North American Unification

[Nordengrund]

I suggest we return the U.S. and Canada to the U.K. and cede Mexico back to Spain.

[Thermodolia]

1.Maybe it's because they're the largest country on the continent? 2.And that they've tried to invade Canada before (war of 1812) and Mexico? 3.A North American union would basically be Manifest Destiny 2.0. No thank you.

1. Some Canadians apparently don't understand their own geography...
2. We basically lost 1812, and Mexico/Texas/US was inevitable
3. No it wouldn't

Well you might not like it to Manifest Destiny 2.0 but I would.

[Katganistan]

It's always been Eastasia, you Goldstein reading thought criminal.

Next thing you know they're gonna be saying 2+2=4.

War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery

[Zottistan]

The United States alone is politically, socially, geographically and even racially divided enough that north American unification is clearly a terrible idea. Countries that large and populous don't work, especially when they're representative democracies. Keeping everybody happy becomes an impossibility and administration becomes a complete nightmare.

EDIT: unification works best when you're uniting several states that exist within a nation, i.e. uniting Italian states into Italy or north German states into Germany. They already had a common identity as members of these nations. There is no North American nation, and if there was Mexico definitely would not be a part of it.

[Kanadorika]

No. Let's focus on the important things instead. Like bringing back Prussia and the Kaiser.

[Ifreann]

No. Let's focus on the important things instead. Like bringing back Prussia and the Kaiser.

Angela Merkel is your Kaiserin now.

[Sovaal]

I suggest we return the U.S. and Canada to the U.K. and cede Mexico back to Spain.

Hahaha, no.

[Rio Cana]

Uniting all of North America into one country is a bad idea due to huge contrasts in the cultures. That is not to say, however, that the idea of multi-national cooperation is a bad thing.

By huge contrasts in the culture do you mean this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uus_rs_KJWI

[Minoa]

Uniting all of North America into one country is a bad idea due to huge contrasts in the cultures. That is not to say, however, that the idea of multi-national cooperation is a bad thing.

By huge contrasts in the culture do you mean this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uus_rs_KJWI

No, it is cultural identity. The simplest examples are the heritage, language and cuisine.

[Ethel mermania]

Next thing you know they're gonna be saying 2+2=4.

War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery

lite beer is beer

[Sovaal]

War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery

lite beer is beer

Piss is water.

[Thermodolia]

War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Freedom is Slavery

lite beer is beer

Miller lite is good though

[Liberated Territories]

I'm more for extreme decentralization than unification, personally. Whether it is a Free Quebec, Republic of Texas or State of Jefferson.

[Grand Britannia]

Yeah I sure want open borders with Mexican cartels.

[Struberria]

i've never really though abound a North American unification, we should be called CanAmericExico if we do

[Shofercia]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse... what do you guys think? Should the continent unite as Arpeggio?

Can the US just unite with Canada? We'll do it for the Healthcare alone!

[Arkinesia]

Yes, they should unite, would force the US to have universal proper multipayer at the very least, not to mention it would have hugely beneficial economic effects thanks to the positive knock-on of the huge burst in growth that would occur.

Yeah I sure want open borders with Mexican cartels.

We'll borrow legal pot while we're at it to take care of that issue.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse... what do you guys think? Should the continent unite as Arpeggio?

I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???

Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse... what do you guys think? Should the continent unite as Arpeggio?

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USA:

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People reporting ancestry, 2015 American community survey, part of the US census information:

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tab ... Type=table

People reporting single ancestry.

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People reporting multiple ancestry:

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Canada 2011 population Links:

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2017: http://www.worldometers.info/world-popu ... opulation/

2017: http://worldpopulationreview.com/countr ... opulation/
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Mexico population links:

2017: http://www.worldometers.info/world-popu ... opulation/

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Mexico Wikipedia Demographics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico#Demographics

[Qashistan]

The United States alone is politically, socially, geographically and even racially divided enough that north American unification is clearly a terrible idea. Countries that large and populous don't work, especially when they're representative democracies. Keeping everybody happy becomes an impossibility and administration becomes a complete nightmare.

EDIT: unification works best when you're uniting several states that exist within a nation, i.e. uniting Italian states into Italy or north German states into Germany. They already had a common identity as members of these nations. There is no North American nation, and if there was Mexico definitely would not be a part of it.

Exactly. While Canada and the US could hypothetically unite with few difficulties, a nation such as Mexico would not fit smoothly (even roughly would be charitable) into such a union.

[Eastern Denmark]

I think if USA dissolved completely, Mexico and Canada could split it and theoretically unify to the point of 2 nations instead of 3, but 1 combined state? I'd say impossible. At the end of every single US election (that I recall) either california or Texas have threatened with secession (depending on which party won) and frankly, I'd be surprised if there werent major movements for dismantling the country into 5 to 10 state chunks. That's just my opinion though

[Michael Johnathan]

We should have taken all of Mexico when we had the chance. Now it's implausible.

[New Rogernomics]

I doubt Canadians would want to have to live with Americans all year.

[Michael Johnathan]

I doubt Canadians would want to have to live with Americans all year.

According to Cubans, Canadian tourists are just as bad. So perhaps we're not so different after all.

[Olerand]

North America also covers Central America.

And why would Canada and Mexico (especially Canada, who is doing better in many respects) want to be annexed by the United States?

[Liberated Territories]

I'd like to see the complete opposite: a massive break-up of North America on par with that of Europe, preserving the local intricacies of each nation, and more importantly, giving people more of a choice in how their government is run. So we could have a liberal, techie Californian Republic, a conservative Republic of Jefferson north of it, a libertarian Republic of New Hampshire, etc.

Edit: >when you post in a thread and then forget about it