North American Unification

[Arpeggian Republic]

It might work, however a long and ardous process of overhauling each respective nation's constitution to accommodate the other two before merging would have to happen.

I have a rough draft of that in my dispatch section

[The Sauganash Union]

Would anyone benefit from this? Not including people whose only concern is what political maps look like.

Free trade, free movement, single set of goverment regulations, single currency. All the reasons one would support a unified earth government or a larger roLe for the EU.

None of these are inherently good, unless your objective is massive inequality.

[Valrifell]

But that would totally solve the illegal immigration issue!

No it wouldn't. It was just make all of Mexico's problems even more of an American problem, and also it wouldn't eliminate illegal immigration from Asia or Central America.

Nobody's as concerned with Asian illegal immigration, mostly because there's inherently less of it. Because of the ocean in the way.

[Montchevre]

I would love unification to be an eventual goal. However, the process would (and should) takes decades. Far sooner than anything else, we should start talks with Canada about unification, as culturally and economically they are far more similar to us than Mexico is. Think of it as a practice run that will be far easier. Once a US-Canada superstate exists, and Mexico agrees to unification, I think we should start absorbing it state by state so that there is time for the far more difficult process of cultural and economic integration. We should spend years on each state. Eventually it will be done though, and all three countries would be better for it. I'm sure all the hyper-nationalist nutbags would scream bloody murder the whole time though. They're idiots anyway. Just frame it to them as the expansion of the US and who knows, maybe they'll buy it!

[Big Jim P]

It might work, however a long and arduous process of overhauling each respective nation's constitution to accommodate the other two before merging would have to happen.

It would be easier if the other two countries adopted the US Constitution and just became states 51-55 or so.

10 states for Mexico and I think about a dozen provinces for Canada. 60-72 new states.

We're gonna need a bigger flag.

[Pasong Tirad]

No it wouldn't. It was just make all of Mexico's problems even more of an American problem, and also it wouldn't eliminate illegal immigration from Asia or Central America.

Nobody's as concerned with Asian illegal immigration, mostly because there's inherently less of it. Because of the ocean in the way.

Doesn't stop Filipinos. One of them even won a Pulitzer for it.

He's kinda right, though. While making Mexicans and Americans have the same passport solves one problem, it's attacking the symptoms instead of the disease.

[The Sauganash Union]

No it wouldn't. It was just make all of Mexico's problems even more of an American problem, and also it wouldn't eliminate illegal immigration from Asia or Central America.

Nobody's as concerned with Asian illegal immigration, mostly because there's inherently less of it. Because of the ocean in the way.

Asian illegal immigration is a huge problem, and it is often tied to human trafficking and organized crime. It's only "less" of a problem because we're currently being swarmed on the southern border by Latin Americans and because the media likes to make it seem like Latinos are the only illegal immigrants.

[Montchevre]

Free trade, free movement, single set of goverment regulations, single currency. All the reasons one would support a unified earth government or a larger roLe for the EU.

None of these are inherently good, unless your objective is massive inequality.

How does equal regulation and opportunity over a broader expanse increase inequality? Also, you don't seem to really care based on your description.

[Valrifell]

Nobody's as concerned with Asian illegal immigration, mostly because there's inherently less of it. Because of the ocean in the way.

Doesn't stop Filipinos. One of them even won a Pulitzer for it.

He's kinda right, though. While making Mexicans and Americans have the same passport solves one problem, it's attacking the symptoms instead of the disease.

(Note: I'm not seriously advocating for annexation of Mexico, that post about solving illegal immigration was a joke more than anything)

[Ifreann]

I do believe it would be strongly unpopular by all three nations.

Indeed. We have three very distinctly different cultures. One of my big gripes about the EU is the homogenization of the various cultures of Europe.

Just last week Jean Claude Juncker came around and told me he'd beat me up if I didn't sing La Marseillaise. Luckily he was distracted by someone wearing a Premier League jersey and I got away.

[Argentinstan]

Unification will terrorize the economies of the three countries potentially dragging down the U.S.'s for example.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Only if Canada was supreme.

But anyway, no, it wouldn't work. There are too many differences between the states of NA.

[Arpeggian Republic]

No it wouldn't. It was just make all of Mexico's problems even more of an American problem, and also it wouldn't eliminate illegal immigration from Asia or Central America.

Nobody's as concerned with Asian illegal immigration, mostly because there's inherently less of it. Because of the ocean in the way.

But Mexico has a wall... on its southern border so I think we are good there

[The Sauganash Union]

None of these are inherently good, unless your objective is massive inequality.

How does equal regulation and opportunity over a broader expanse increase inequality?

Because you're applying the same regulation to rather different economies. And why would opportunity expand? Do you even know what that means or does it just sound nice?

