North American Unification

[Nickle Empire]

Why do we assume this new nation would be a republic? I am quite happy having a monarch.

Because most countries in North America have a Republican form of government.

Then I won't be able to support this unification then.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

Because most countries in North America have a Republican form of government.

Then I won't be able to support this unification then.

So you wouldnt support it over a figurehead of the Commonwealth nations?

[Polish Theocracy of Joakim]

Why do we assume this new nation would be a republic? I am quite happy having a monarch.

Well.. the only way we'd be able to unite the whole North America is through war, and Republics usually don't declare war on other Republics. Even when they do they usually aren't for matters of Imperialism.

[Sovaal]

Because most countries in North America have a Republican form of government.

Then I won't be able to support this unification then.

Well no unification will likely happen for, well, any length of time, so alright.

[Nickel Empire]

Then I won't be able to support this unification then.

So you wouldnt support it over a figurehead of the Commonwealth nations?

Yes, though it isn't my main reason for not supporting unification.

[Ifreann]

Most Americans don't vote at all.

Only 7 Million Americans didn't vote in the most recent election

There were 136,669,237 votes cast out of an estimated 250,055,734 people of voting age.

That's 113,386,497 people who didn't vote. Over 113 million. Not 7 million.

[Sovaal]

Why do we assume this new nation would be a republic? I am quite happy having a monarch.

Well.. the only way we'd be able to unite the whole North America is through war, and Republics usually don't declare war on other Republics. Even when they do they usually aren't for matters of Imperialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_between_democracies#18th_century
Not as common, but still happens.

[Kivhala]

All of these nations are democracies. They would be one if united, if united the Americans would have the most power and therefore able to subjugate everyone else in this little united monstrosity, if it ever happened. As well many Mexicans (and Canadians also Americans) would rather be their own country, I sure as hell would. These countries don't want to inherit the problems of their neighbors (though America destroys and helps cartels since freedom). They also don't want to be overly diversified (save the Canadians being diverse is their lifestyle). By this I mean giant swathes of land which are clearly defined by the people in them don't want half or more of their country to be different. That was a major contributor to the American Civil War (that and states' rights since confederacies work of course), it would also cause the same hate from back then. Maybe there would be the North American Civil War after that.

Oh also Canada has other ties in diplomacy, so does the USA and Mexico, they all also have multiple trade partners. So why would they combine.

[New Grestin]

There is no "whenever a war breaks out", we have always been at war with Eastasia.

What do you mean? We've always been at war with Eurasia.

It's always been Eastasia, you Goldstein reading thought criminal.

[Sovaal]

What do you mean? We've always been at war with Eurasia.

It's always been Eastasia, you Goldstein reading thought criminal.

What are you talking about, the last hate rally said it was Eastasia.

[Great Karoo]

Absolutely not. Uniting three countries with three different political systems, cultures, and issues is an absolutely proposterous idea and it would never work. I'm happy being Canadian, not American, as the US would undoubtedly control basically every aspect of such a "union". Might as well have the US annex Canada and Mexico.

[New haven america]

Absolutely not. Uniting three countries with three different political systems, cultures, and issues is an absolutely proposterous idea and it would never work. I'm happy being Canadian, not American, as the US would undoubtedly control basically every aspect of such a "union". Might as well have the US annex Canada and Mexico.

How would it control everything though.

As stated before: Canadian poster, why do you always assume the US would take control of everything, set up the US' systems, run off the US' government, etc...? (Also, why do you almost always leave the "US would control everything" vague, you almost never give details on how this could happen) A lot of Americans don't like the current US, so...

Oh, btw, might wanna shorten your sig. (The limit's about 8 or so lines)

[Vedastia]

All of North America would be under the control of the United States, particularly if Aaron Burr hadn't been as shifty as he was. Shortly after the Revolution would have been the time when unification of all nations involved in this situation would have been feasible.

Currently, all three nations are too different culturally, politically, and in terms of interests to be unified under one government. If anything, they should be broken up into smaller countries because those reasons currently apply to each of them.

[Saint-Thor]

My fellow Canadians are afraid of losing their sovereignty and to not feel justly represented if they were to unite with bigger than them. How interesting.

