape serious punishment, there is a chance they will face Justice.
A foreign national can request asylum from their home country and escape, legally, punishment under law. Same reason I don't think a foreign national should work in any legal capacity where they can exercise life and death authority over me or my fellow Americans.

Another way to look at it is that there is no shortage of American applicants for police jobs, yet they actively hire foreign nationals instead, for flimsy reasons.
I could understand if they couldn't fill the positions otherwise. But these are fairly well paid positions ( depending on the location) that are " reserved" for foreign nationals, regardless of local applicants.
If I move to Turkey, but retain my American nationality, should I get preference over local, Turkish applicants? If there is a shortage, I would say sure, hire me. But otherwise, government positions should always IMHO offered first to the local population before hiring outside help.
In other words, our police are not the UN. They are our police, and like having a jury of our peers, we should have a police of our peers.
They become citizens? Then hire them. But if they are not American citizens, then barring a failure to find local applicants they should not be favored over the local applicants.
And who will, might I ask, legally be considered under our law a jury of his peers? A potential legal point since he is not an American, that his defense may make to get a case thrown out on a technicality.

[Zanera]

She was shot approaching the car or at the car trying to speak with the police officers. She wasn't in her car, and I believe she had been hearing noises.

BBC has at least three articles on this shooting.

I do agree that the body cameras of the policemen should have been on, and that the circumstances of the shooting is very dubious.

Point of discussion....How glad are you, that the administration under which policies like this came to life, did not get their wish, and have their chosen successor elected, a successor that wanted to bring 500,000 + more refugees, potentially having many more non US citizen police forces patrolling our streets. (Mind, not immigrants that acquired citizenship. These are non US citizens altogether.)

4-I am OH SO GLAD we didn't elect the crowned successor. This makes me even happier she lost.

Hillary Clinton.
Somehow.

[The of Japan]

its clear the officer is at fault in this case, and should have the book thrown at him/her for murder.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Well.....it seems yet again police shot and killed an unarmed civilian, in fact one that called 911 because she witnessed a potential sexual assualt, and the response by police was to shoot her in her car.
A few points of interest, which bring up a few points of discussion.
1)This officer was required to turn on his body cam, no questions asked.

Actually, Minneapolis law is a little odd:

The Minneapolis Police Department’s Policy and Procedure manual says that any use of force requires the camera’s activation. If things change quickly and the officer is too busy, he or she should activate the camera “as soon as it is safe to do so,” according to the manual.

The cameras constantly record a 30-second video buffer, a so-called “lookback” that allows officers to capture whatever happened in the half-minute before it’s activated.

The BCA, which is investigating the shooting, said in a statement that it will be the Police Department’s job to determine whether the officers violated the department’s body camera policy. A police spokesman said Monday that the department had no comment on the officers’ use of body cameras.

(link in original)

So, they were required to turn them on... afterwards, when they wouldn't do any good? Strange but apparently true. Unsurprisingly, people are demanding the city change the law to require cops have the cameras on all the time (done in some places) or any time they leave their cruiser (done in others).

[Torrocca]

The officer in question should be held accountable for this death, and should be tried to the full extent of the law - if there's enough evidence to acquit, or a lacking amount of evidence proving this to be an actual, cold-blooded murder, than congratulations, officer: you're innocent. If not, he should be found guilty. Any officers that were there should also be held accountable and tried, if they didn't immediately take action and arrest him (regardless of whether there was or wasn't an actual reason to subdue or arrest him; police officers have been found to work together to cover up their own murders in the past before).

[Farnhamia]

Well.....it seems yet again police shot and killed an unarmed civilian, in fact one that called 911 because she witnessed a potential sexual assualt, and the response by police was to shoot her in her car.
A few points of interest, which bring up a few points of discussion.
1)This officer was required to turn on his body cam, no questions asked. For whatever reason, both officers turned off the body cam.
Point of discussion.... Does this show intent? Or is it so prevalent an issue, that higher ups ignore when their officers do not follow procedure, thus making policies meant to protect civilians from police abuse of power irrelevant? Bonus discussion?//Which would be worse?

2) Not a peep of protest from BLM. This is due to this being a white woman shot and killed by a black officer, so it doesn't advance their narrative. I hate to say it, but the same is true for the MSM, as non MSM outlets show his picture, but not even a reference to the officers race in MSM outlets. Unlike when a black civilian is shot by a white officer.
Point of discussion....Does this show the BLM are pursuing an agenda, and really overall do not care about police abuse of power? (Never a peep from them in cases like this).Bonus//Is this possible passive deception by either group (media or BLM) to avoid harm to a narrative being pushed? Bonus...And if it wasn't for the Australian Minister demanding answers, As she was an Australian native here shot dead, would this have been in your opinion swept under the rug and ignored?

3)The Officer, Mohammed Noor, was not even an American citizen. He was a Somali Refugee.
Point of discussion....News to me that American police forces were hiring non American refugees into police roles, and no one is even sure how many refugees are on police payrolls, with life and death powers over American civilians. Now mind, there is not a shortage of applicants for these positions among American citizens, this is a policy of hiring non American immigrants into these forces, giving non Americans life and death powers over American citizens. This is not a case of no Americans will do these jobs. This is a push for police departments to hire immigrants to "reflect the local populace" as supposedly one article states "American" police fail to understand a Muslim woman may not open the door right away due to putting on her hijab. I guess we Americans are too barbaric to wait a few moments, and need peaceful refugees that are more understanding of their cultural needs, since after the first knock we must bust down the door I guess. SO.....
How do you feel about about non US citizens having literal life and death authority over you?