Free trade, freedom of movement, and single currencies over vastly different areas lead to the stagnation of wages, unsustainable movement, outsourcing, and a concentration of wealth towards the top. Really only very rich people and manufacturers benefit from this.

[Montchevre]

Nobody's as concerned with Asian illegal immigration, mostly because there's inherently less of it. Because of the ocean in the way.

Doesn't stop Filipinos. One of them even won a Pulitzer for it.

He's kinda right, though. While making Mexicans and Americans have the same passport solves one problem, it's attacking the symptoms instead of the disease.

But the disease is their lack of economic opportunity or security in their homes. If we put a lot of effort during integration into improving their police forces and local economies, they won't have any reason to head north. America will have come to them.

[The of Japan]

Doesn't stop Filipinos. One of them even won a Pulitzer for it.

He's kinda right, though. While making Mexicans and Americans have the same passport solves one problem, it's attacking the symptoms instead of the disease.

But the disease is their lack of economic opportunity or security in their homes. If we put a lot of effort during integration into improving their police forces and local economies, they won't have any reason to head north. America will have come to them.

like we have the money

[The Sauganash Union]

I would love unification to be an eventual goal. However, the process would (and should) takes decades. Far sooner than anything else, we should start talks with Canada about unification, as culturally and economically they are far more similar to us than Mexico is. Think of it as a practice run that will be far easier. Once a US-Canada superstate exists, and Mexico agrees to unification, I think we should start absorbing it state by state so that there is time for the far more difficult process of cultural and economic integration. We should spend years on each state. Eventually it will be done though, and all three countries would be better for it. I'm sure all the hyper-nationalist nutbags would scream bloody murder the whole time though. They're idiots anyway. Just frame it to them as the expansion of the US and who knows, maybe they'll buy it!

Yes, people are idiots if they oppose what amounts to imperialism against Mexico and economic and cultural destruction in America.

[Arpeggian Republic]

I'd rather not piss the world off with this thank you.

But, but, MURICA ON STEROIDS!! (Joking)

[Polish Theocracy of Joakim]

Ever heard the story of Yugoslavia?

Basically, it was a bunch of different cultures in one nation. When their leader died they all killed each other and became the mess of Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro, FYROM and Slovenia it is today. All of those nations practically have the "Press here to destroy country X" button right on the leader's desk of each country.

North America uniting would just cause even more Tribalism between a already divided continent, especially in Central America. Heck, Canada and the USA might even despise each other years later.

[Valrifell]

But the disease is their lack of economic opportunity or security in their homes. If we put a lot of effort during integration into improving their police forces and local economies, they won't have any reason to head north. America will have come to them.

like we have the money

You act as if the Untied States isn't the wealthiest nation in the history of ever.

[Grinning Dragon]

It would be easier if the other two countries adopted the US Constitution and just became states 51-55 or so.

10 states for Mexico and I think about a dozen provinces for Canada. 60-72 new states.

We're gonna need a bigger flag.

Or increase the star field square size and make the stripes a wee bit shorter in length, or all flags sold from then on, are going to have to be 50 footers and stronger flag poles will be required.

[The Sauganash Union]

Doesn't stop Filipinos. One of them even won a Pulitzer for it.

He's kinda right, though. While making Mexicans and Americans have the same passport solves one problem, it's attacking the symptoms instead of the disease.

But the disease is their lack of economic opportunity or security in their homes. If we put a lot of effort during integration into improving their police forces and local economies, they won't have any reason to head north. America will have come to them.

They're not our problem. We have an infrastructure crisis here and you want to build up countries that barely have infrastructure at a 1st world level.

[Pasong Tirad]

Doesn't stop Filipinos. One of them even won a Pulitzer for it.

He's kinda right, though. While making Mexicans and Americans have the same passport solves one problem, it's attacking the symptoms instead of the disease.

But the disease is their lack of economic opportunity or security in their homes. If we put a lot of effort during integration into improving their police forces and local economies, they won't have any reason to head north. America will have come to them.

Then it sounds like a Mexican problem.

Hey look I'm very pro-immigration and everything (integration > assimilation) because I know America can handle it but on the other side of the coin it leaves Mexico drained. Families are split by the border, labor pools decrease and the Mexican economy would have to rely more on remittances from overseas workers than from actual money being made within the country.

[The Sauganash Union]

like we have the money

You act as if the Untied States isn't the wealthiest nation in the history of ever.

Yeah, it's because most of the world is dirt poor, not because the United States is just made of gold.

[Valrifell]

You act as if the Untied States isn't the wealthiest nation in the history of ever.

Yeah, it's because most of the world is dirt poor, not because the United States is just made of gold.

No, no, not just the world.

The history of ever.