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Should the Continent Unite?

1. Yes
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2. No
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3. Cheese it
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:56 am

Valrifell wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Burning the White House was a pretty epic "fuck you" though. We need a war of vengeance! :D


Burn the ... wherever the Canadian PM lives!

We didn't make where are PM works where they live, so that wouldn't do much. :P

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:59 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Burn the ... wherever the Canadian PM lives!

We didn't make where are PM works where they live, so that wouldn't do much. :P


Fine, then, we'll just burn the whole parliament building down! REVENGE!
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:01 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Central Americans from crime-ridden corrupt hellholes would still want in, so we'd have to unify with those next :p


On the bright side the border wall will be a lot cheaper to build


Lol, I second this post.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:03 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:We didn't make where are PM works where they live, so that wouldn't do much. :P


Fine, then, we'll just burn the whole parliament building down! REVENGE!


Then couldn't we just use the Ontario parliament in the meantime? :P

Also, you don't want to pissoff the Netherlands, do you? They had a princess born there.

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Postby The Widening Gyre » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:05 am

Arpeggian Republic wrote:I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms.


Here in Canada the majority of illegal guns and probably a hefty portion of hard drugs come from the States. We clearly need a border wall of our own to secure our great country from the failed state to the south, not open our borders to them.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:07 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Maybe a union between US and Canada might work, but currently only Saskatchewan wants it


A union between the US and Canada is certainly more feasible. We're both of British colonial origins, have a long history of peace and cooperation, speak the same language*, and are at similar levels of economic development.

It would not be ideal, but it could work out in the long-run. Incorporating British Columbia would probably be bad news for Washington State, though, as Vancouver would essentially overtake Seattle.

Western Canada is probably the most similar to the United States and could be annexed more or less seamlessly. Ontario would give us complete control of the Great Lakes, although I wonder what economic effects Toronto would have on Buffalo, Detroit, Rochester, and Cleveland.

The Martimes are poor, however, and it would be a pain to subsidize them.

*Quebec could not be part of this however.


lol, I second this post.: "*Quebec could not be part of this however" a friend of mine on the LCN will love this part of the post.
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Postby Computer Lab » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:08 am

Deian salazar wrote:SA should unite besides Brazil. GRAN COLOMBIA WILL RISE AGAIN :p !


If Bolivar couldn't pull it off I don't think anybody can.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:11 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Fine, then, we'll just burn the whole parliament building down! REVENGE!


Then couldn't we just use the Ontario parliament in the meantime? :P


Dammit, it's not supposed to be effective, it's supposed to be making a statement. Like the original burning of the White House and how that failed to really affect much :P
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:12 am

Valrifell wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Then couldn't we just use the Ontario parliament in the meantime? :P


Dammit, it's not supposed to be effective, it's supposed to be making a statement. Like the original burning of the White House and how that failed to really affect much :P

before that we burned parliament at York (modern day Toronto) in 1813
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:12 am

Deian salazar wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:
If Bolivar couldn't pull it off I don't think anybody can.

Easy: Napoleon or Nobunaga Oda. Or Saddam.


I do favor a union of soverign Hispanic, nations, including Puerto Rico, perhaps with Brazil similar to the EU, but with control over immigration.
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:15 am

Deian salazar wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
I do favor a union of soverign Hispanic nations perhaps with Brazil similar to the EU, but with control over immigration.

That sounds reasonable.

Hispanic doesn't include south America, nor portugeese.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:17 am

The of Japan wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Dammit, it's not supposed to be effective, it's supposed to be making a statement. Like the original burning of the White House and how that failed to really affect much :P

before that we burned parliament at York (modern day Toronto) in 1813


I'm confused, the British named two colonial towns after York? Why does everyone love the Duke of York so much?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:19 am

The of Japan wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:That sounds reasonable.

Hispanic doesn't include south America, nor portugeese.


I strongly disagree, as a native Cuban and American citizen, the hispanic south American nations are hispanic for abvious reasons they speak Spanish, Brazil speaks Portugeese and is considered a latin nation, that is why I posted perhaps with Brazil.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:23 am

Nope, too much cultural and political differences.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:24 am

The US annexing Canada however, would allow American banks to rip Canadian ones to pieces and I could open up a branch office in Toronto.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:28 am

The of Japan wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:That sounds reasonable.

Hispanic doesn't include south America, nor portugeese.