4)It seems, as stated above, this is a policy of many police departments to hire non US citizens into positions of power and ultimate authority over the American public.
Point of discussion....How glad are you, that the administration under which policies like this came to life, did not get their wish, and have their chosen successor elected, a successor that wanted to bring 500,000 + more refugees, potentially having many more non US citizen police forces patrolling our streets. (Mind, not immigrants that acquired citizenship. These are non US citizens altogether.)

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References

The Case.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-minnesota-police-shooting-idUSKBN1A41WE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4708018/Cop-shot-bride-broke-bodycam-rules.html
Example of MSM outlet entirely avoiding any mention of the police officer in question race.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/australian-shot-dead-minneapolis-officer-called-911-twice-n784576
Articles dealing with the hiring push by Police departments to hire non US citizens, immigrants over actual citizens to "better match" the populace.
http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-s-somali-outreach-gets-national-attention/290017061/
https://apnews.com/dcc3e0d76f28401f97cd892db1676875/officer-and-refugee-new-policeman-straddles-worlds
https://thinkprogress.org/cities-are-hiring-non-citizen-immigrants-as-police-officers-5e0c85360cd

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My answers.
1-I think this shows both intent and a lack of control or enforcement of policies by administration, making the policies no more than lip service. And the lack of oversight IMHO is worse.
2-IMHO of course the BLM has an agenda, and only cares about police brutality insofar as it advances that agenda. And yes, I think if the Australian Prime minister didn't make a stink publicly, this would be a non story as it does not advance the narrative being pushed by the mainstream media. Which is why the race of the officer, often referenced otherwise, is absent. Thus, passive deception.
3-It is worrying that refugees, and other non US citizen personnel, have life and death authority over myself and my fellow citizens, especially considering how poor oversight over police forces often are. I already am uneasy with US police forces. To know we are giving this type of authority to NON US citizens, is well, upsetting to say the least. Especially considering how there is no shortage of US citizens that want jobs in the police.
4-I am OH SO GLAD we didn't elect the crowned successor. This makes me even happier she lost.
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Pics of the officer in question and the woman shot dead in her car.

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Pic of the bodycam that was supposed to be on before interacting at all with the caller.
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Bonus..
Pride: This picture dates from 2015 and shows Officer Noor being inducted into the Somali American Police Association
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We have so many Non US Citizens from Somali alone serving in our police forces we have a Somali Police Association. Let that sink in.
I anticipate a lot of hate and accusations of -isms in response, but....
Let the discussion begin.

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[Katganistan]

In which article did it state that Noor is not a citizen? I read the ones provided, and googled others. He is nowhere referred to as a non-citizen.

So, conclusions leapt to?

Since the OP did not answer this, and has repeatedit.

WHERE DOES IT STATE HE IS NOT A US CITIZEN?

[Pope Joan]

More violence by a Somali in Minneapolis.

This one just happened to be wearing a badge.

I know how this opinion is going to come across, and I have never before singled out any one particular group, but I have friends in Kenya who have suffered from the Somalis, and they seem like an unpleasant element to introduce into any community.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /91099690/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/africa/so ... index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/f ... lence.html

[Catochristoferson]

It should be clear that simply switching the races around will not fix the nature of the police force itself.

[Cetacea]

More violence by a Somali in Minneapolis.

This one just happened to be wearing a badge.

I know how this opinion is going to come across, and I have never before singled out any one particular group, but I have friends in Kenya who have suffered from the Somalis, and they seem like an unpleasant element to introduce into any community.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /91099690/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/africa/so ... index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/f ... lence.html

Yeah, I know there's been particular difficulty with Somali refugees integrating in many new communities but I do wonder if it can be put down to being a feature of Somali culture or whether it should better be tied to the Refugee trauma coming out of the civil war into a new culture with a significant language barrier, racism and poverty/social deprivation.

[Yortium Allanstan]

More violence by a Somali in Minneapolis.

This one just happened to be wearing a badge.

I know how this opinion is going to come across, and I have never before singled out any one particular group, but I have friends in Kenya who have suffered from the Somalis, and they seem like an unpleasant element to introduce into any community.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /91099690/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/africa/so ... index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/f ... lence.html

So all Somalis are criminals?

[Bakery Hill]

More violence by a Somali in Minneapolis.

This one just happened to be wearing a badge.

I know how this opinion is going to come across, and I have never before singled out any one particular group, but I have friends in Kenya who have suffered from the Somalis, and they seem like an unpleasant element to introduce into any community.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /91099690/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/africa/so ... index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/f ... lence.html

This is a stupid and irrational opinion, and a surprising one to hear from you.

[Ifreann]

Usually when people aren't racist against anyone except one group of people the exception is the Welsh.

[Nulla Bellum]

As a fan of individual justice rather than social justice, whatever the BLM movement and the KKK think of this shooting is profoundly irrelevant to me. Try the facts of the case. One victim, one shooter, and a whole hell of a lot of people that weren't there making noise.