[Great Karoo]

Absolutely not. Uniting three countries with three different political systems, cultures, and issues is an absolutely proposterous idea and it would never work. I'm happy being Canadian, not American, as the US would undoubtedly control basically every aspect of such a "union". Might as well have the US annex Canada and Mexico.

How would it control everything though.

As stated before: Canadian poster, why do you always assume the US would take control of everything, set up the US' systems, run off the US' government, etc...? (Also, why do you almost always leave the "US would control everything" vague, you almost never give details on how this could happen) A lot of Americans don't like the current US, so...

Maybe it's because they're the largest country on the continent? And that they've tried to invade Canada before (war of 1812) and Mexico? A North American union would basically be Manifest Destiny 2.0. No thank you.

[New haven america]

How would it control everything though.

As stated before: Canadian poster, why do you always assume the US would take control of everything, set up the US' systems, run off the US' government, etc...? (Also, why do you almost always leave the "US would control everything" vague, you almost never give details on how this could happen) A lot of Americans don't like the current US, so...

1.Maybe it's because they're the largest country on the continent? 2.And that they've tried to invade Canada before (war of 1812) and Mexico? 3.A North American union would basically be Manifest Destiny 2.0. No thank you.

1. Some Canadians apparently don't understand their own geography...
2. We basically lost 1812, and Mexico/Texas/US was inevitable
3. No it wouldn't

[Great Karoo]

1.Maybe it's because they're the largest country on the continent? 2.And that they've tried to invade Canada before (war of 1812) and Mexico? 3.A North American union would basically be Manifest Destiny 2.0. No thank you.

1. Some Canadians apparently don't understand their own geography...
2. We basically lost 1812, and Mexico/Texas/US was inevitable
3. No it wouldn't

1. I meant by population.
2. "We" didn't. The War of 1812 was started because the US wanted to invade what is now Canada. They failed. The War of 1812 was a loss for the US.

[New haven america]

1. Some Canadians apparently don't understand their own geography...
2. We basically lost 1812, and Mexico/Texas/US was inevitable
3. No it wouldn't

1. I meant by population.
2. "We" didn't. The War of 1812 was started because the US wanted to invade what is now Canada. They failed. The War of 1812 was a loss for the US.

1. Then you should've specified, specification is important.
2. I'm not Canadian, the "We" in that context applied to me and my fellow Americans. Also, it was technically a tie, so yeah... (Which is why I said "basically lost" instead of "lost")

Also, about the Manifest Destiny 2.0 comment, I supposed you also know of Canada's rather sketchy history with your Native Americans...

[Nulla Bellum]

It's always been Eastasia, you Goldstein reading thought criminal.

What are you talking about, the last hate rally said it was Eastasia.

The rats in Room 13 would like to see you.

[Minoa]

Uniting all of North America into one country is a bad idea due to huge contrasts in the cultures. That is not to say, however, that the idea of multi-national cooperation is a bad thing.

[New haven america]

What do you mean? We've always been at war with Eurasia.

It's always been Eastasia, you Goldstein reading thought criminal.

Next thing you know they're gonna be saying 2+2=4.

[Minoa]

It's always been Eastasia, you Goldstein reading thought criminal.

Next thing you know they're gonna be saying 2+2=4.

It seems everything evokes Orwell comparisons: a potential new rule of the Internet?

[Sovaal]

Next thing you know they're gonna be saying 2+2=4.

It seems everything evokes Orwell comparisons: a potential new rule of the Internet?

Well that whole comment chain was in regards to 1984.

[Katganistan]

Why is it that every six months we get another one of these stupid "We should make all of North America one nation" threads?

It was a dumb idea 6 months ago, a dumb idea 1 year ago a dumb idea 2 years ago, and it'll be a dumb idea 1 year from now.

And now we got people talking about Asian Unification.

This is what happens when you have some folks who think culture (that is not theirs) is unimportant.

[Katganistan]

1. Some Canadians apparently don't understand their own geography...
2. We basically lost 1812, and Mexico/Texas/US was inevitable
3. No it wouldn't

1. I meant by population.
2. "We" didn't. The War of 1812 was started because the US wanted to invade what is now Canada. They failed. The War of 1812 was a loss for the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aue-zWxYtEc