Yes, it does.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

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Postby Computer Lab » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:38 am

Deian salazar wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:
If Bolivar couldn't pull it off I don't think anybody can.

Easy: Napoleon or Nobunaga Oda. Or Saddam.


First of all, those people are all dead. Second of all, Bolivar was both in positions of power throughout most of SA and well-liked by the populace and he still failed.
Maybe if you had someone show up with Bolivar's popularity and political power at his peak he could pull it off now, since some of the problems caused by the geography of the region would be fixed by modern communication technology, but even that is a stretch.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:42 am

Arpeggian Republic wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
" why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall?"

" think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse..

" "because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead"

lol, it Sounds like a Liberal and a Leftist dream of open borders come true. We had a similar thread on this awhile back, about a month a go that suggested all of North America, Central and South America, the USA, Canada, and Latin America unite, lol.


I'm conservative actually lol, but...what we are doing right now isn't helping anything, we aren't fixing our problems we are just putting a lot of hope and duck tape over them and pray that it fixes everything. I want a greater unified America, a stronger America than what we've got, I believe an Arpeggian Republic will solve a lot of issues, but of course it will also create new ones. I believe people should be armed, but a continental republic is too big to allow individual gun ownership, which a militia creates a team, a brotherhood of people who can work together to protect our continent. We need a serious reform of our government or we will continue down the road of instability and decline.


lol, my fellow conservative friend. Your post dosent sound conservative, but I will take your word for it, that you are a fellow conservative. In Cuba only the Cuban government can own guns, it reminds me of the original movies the Magnificient 7 and the Return of the Magnificient 7, in Texas only Texans can rob banks.

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Postby Arpeggian Republic » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:10 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Arpeggian Republic wrote:
I'm conservative actually lol, but...what we are doing right now isn't helping anything, we aren't fixing our problems we are just putting a lot of hope and duck tape over them and pray that it fixes everything. I want a greater unified America, a stronger America than what we've got, I believe an Arpeggian Republic will solve a lot of issues, but of course it will also create new ones. I believe people should be armed, but a continental republic is too big to allow individual gun ownership, which a militia creates a team, a brotherhood of people who can work together to protect our continent. We need a serious reform of our government or we will continue down the road of instability and decline.


lol, my fellow conservative friend. Your post dosent sound conservative, but I will take your word for it, that you are a fellow conservative. In Cuba only the Cuban government can own guns, it reminds me of the original movies the Magnificient 7 and the Return of the Magnificient 7, in Texas only Texans can rob banks.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear ... 44c27d1a83


Why do you say that? Is it because of the left version of this the North American union? If that's the case I just want to say I don't support a bureaucratic union like the EU, because like the EU, it will fail. A republic is much more stable.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:02 pm

No! I'm opposed to this with one exception. I'll only support it if the USA rules all of North America
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:Would anyone benefit from this? Not including people whose only concern is what political maps look like.

Nope.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:No! I'm opposed to this with one exception. I'll only support it if the USA rules all of North America


I think we should give it all to Costa Rica.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:07 pm

As a Canadian, I do not want my country to lose its identity and independence to the Americans. It is bad enough having to deal with a deluge of American content on our airwaves, I do not want to deal with American politics more than I already do.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:13 pm

Waldriech wrote:As an American, I would support Annexation of Alberta, British Columbia, and Yukon to make the US contiguous -Hawaii but the rest of Canada and all the Mexican shit is useless.


Learn Brazilian Portuguese. After all, many so called US companies and brands are really owned by Brazilians. Brazil buying up the US piece by piece.

Most of the American acquisitions by Brazilian companies have centered mostly on large-scale industries, such as beer, meatpacking, fast-food, oil and chemicals.

Yes, even Kraft and Heinz are now owned by 3G Brazil. Even Tim Hortons Canada is owned by them. Read this on other US companies owned by them - http://brazilandusbiz.com/american-comp ... razilians/

The Brazilianisation of the US started in 1947 when this catchy song was heard in a popular US movie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jhExQNbyoU :o :lol:

An American who was assimilated into Brazilian culture - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mc0N4vX3lM

Read this on 50 companies from Brazil setting up in Florida - http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/ca ... story.html
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Postby The Snazzylands » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:30 pm

Mexicans don't want Americans to own them, Americans don't want a third of their country to be filled with Mexicans, and Canadians don't want to be Americans, even if they're already indistinguishable from Minnesotans.
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