China bans religion for it's 90 million party members

[Genivaria]

He stands for the foot smashing on the face of man forever. It's not weird at all when you look at it that way.

I don't think this quite compares to "the foot smashing on the face of man forever" (whatever the hell that even is) but to each his own I guess.

1984 reference.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."
— O'Brien

[USS Monitor]

"The Chinese government banned religion for all members of the Communist Party of China, and threatened to punish those who show any support for religion."
"Party members should be firm Marxist atheists, obey Party rules and stick to the Party’s faith"

So which is it?

The party's "faith" is a political ideology, not a religion.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

I don't think this quite compares to "the foot smashing on the face of man forever" (whatever the hell that even is) but to each his own I guess.

1984 reference.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."
— O'Brien

I read the book and still don't remember that. Thanks.

"The Chinese government banned religion for all members of the Communist Party of China, and threatened to punish those who show any support for religion."
"Party members should be firm Marxist atheists, obey Party rules and stick to the Party’s faith"

So which is it?

Atheism =/= organised religion

[United Muscovite Nations]

I know and this is weird.

I'm the anti-theist defending the rights of the religious against a theocrat who wants to enforce atheism.

Wat.

He stands for the foot smashing on the face of man forever. It's not weird at all when you look at it that way.

I'm for the rights of explicitly ideological organizations to restrict membership to people who agree with them.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

This is about as amusing as the time they banned reincarnation without government approval.

[Genivaria]

1984 reference.

I read the book and still don't remember that. Thanks.

"The Chinese government banned religion for all members of the Communist Party of China, and threatened to punish those who show any support for religion."
"Party members should be firm Marxist atheists, obey Party rules and stick to the Party’s faith"

So which is it?

Atheism =/= organised religion

I haven't read the book because I know it would depress the shit out of me.

[Benuty]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping ... m#Policies

For reference on their policies.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

I read the book and still don't remember that. Thanks.
Atheism =/= organised religion

I haven't read the book because I know it would depress the shit out of me.

If you read Animal Farm it's the same thing but somewhat more humours and a lot easier to get through.

[Belle Ilse en Terre]

Well i don't see really the point of it, because most people are turning towards Atheism, like the Netherlands now where more people are becoming Atheist, and almost all Czechs are Atheist. So i say, let the religion slowly die by itself, the government can't ban them and force all the people to be Atheist

Atheism is actually declining in China.

Hopefully party membership is too.

So,the Chinese are getting closer to nineteen eighty four. They do not care about the 'proles', but on the intellectuals, who are party members. Thoughts on that?

[Genivaria]

This is about as amusing as the time they banned reincarnation without government approval.

Oh yeah.....that happened.
Forgot about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Rel ... rder_No._5

[Vivida Vis Animi]

This is about as amusing as the time they banned reincarnation without government approval.

Oh yeah.....that happened.
Forgot about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Rel ... rder_No._5

Something something Dalai Lama something something Free Tibet

[Genivaria]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom#Policies

For reference on their policies.

Foot binding was banned.

Well they did one thing right at least.

[Benuty]

This is about as amusing as the time they banned reincarnation without government approval.

Oh yeah.....that happened.
Forgot about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Rel ... rder_No._5

They also kidnapped the panchen lama who at the time was a 6 year old boy.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I'm only using Christians since I know UMN is a devout Christian

So are you saying they didn't have a chance in the first place? If so then why even mention it? If not then what does it matter if he's a Christian?

It's a problem for all religious communists, is my point

[Vivida Vis Animi]

Oh yeah.....that happened.
Forgot about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Rel ... rder_No._5

They also kidnapped the panchen lama who at the time was a 6 year old boy.

Pff, that was just aggressive babysitting.

[Hansdeltania]

I see no problem with this.

In fact, it's doing China a good thing.

[Infected Mushroom]

Good. I like it when religion is discouraged. I think it has a negative influence over the world. I like to see it reduced.

As if that ever really works, and it is absurd to think otherwise.

well the communist party has moral authority in China, so it follows that if it declares something immoral, it will have at least some effect on the perceived legitimacy of what they declaim

they have very little power here but in China, they are like Moses to many people

[Benuty]

They also kidnapped the panchen lama who at the time was a 6 year old boy.

Pff, that was just aggressive babysitting.

They did it so that he would be forced to find their choice of the next Dalai Lama. It also disrupts the Dalai Lamas attempts to find the next Panchen Lama. It screws over the system in theory at least.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

So are you saying they didn't have a chance in the first place? If so then why even mention it? If not then what does it matter if he's a Christian?

It's a problem for all religious communists, is my point

Not necessarily, especially if it's true that the Chinese folk religions are exempt (I think someone said that earlier in this thread), a demographic that's massively larger in comparison to Christianity.

[USS Monitor]

Atheism is actually declining in China.

Hopefully party membership is too.

So,the Chinese are getting closer to nineteen eighty four. They do not care about the 'proles', but on the intellectuals, who are party members. Thoughts on that?

Party membership is less important now than it was in the 1990s, but where they are backsliding on so many other things, it would not surprise me if they start making party membership important again.

[Benuty]

I see no problem with this.

In fact, it's doing China a good thing.

If they are incapable of crushing house churches clearly this will go just as bad.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

Pff, that was just aggressive babysitting.

They did it so that he would be forced to find their choice of the next Dalai Lama. It also disrupts the Dalai Lamas attempts to find the next Panchen Lama. It screws over the system in theory at least.

I know, just joking around

[USS Monitor]

As if that ever really works, and it is absurd to think otherwise.

well the communist party has moral authority in China, so it follows that if it declares something immoral, it will have at least some effect on the perceived legitimacy of what they declaim

they have very little power here but in China, they are like Moses to many people

This isn't going to stop religious people in China from being religious.

[Polish Theocracy of Joakim]

Communist China is Communist, what do you expect?

[Infected Mushroom]

well the communist party has moral authority in China, so it follows that if it declares something immoral, it will have at least some effect on the perceived legitimacy of what they declaim

they have very little power here but in China, they are like Moses to many people

This isn't going to stop religious people in China from being religious.

not all of them but hopefully, some of them will go... "Well if the government says so... then they are probably right." And then they say bye bye to God.